Swerving to break draft

[Wolf-M]

Swerving on the staight to block the draft is pretty annoying. The way I see it is If everyone is doing it, Fair enough, but if its just one player doing it than I loose respect for that driver who seems like they would rather win that enjoy a fun close race.

This move is definately "below the belt" so to speak.

Exactly. Swerving to the left/right on the straight seems to me so childish an act. What could the word "fool" better describe other than this very conduct? The fun part of racing is the constant thrill of overtaking and being overtaken, if your opponent drafts you you could do the same on the next straight. Moving side to side to break a draft is not only annoying, but is also extremely unsportsmanlike.

The fact that Hamilton got away with his weaving doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Touchstone - "fair game".

No self-respecting gentleman driver would do that.

 

[dsgerbc]

^ No self-respecting gentleman driver would take advantage of clearly unrealistic draft in GT5.

 

[White & Nerdy]

To me, draftbreaking isn't really "blocking" or "cheating" per se, so much as a newbie tactic. The swerving could slow you down enough to let the following car pass you anyway. On high-speed tracks it could easily upset the car.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Have you ever seen a real racer do such a thing in a real race?

I think people doing this are lame as hell.

I do it. It is part of racing. Let's flip this coin over for a second. If you are following me, how hard is it really for you to stay in my tracks? You can see every move that I make. So I am supposed to drive straight down the track, for you, so that you can have an easier time drafting in a straight line. I have zero interest in making it easy for you to pass me. Did you want to race or just drive around for fun. As soon as you keep score and call someone winner and someone 2nd place, every advantage is open to use.

By the way, last summer I drafted off of the fire truck down the straight away at Mid Ohio. There was a local yellow a few corners up the track (= no passing of other race cars in that section only) so I felt that on the straight, behind the fire truck was an appropriate thing to do for half a second on the way through.

 

[Mart[1001]]

Theres a big difference between 'swerving' left or right and 'moving' left or right

Beat me to it. There's a massive difference between swerving and moving and I understood the O/P to mean swerving as that's what he wrote. I often 'move' off line on a long straight if I have a car close enough to get a tow from me. I then always rear view and am often surprised to find that the other car hasn't followed me. I then stay off line but ensure I move back over in good time for the turn.

If the other car has followed me, I'll still stay over and again, move back on line in good time for the turn. The difference is, next lap I won't normally bother because the chasing driver has already proved his desire to draft me and so it's pointless.

Now what I suspect the O/P is refering to is, drivers that swerve left/right/left/right etc all the way down the straight. This is dangerous as hell in real life especially if the chasing driver tries to follow as his car is gonna be extra light in and out of that draft and loose as hell. Yea, it's a game but...one I prefer to drive as realistic as possible and people that 'swerve' around the track reguardless of the situation, wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a race track in real life.

 

[Wolf-M]

I do it. It is part of racing. Let's flip this coin over for a second. If you are following me, how hard is it really for you to stay in my tracks? You can see every move that I make. So I am supposed to drive straight down the track, for you, so that you can have an easier time drafting in a straight line. I have zero interest in making it easy for you to pass me. Did you want to race or just drive around for fun. As soon as you keep score and call someone winner and someone 2nd place, every advantage is open to use.

By the way, last summer I drafted off of the fire truck down the straight away at Mid Ohio. There was a local yellow a few corners up the track (= no passing of other race cars in that section only) so I felt that on the straight, behind the fire truck was an appropriate thing to do for half a second on the way through.

It's so interesting that you cite your own experience as conclusion to this question. If it is that clear cut, there would have not been the controversy surrounding the Hamilton issue in the first place. If it is so obvious to everyone that this is "part of racing" there would not have been any criticisms directed at Hamilton from his fellow F1 drivers.

 

[Motor City Hami]

It's so interesting that you cite your own experience as conclusion to this question. If it is that clear cut, there would have not been the controversy surrounding the Hamilton issue in the first place. If it is so obvious to everyone that this is "part of racing" there would not have been any criticisms directed at Hamilton from his fellow F1 drivers.

You are talking about one sanctioning body. That one move rule doesn't exist in all racing series. The Hamilton incident was seen as a block and a warning was issued. We're talking about two cars, entering the straight at about the same speed and trying to prevent a draft run. Not talking about blocking a run that is already under way.

So in your view, am I allowed to drive straight down the middle of the track or do I have to follow the typical AI line of one car width from the outside? The racing surface has boundries and I thought I was allowed to use any or all of that surface to get around the track. Blocking is one thing, but using all of the track with no cars beside me is my decision.

 

[Mike89]

Quite a range of views here. I shall answer a question with a question.

What is safer, Hamilton breaking a toe with Petrov in Malaysia or Schumacher nearly pushing Barrichello into the pitlane wall?

In the cases i mentioned above, Petrov had the choice of wether to follow Hamilton, however hamilton made 3 moves on the straight then one more to the inside line to defend. Barrichello was level with Schumacher and had no choice but to move over.

Here is the hamilton vs petrov move. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vkushrj-F4

Here is the Schumacher vs Barrichello http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmD050RhOEY&feature=related

Breaking a toe is a legal move if you are in an acceleration zone. You have one move to defend, usually to the inside line, in the braking zone.

 

[SavageEvil]

You guys needs to lighten up, and if you want to see some serious problems with swerving, stay off racing tires. Try driving with sports and comforts, you'll think twice about swerving at high speeds.

I play GT5 a lot online and I sometimes witness this swerving, looks funny as hell to me, but the racers are very good and these guys battle it out. Very funny to watch the not so good drivers do it, they usually lose control of their cars and careen into a wall. While it does look incredibly hilarious to watch 4 guys swerving to stay in the draft, still kind of stupid, but it's racing. Have to defend your position some how as blocking in this game is hard to do if you do not know what you are doing. Waiting for the next update to fix penalties and hopefully add PP to the mix. Until then I will be running lots of stock autos, with mildly tuned suspensions. I love this damn game.

 

[chuyler1]

"I know Cole, he always goes the outside!"

Drafting, blocking, and rubbing is all part of racing...but I agree that blocking is different from swerving. You can do quite a bit of blocking with a single timed move and swerving is just unnecessary and unsportsmanlike. If someone has to swerve constantly to keep you from getting by next time don't try to pass, just give them a friendly nudge in the butt as they enter the next turn.

 

[dragonitti]

I'm one of those racers who swerves to "break" the draft. I do it for three reasons.

1) The obvious reason, so you don't go blowing past me like I'm standing still.

2) I know I'm about to get passed on the straight so I let the guy buy and then follow him closely waiting for my chance to retake the position

and the most important one

3) So you don't go slamming into the back of me sending me off the track while you proceed to use my rear bumper as a brake to slow you down so that you make the turn fine.

 

[tinram]

If it's the last lap, yep i'll break draft. You expect me to give the other guy a freebee win?

 

[WIL9731]

I'm one of those racers who swerves to "break" the draft. I do it for three reasons.

1) The obvious reason, so you don't go blowing past me like I'm standing still.

2) I know I'm about to get passed on the straight so I let the guy buy and then follow him closely waiting for my chance to retake the position

and the most important one

3) So you don't go slamming into the back of me sending me off the track while you proceed to use my rear bumper as a brake to slow you down so that you make the turn fine.

I agree .

 

[Firehuntah]

Had a situation like this earlier today when racing online. Was just 1 lap of the Nordschleife and I was in 1st place. The person in 2nd place had a bit faster car so he could draft on the last long straight. I didn't 'swerve' to break the draft and what happened is that he flew by me (30-40 km/h faster than me I think cause of the draft) and I couldn't get up to that speed anymore when trying to draft him right when he passed. So I got 2nd just because of that, if I did swerve I might have kept my 1st place.

Drafting is just very unrealistic in GT5 as other people have said already. Only way to win a race with a straight at the end somewhere is to just stay 2nd and draft the 1st place on the straight. I think it's okay to swerve to break this draft. Now if it would be more realistic and you wouldn't get such a big speed boost you could just go behind whoever passed you and draft him again. Swerving wouldn't really be necessary then.

 

[Greycap]

Why should it matter to you: it's my GTP account, my own style

OT: It's the rest of us who have to read it.

Back on topic, I don't see the point in swerving. If the driver behind is any good the draft will still be used to just about full effect and the leading car only loses speed when doing it.

 

[BigMackAttack]

I've done the same in a GT-R against Veyrons at Daytona. Kinda feels weird riding second for most of the race, only to finish first.

Yes you can draft in karts. It's a "Must Use" on the A-Spec Karting Challenge.

I think he meant irl.

 

[Khaddar]

OT: It's the rest of us who have to read it.

Shame people keep quoting him. My ignore list saves me having to see his posts otherwise.

 

[RODDUZ]

People wouldn't if the draft in this game wasn't exaggerated so much! it's a joke! it's like the car in front puts a big hand out to the car draftng it, opens it's bonnet and smashed a great big turbo on it, giving it 50 extra BHP!

 

[BigMackAttack]

In NASCAR online this is a nessesity. I can't tell you how many 30+laps races I had lead until a draft train passed me on the last lap. This is really a nessesity.

 

[EAGLE 5]

Sorry but if I'm about to lose a race you bet I'll start trying to lose that guy like he's some kind of venereal desease.

That said I wish draft worked like that in real life. By GT5s logic in real life if I stuck behind a bus on the freeway over a quarter mile away I should hit about 200MPH and probably get 164 MPGs while speeding up.

This isn't Star Trek kaz.

 

[Giygas]

No, I hate guys who block you on the straights.

Now that is annoying

This, especially when drag racing. Its a race to see who goes fastest in a straight line, not keep the slower guy from passing.

 

[Daverytimes]

If the its the final lap i do it, besides the slipstreaming in GT5 is extreme.









DAVE

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

People serve because the draft works unrealistically good. In real life, a draft takes a bit of time and positioning to work, and even then that is at high speeds. Imagine turning swerving left and right at 200 MPH in real life.

 

[Zenmervolt]

I think it's to make the race safer. Just imagine a half dozen racers swerving left and right on a single strait, now that's just a hazard to the drivers. :S

You know, I remember way back when drivers who were concerned about motor racing being "too dangerous" would just take up some other profession. Like knitting.

Recklessness is one thing, but it's absolutely possible to break the draft without recklessness.

Exactly. Swerving to the left/right on the straight seems to me so childish an act. What could the word "fool" better describe other than this very conduct? The fun part of racing is the constant thrill of overtaking and being overtaken, if your opponent drafts you you could do the same on the next straight. Moving side to side to break a draft is not only annoying, but is also extremely unsportsmanlike.

The fact that Hamilton got away with his weaving doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Touchstone - "fair game".

No self-respecting gentleman driver would do that.

"There is no such thing as 'social gambling.' Either you are there to cut the other bloke's heart out and eat it---or you're a sucker. If you don't like this choice---don't gamble." - Robert Heinlein

The same can be said for racing. Or for any competitive sport.

Now, as before, I'm not at all in favor of recklessness or just punting people into the wall, but to suggest that breaking the draft is "unsportsmanlike" is ridiculous. All breaking the draft does is make the conditions equal. If I can't catch the guy in front of me without drafting, that means I'm the slower driver and I don't deserve to be in front. Things are actually much more "fair" if the draft is broken, at least as far as total equality of machine goes.

 

[entropy731]

If the car in front of me breaks the draft, I follow him to regain the draft.

This either gives me draft or unnerves him enough to make a mistake or otherwise slow down.

 

[W3H5]

Lewis Hamilton says hello

Shanghai 2010? Plenty of swerving there along the straight.

 

[RODDUZ]

Sorry but if I'm about to lose a race you bet I'll start trying to lose that guy like he's some kind of venereal desease.

That said I wish draft worked like that in real life. By GT5s logic in real life if I stuck behind a bus on the freeway over a quarter mile away I should hit about 200MPH and probably get 164 MPGs while speeding up.

This isn't Star Trek kaz.

Well said. What were they thinking?!?!?! probably weren't thinking actually!

 

[TheToad263]

No, I hate guys who block you on the straights.

Now that is annoying

I was doing a b-spec indy 500 with a FGT and at some point my lame ass bob kept staying behind another car that was much slower... and every time i hit overtake he would just sit there and stay behind him on the straights then slow down to stay behind him in the corners. It took him a good 5 laps to finally overtake him. I wish b-spec would allow you to take control of bob for 5 seconds here and there. maybe once a race or something.

 

[Durmz]

its racing! not tea and biscuits with ya nan! its supposed to be an aggresive winner takes all sport, stop being a pussy, aslong as your not bumping people whats the problem

 

[hyyperactive]

Trying to break the draft is ok by swerving and doing unpredictable moves imho if you are far enough ahead. At some point though the one coming from behind will catch you and the swerving must then stop. Then just pick a line and let the other person make his move. Swerving to avoid draft is not blocking. Swerving to avoid being overtaken is and there is a clear difference.

Swerving for blocking a pass is extremely unsafe and dangerous and will always lead to contact. The first gentleman rule of racing is to avoid almost all contact. Some bumpdrafting might be okay at times.

I personally try to break the draft by swerving but if you are close enough I'll just pick a line and let the one coming from behind make his decision. Imho this is fair.