T-GT -users- impresssions

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Hello everyone.

Since I've come across so much controversy about how good/crap/useless the official GTS wheel is (mostly from people who never even used it), I decided to start this thread and ask T-GT users to offer their impressions of the wheel, in as to offer our fellow users that might consider getting it solid opinions as whether they should or should not spend money on it (if their main game is GTS).
 
I've literally just bought one (Now have 6 wheels so I'll be selling a few haha). I'm very, very wary of Thrustmaster (Due to their reliability) but after using it at the GT Sport Germany event I can see it's huge advantage in a race. Mainly due to the dials, the ability to change anything at an instant rather than in the menus is always an advantage because you can do it faster. But the best thing I can say about any wheel is that if you think you'll increase your lap times by changing a wheel you won't. Maybe by changing the brakes you will, but not much I'm talking a tenth or 2 if that.

My current experience is: T-GT is the best wheel for GT Sport, but it's to expensive so only buy it if moneys no object or you want to invest (Heavily) in your GT Sport racing (There's better wheels that are cheaper for other games). A G29 works just as well at 1/4 of the price in GT Sport especially as they've calibrated it better than other games.

I'll end up doing a review on this like I have on my other wheels after a couple of months use.
 
Personally I think it's a really solid wheel and worth the money. It felt great on Dirt Rally and Dirt 4 as well, so don't worry about it only being viable for GTS.
Mainly due to the dials, the ability to change anything at an instant rather than in the menus is always an advantage because you can do it faster.
Yeah that was a big selling point for me too. The only thing I'll add is they're great when new, but after a few months the one that got the most use from me (bottom right) became ever so slightly looser, but just enough for it to become tricky to use the dial precisely.
Say you want to adjust brake bias from 0 to+1, try to turn it 1 notch right it may slip 3 to the right etc.

Haven't heard any other complaints about this though so I wouldn't let it put you off 👍
 
I've literally just bought one (Now have 6 wheels so I'll be selling a few haha). I'm very, very wary of Thrustmaster (Due to their reliability) but after using it at the GT Sport Germany event I can see it's huge advantage in a race. Mainly due to the dials, the ability to change anything at an instant rather than in the menus is always an advantage because you can do it faster. But the best thing I can say about any wheel is that if you think you'll increase your lap times by changing a wheel you won't. Maybe by changing the brakes you will, but not much I'm talking a tenth or 2 if that.

My current experience is: T-GT is the best wheel for GT Sport, but it's to expensive so only buy it if moneys no object or you want to invest (Heavily) in your GT Sport racing (There's better wheels that are cheaper for other games). A G29 works just as well at 1/4 of the price in GT Sport especially as they've calibrated it better than other games.

I'll end up doing a review on this like I have on my other wheels after a couple of months use.

Im beginning to suspect my old G29 had some bugs or something.

The G29, compared to T-GT (in my experience) had much much less feelimg and details (road, bumps, understeer, flex, slip).

Did you experience the same thing? Or did thr G29 actually have all said details but mine was faulty...
 
Hello everyone.

Since I've come across so much controversy about how good/crap/useless the official GTS wheel is (mostly from people who never even used it), I decided to start this thread and ask T-GT users to offer their impressions of the wheel, in as to offer our fellow users that might consider getting it solid opinions as whether they should or should not spend money on it (if their main game is GTS).
Please don't misrepresent what others posters have posted. You claimed the T-GT changed the FFB from GTS so that, and I quote 'is actually above PC2 and AC'. Lots of people then explained why it was impossible for the T-GT to do what you claimed. An then rather than be thankful that other members had increased your knowledge of what FFB was, how it worked and what differences the transducer in the T-GT actually made you just threw out the insults.
 
I've literally just bought one (Now have 6 wheels so I'll be selling a few haha). I'm very, very wary of Thrustmaster (Due to their reliability) but after using it at the GT Sport Germany event I can see it's huge advantage in a race. Mainly due to the dials, the ability to change anything at an instant rather than in the menus is always an advantage because you can do it faster. But the best thing I can say about any wheel is that if you think you'll increase your lap times by changing a wheel you won't. Maybe by changing the brakes you will, but not much I'm talking a tenth or 2 if that.

My current experience is: T-GT is the best wheel for GT Sport, but it's to expensive so only buy it if moneys no object or you want to invest (Heavily) in your GT Sport racing (There's better wheels that are cheaper for other games). A G29 works just as well at 1/4 of the price in GT Sport especially as they've calibrated it better than other games.

I'll end up doing a review on this like I have on my other wheels after a couple of months use.
The ability to change fuel mix and brake bias quickly and while still being able to see the radar is super useful.
 
I've literally just bought one (Now have 6 wheels so I'll be selling a few haha). I'm very, very wary of Thrustmaster (Due to their reliability) but after using it at the GT Sport Germany event I can see it's huge advantage in a race. Mainly due to the dials, the ability to change anything at an instant rather than in the menus is always an advantage because you can do it faster. But the best thing I can say about any wheel is that if you think you'll increase your lap times by changing a wheel you won't. Maybe by changing the brakes you will, but not much I'm talking a tenth or 2 if that..


What I find most interesting your comment is I have been playing around with my DS4 a little here and there, I have been racing with my new Fanatec for the last 5 months. When using the DS4 my braking distance seems shorter, it's easier to catch a slide, and it seems cars are less prone to wheel spin using a DS4. I think the way to be fastest on GTS would be if someone could mechanically control the DS4 with a wheel and pedals, it's got me thinking about what I could fabricate.......There is definitely some magic inside that little DS4
 
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Please don't misrepresent what others posters have posted. You claimed the T-GT changed the FFB from GTS so that, and I quote 'is actually above PC2 and AC'. Lots of people then explained why it was impossible for the T-GT to do what you claimed. An then rather than be thankful that other members had increased your knowledge of what FFB was, how it worked and what differences the transducer in the T-GT actually made you just threw out the insults.

Can you please stay on topic and not post on people's thread offtopic stuff? You re reffering to a specific discussion i had on a different thread, even though you are misrepresenting completely hat i said, while im aasking for people to give their thoughts on the official gts wheel. How am i misrepresenting a bunch of online reviews that rang from the wheel being bad to very good?

Post on topic in case you have a t gt or tested it, otherwise dont ruine other peoples interest in this topic and stop posting offtopic.

People enter this thread to read about t gt, not your issues with me.

The ability to change fuel mix and brake bias quickly and while still being able to see the radar is super useful.

Actually the second you fiddle with the break bias, tc, etc dials, the corner left view seitches to that specific setting. It doesnt keep the mini map.

What I find most interesting your comment is I have been playing around with my DS4 a little here and there, I have been racing with my new Fanatec for the last 5 months. When using the DS4 my braking distance seems shorter, it's easier to catch a slide, and it seems cars are less prone to wheel spin using a DS4. I think the way to be fastest on GTS would be if someone could mechanically control the DS4 with a wheel and pedals, it's got me thinking about what I could fabricate.......There is definitely some magic inside that little DS4

Isnt the CSA (counter steer assist) automatically on when using a controller (not sure)? Maybe thats why it was easier to catch slides.
 
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I have a T-GT and for GT-sport it is definitely the best wheel available. The dfb feature gives extra detail and the extra dials gives you a lot more control on the go. The pedals are a little disappointing though, they feel very dated and aren't on the same build quality and performance as the wheel. FFB is delivered confidently and smooth.

What does disappoint is that the unique features are GT sport only. With other games you just end up with a more powerful T300. Also the F1 Ferrari hasn't been updated in 7 years!!! Fanatec does provide a lot more options in their ecosystem and I feel Thrustmaster is losing momentum currently.
 
I wore out my T-150 after only 1 1/2 years.Decided to go with the G-29 from Logitech,until I stumbled upon Walmart had a T-GT for under $550.00.Now that I've have 3 months of use with it I can tell you it is an awesome rim .The amount of vibration (FFB) the transducer generates takes some getting used to.The feed back I get gives me a advantage in catching slides before turning into a wreck,also fuel /tire races much easier to dial in on the fly. Wheel rotation adjustments depending on the track has helped me set some personal best lap times.I do feel this set up belongs on a race rig not a computer console ,which is what I have.First day with the T-GT one of my die cast cars rolled off top shelf from the vibration and almost knocked me out. :ouch:
 
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I have a T-GT and for GT-sport it is definitely the best wheel available. The dfb feature gives extra detail and the extra dials gives you a lot more control on the go. The pedals are a little disappointing though, they feel very dated and aren't on the same build quality and performance as the wheel. FFB is delivered confidently and smooth.

What does disappoint is that the unique features are GT sport only. With other games you just end up with a more powerful T300. Also the F1 Ferrari hasn't been updated in 7 years!!! Fanatec does provide a lot more options in their ecosystem and I feel Thrustmaster is losing momentum currently.

I agree on the pedal side, the break pedal is the biggest culprit, but im verry inclined into getting this breakcell mod compatible with the pedal set:

https://www.simracingsolutions.co.uk/product-page/load-cell-brake-mod-for-t3pa-non-pro
 
Catching the slide seems much better thanks to the T-GT. I also know now that the Crew 2 also supports the wheel directly in GT mode. Let's hope more games support it directly too.

CJ
 
Isnt the CSA (counter steer assist) automatically on when using a controller (not sure)? Maybe thats why it was easier to catch slides.

I do not know about the CSA being on at all times with DS4, I will have to check next time I try it. I was going to buy the T-GT at first, I have not followed wheel technology at all. It seemed like the wheel to get and I really like the dials instead of having to flip thru the screen. But then I discovered there were many other wheel manufacturers, what I did not like about the T-GT is I think the wheel is a little small and everyone complained about the brakes. For the price point I believe you should get a quality load cell pedal set like my Fanatecs V3 load cell brake. The other great point about Fanatec is that I can use it on XBOX which I have and PC if I decide to try I racing.
 
Havent played GTS in a while and always drove with ABS at 2. Nonetheless it is a worthwhile investment.

In case you still have gts, would you kindly boot it up, and tell me how hard/easy it is to lock up the breaks when breaking with ABS off? I'd appreciate if you could use an LMP1 car for this test.

The main reason id consoder ggetting a loadcell mod is because its extremely easy to lock up breaks with abs abs off on GTS, whereas in AC ot PC2 it feel much more realistic and it takes more prolongued breaking to lock up.
 
Havent played GTS in a while and always drove with ABS at 2. Nonetheless it is a worthwhile investment.

I think only ABS settings are Off/Weak/Strong.
TCS, Brake Balance, and fuel map all have numeric values, maybe you meant TCS??
 
In case you still have gts, would you kindly boot it up, and tell me how hard/easy it is to lock up the breaks when breaking with ABS off? I'd appreciate if you could use an LMP1 car for this test.

The main reason id consoder ggetting a loadcell mod is because its extremely easy to lock up breaks with abs abs off on GTS, whereas in AC ot PC2 it feel much more realistic and it takes more prolongued breaking to lock up.

Sorry these few weeks I don't have the time to play. But The mod is cheap enough to just buy. I am pretty sure it keeps its resale quite good in case you don't like it. Or you can ask the seller if you can try the mod for 14 days with the possibility of a refund (excl. shipping).

I think only ABS settings are Off/Weak/Strong.
TCS, Brake Balance, and fuel map all have numeric values, maybe you meant TCS??

Yes I meant weak. That's how long I haven't played!:lol:
 
I had a T150, G29 and now a TGT.

Simply answer: It doesn't make you faster, but its a lot more fun because of great FFB. You can sense outway more then as with the G29 for example.

I can recomend it to those who are not students/pupils anymore and play the game several times the week.
 
Im beginning to suspect my old G29 had some bugs or something.

The G29, compared to T-GT (in my experience) had much much less feelimg and details (road, bumps, understeer, flex, slip).

Did you experience the same thing? Or did thr G29 actually have all said details but mine was faulty...

I haven't used my personal one yet, but you will feel more with a T-GT vs a G29.


What I find most interesting your comment is I have been playing around with my DS4 a little here and there, I have been racing with my new Fanatec for the last 5 months. When using the DS4 my braking distance seems shorter, it's easier to catch a slide, and it seems cars are less prone to wheel spin using a DS4. I think the way to be fastest on GTS would be if someone could mechanically control the DS4 with a wheel and pedals, it's got me thinking about what I could fabricate.......There is definitely some magic inside that little DS4

In terms of braking you will be able to brake later on a Pad vs potentiometer brakes, but not necessarily a pad vs a load cell brake. Just think of it this way in braking terms to get to 100% braking how much you have to travel with each brake (Exaggerated distances);

Button travel distance: 0.1cm
Load cell (Which is based on force not travel): 0.1cm
Potentiometer (Standard with 2 pedal Fanatec, T3PA, g29 and many other wheels): 0.5cm

If you say it takes .1 seconds to move .1cm those 3 are then the following;

Button: .1 seconds
Load Cell: .1 seconds
Potentiometer: .5 seconds

But then you get to precision and a whole other level which is why people prefer load cells (Also force is easier on the brain I believe than distance/angle of your foot but not everybody is the same). It's not that straight forward either with potentiometers as it depends on which potentiometer each pedal set is using, the spring and all sorts of other calibrations/parameters. But that's the most extreme and completely exaggerated way to show braking changing between controllers.

It will/has/always will be easier to catch a car on a pad because you can do lock to lock quicker than on a wheel it's why drifting is easier on a pad for most people. Obviously if you've never used a pad and only ever a wheel that opinion changes but in large cases it's easier if you get my meaning :). There's also rumours and such that pad users have additional driving aids in the background whatever they are but I've no idea.

I'd love to see what you come up with though with DS4 + Wheel + Pedal controls, although not sure the game would like it so much :P!
 
Catching the slide seems much better thanks to the T-GT. I also know now that the Crew 2 also supports the wheel directly in GT mode. Let's hope more games support it directly too.

CJ

Are you sure the crew 2 does this? Source?
 
I haven't used my personal one yet, but you will feel more with a T-GT vs a G29.



In terms of braking you will be able to brake later on a Pad vs potentiometer brakes, but not necessarily a pad vs a load cell brake. Just think of it this way in braking terms to get to 100% braking how much you have to travel with each brake (Exaggerated distances);

Button travel distance: 0.1cm
Load cell (Which is based on force not travel): 0.1cm
Potentiometer (Standard with 2 pedal Fanatec, T3PA, g29 and many other wheels): 0.5cm

If you say it takes .1 seconds to move .1cm those 3 are then the following;

Button: .1 seconds
Load Cell: .1 seconds
Potentiometer: .5 seconds

But then you get to precision and a whole other level which is why people prefer load cells (Also force is easier on the brain I believe than distance/angle of your foot but not everybody is the same). It's not that straight forward either with potentiometers as it depends on which potentiometer each pedal set is using, the spring and all sorts of other calibrations/parameters. But that's the most extreme and completely exaggerated way to show braking changing between controllers.

It will/has/always will be easier to catch a car on a pad because you can do lock to lock quicker than on a wheel it's why drifting is easier on a pad for most people. Obviously if you've never used a pad and only ever a wheel that opinion changes but in large cases it's easier if you get my meaning :). There's also rumours and such that pad users have additional driving aids in the background whatever they are but I've no idea.

I'd love to see what you come up with though with DS4 + Wheel + Pedal controls, although not sure the game would like it so much :p!

I'm thinking I'm going to sacrifice one of my DS4's and see how I can make the internals work with fabricated pedals and steering column. I built my own driving center, I would think I should be able to devise a way to use the DS4 as a steering wheel and pedals
 
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I came from a G25 during GT5P and GT5 days. Then I got a T500RS + TH8RS during GT6, and used it for GTS since launch, till it died on me in January this year. Went straight for the T-GT to replace it, but kept the T500RS pedals, since I already had the Basherboards PU bushing mod for the brake pedal. The T-GT pedals haven't even come out of the box yet.

The jump from G25 to T500RS is huge. It kinda felt like going from a plastic toy to (almost) the real thing. The metal parts, large diameter wheel and FFB strength make Logitech wheels feel light and flimsy. I had it for almost 5 years, running at full FFB strength for almost all games, all the time. I just like my steering heavy n meaty. I thought it couldn't get any better. Till it died.

When switching to the T-GT, the first words that came to mind were "smooth" and "refined". That's probably more to do with the brushless motor (vs brushed in T500RS) than anything else. Both T500RS and T-GT have similar FFB strength, but the T-GT is way smoother, and has less of that notchy gear tooth feeling. I'm also able to feel more of what the wheels are doing, like the onset of understeer from the wheel going a bit light. There just seems to be a bit more communication with the tires and road surface transmitted to your hands. The T500RS has these sensations, too. But the T-GT makes them feel more "high definition", if that makes any sense. The T-GT is also almost completely silent, compared to the noisy T500RS and its fans. They most certainly improved the cooling capabilities, in part with the vents on the T-GT housing.

I've turned down the FFB for the T-GT in an effort to make it last longer. I'm still wary of Thrusmaster quality, even though my T500RS lasted fault-free for 5 years before it died. My T-GT isn't completely faultless...the left analog stick has an annoying tendency to move the on-screen cursor up, even when I'm not touching it. Turning it off and on again seems to solve it, but it reoccurs again pretty often. And before you talk about warranties, I live in a 3rd world country which Thrustmaster doesn't cover, and where consumer rights don't mean jack. But I can live with it.

The T-GT's transducer "rumble" feature feels very light and subtle to me, probably because my homemade sim rig is pretty ghetto, and the table the wheel is mounted on isn't physically connected to my seat. Having said that, I do feel the vibrations through the wheel rim during gear changes, but it's pretty weak. I do wish I could turn it up, but my rig isn't ideal for the vibrations to be felt all the way through.

Overall, I'd say the T-GT is fantastic for GTS if you can afford it. It won't make you faster, but it dials up the immersion (especially if you have PSVR).

[Side note: I haven't tried the T-GT with Assetto Corsa yet, but I remember AC steering feel was fantastic with the T500RS. I expect it to be more of the same, but smoother with the T-GT, since it emulates a T300 in "non-GT" mode. Personally, I think AC steering feel, clutch/brake simulation and overall physics model are superior to GTS. It's kinda like GTS steering feel is with a condom on, filtering and blunting some of the sensations, while AC feels more raw and sensitive, if that makes sense. But that's a whole other discussion ;)]
 
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My T-GT isn't completely faultless...the left analog stick has an annoying tendency to move the on-screen cursor up, even when I'm not touching it.
Yep, mine does this too :( (Except atm it's moving the cursor down the screen, not up like yours). I thought maybe I could have damaged it slightly when storing the seat folded down - wondered if it was leaning on it, and since adjusted it so it can't - but sounds like probably not if yours is doing it as well.

Doesn't affect the feedback or the feel of the wheel of course, but is a little annoying. Still a superb wheel though 👍
 
Hello everyone.

Since I've come across so much controversy about how good/crap/useless the official GTS wheel is (mostly from people who never even used it), I decided to start this thread and ask T-GT users to offer their impressions of the wheel, in as to offer our fellow users that might consider getting it solid opinions as whether they should or should not spend money on it (if their main game is GTS).
I called it a piece of **** because it is. It's £700 wheel and pedals that's not any better than a wheel half it's price. I own a G29 a fanatec csl a thrustmaster t300 and an OSW direct drive with a converter for PS4 and I can honestly say that the G29 is amazing for the price the fanatec is amazing if they would sort the compatibility sorted the OSW is just balls out the best experience I've had with a wheel and pedals. Now the t-gt is a repacked t300 with buttons and features added just to work on GT sport.
 
I called it a piece of **** because it is. It's £700 wheel and pedals that's not any better than a wheel half it's price. I own a G29 a fanatec csl a thrustmaster t300 and an OSW direct drive with a converter for PS4 and I can honestly say that the G29 is amazing for the price the fanatec is amazing if they would sort the compatibility sorted the OSW is just balls out the best experience I've had with a wheel and pedals. Now the t-gt is a repacked t300 with buttons and features added just to work on GT sport.

I would somewhat agree that it's overpriced, specifically if your main sim racing game is NOT GTS. However, as a previous G29 user, T-GT is a massive improvement. I would also like to point out that although some games, like PC2, recognize the wheel as a T300, technically it's actually a repacked Ts-XW with a few enhancements (transducer for "depth" feedback), the first (and only at this point) to use the T-LIN (assures better linear power delivery than other Thrustmaster products), and much improved cooling to reduce overheat/fade. Also, according to InsideSimRacing, it's about 20% more powerful than the TS-XW.

Considering that it's only 40$ more expensive than the TX-XW, yet is an incremental improvement over it, it could be argued both ways - it's overpriced if you don't play GTS (a lot) and hence the depth feedback motor makes no difference (while being slightly more powerful and better at not overheating isn't worth 40$ extra for everyone), while if you play GTS, those dedicated dial buttons and the extra feedback details could very well be.
 
I would somewhat agree that it's overpriced, specifically if your main sim racing game is NOT GTS. However, as a previous G29 user, T-GT is a massive improvement. I would also like to point out that although some games, like PC2, recognize the wheel as a T300, technically it's actually a repacked Ts-XW with a few enhancements (transducer for "depth" feedback), the first (and only at this point) to use the T-LIN (assures better linear power delivery than other Thrustmaster products), and much improved cooling to reduce overheat/fade. Also, according to InsideSimRacing, it's about 20% more powerful than the TS-XW.

Considering that it's only 40$ more expensive than the TX-XW, yet is an incremental improvement over it, it could be argued both ways - it's overpriced if you don't play GTS (a lot) and hence the depth feedback motor makes no difference (while being slightly more powerful and better at not overheating isn't worth 40$ extra for everyone), while if you play GTS, those dedicated dial buttons and the extra feedback details could very well be.

That Inside simracing review isn't very accurate. It uses the exact same motor as the ts-xw.
 
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