Taking back my wheel!

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I have yet to turn a decent lap with the thing, meaning one I couldn't beat with the controller. The wheel can be very rewarding, when it's not making me want to chuck it through the window! It doesn't seem "accurate", I don't know. I can never seem to get it turned fast enough in the windier sections, and while it's much better in the sweepers, it's not saving me much time there, and it's costing me time overall. I tried all different settings, cars and tracks, and find myself very disappointed. Anyone else have a similar experience??
 
Ummm. The wheel seriously took me a month to get GOOD..Have patience and the times drop like a rock..Just wait..
 
With regards to the wheel and turn in, try and 'chuck' it into the corners and bends. There might be a little bit of oversteer depending on which car you use, but throttle control should settle it back down.
 
man i love my g25!! i couldnt imagine driving without it. from the shifting to the throttle response its just an amazing experience... yo BMF whats up i wish we had replays so you could see how much i miss shift trying to catch you :)
 
i feel like this, i feel like taking mine back, i have hardley used it because i can't pull out rapid times yet. i will just stick at it, and hopefully they will drop. all these guys that are rapid racers have had wheels for years.
 
I got my DF GT just before GT5:P released, so I've only ever raced with the wheel, but as the others say, it will improve in time.

I actually had my wheel a week or two before GT5:P so I raced on GT4 to get some practice. I noticed immediately that the physics were quite a bit different, but now I can whip around GT5:P pretty well. A different tune on your cars might make a difference.
 
Zetec-ss
i feel like this, i feel like taking mine back, i have hardley used it because i can't pull out rapid times yet. i will just stick at it, and hopefully they will drop. all these guys that are rapid racers have had wheels for years.
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4 years last May to be exact:)
 
I bought my PS3 less than 4 weeks ago. I also bought GT5P and the G25.
2 days ago was my first time using the controller to play the game and was amazed at my utter incapability of staying on the road!
The wheel is just so responsive and immersive that i vowed never to use the controller again!
 
GTP_BMF
I have yet to turn a decent lap with the thing, meaning one I couldn't beat with the controller. The wheel can be very rewarding, when it's not making me want to chuck it through the window! It doesn't seem "accurate", I don't know. I can never seem to get it turned fast enough in the windier sections, and while it's much better in the sweepers, it's not saving me much time there, and it's costing me time overall. I tried all different settings, cars and tracks, and find myself very disappointed. Anyone else have a similar experience??
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On the other end of the spectrum, i have no idea how on earth you people can ever drive pro physics/no aids with a damn controller..........

No idea.

Patience, i'm sure you'll get used to actually driving as opposed to pretending with a dpad.

I've had my G25 (my first wheel and GT5P is my first owned driving game) for just over 2 months. I can lap Suzuka in 2.01's (750PP) and i'm competitive across all online events........ just work at it, i'm sure it will all click for you.
 
osg
On the other end of the spectrum, i have no idea how on earth you people can ever drive pro physics/no aids with a damn controller..........

No idea.
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its easy until you get anything with over 300hp to the back wheels. then its hell on earth.

my G25 should be arriving via UPS in a matter of hours or maybe even minutes!
 
Bones Brigade
its easy until you get anything with over 300hp to the back wheels. then its hell on earth.

my G25 should be arriving via UPS in a matter of hours or maybe even minutes!
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You lucky.^@#%$..I'm stuck with the classic DFP...I'll be buying a LCD before a wheel..
 
JDMKING13
man i love my g25!! i couldnt imagine driving without it. from the shifting to the throttle response its just an amazing experience... yo BMF whats up i wish we had replays so you could see how much i miss shift trying to catch you :)
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Pretty funny, JDM, I find myself doing that on occasion, too, but with the controller! :dunce:

L_Hamilton
You lucky.^@#%$..I'm stuck with the classic DFP...I'll be buying a LCD before a wheel..
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Hamilton, I have a DFP as well.. may I ask which settings you're using with it?

I'm bolstered by the support from all of you, and have resolved to keep trying, albeit impatiently so!

Thanks!
 
defo keep it trust me just a little more practice each day and remember key things Slow in Fast Out, Throttle Control, Dont Break to early or too late, Just have a feel for the wheel and in a couple of days i guarantee you'll be better just dont rush practice and try more ;)

cant wait for my DFGT tomo! :D
 
GTP_BMF
Pretty funny, JDM, I find myself doing that on occasion, too, but with the controller! :dunce:



Hamilton, I have a DFP as well.. may I ask which settings you're using with it?

I'm bolstered by the support from all of you, and have resolved to keep trying, albeit impatiently so!

Thanks!
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I also have the DFP. I'm buying a G25 soon, but keep using your DFP you will get used to it eventually.
 
GTP_BMF
Pretty funny, JDM, I find myself doing that on occasion, too, but with the controller! :dunce:



Hamilton, I have a DFP as well.. may I ask which settings you're using with it?

I'm bolstered by the support from all of you, and have resolved to keep trying, albeit impatiently so!

Thanks!
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Steering Type Simulation
Power-Assisted Off
Feedback Strength 5-6<----Anything higher than that is just a work out and by 10 races you'll be having Biceps bigger than you head..
 
L_Hamilton
Steering Type Simulation
Power-Assisted Off
Feedback Strength 5-6<----Anything higher than that is just a work out and by 10 races you'll be having Biceps bigger than you head..
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LOL, I also use Simulation, Power Assists off. I have my feedback strength set at 10 and I absolutely love it. It's so much fun because at first it's just ridiculous how strong it is but you get used to it eventually, which I am now used to it and it's a blast to drive the F1 with these settings. I tried turning it down to like 5 once I was used to 10 and I'm not joking it felt like there wasn't even force feedback turned on, lol.
 
Like others, keep at it. After about 5-6 laps in the right car, I can beat my old controller records with the G25, and get within 4-7 seconds of the online record. And that's with a manual transmission, too. :dopey:
 
Noah
LOL, I also use Simulation, Power Assists off. I have my feedback strength set at 10 and I absolutely love it. It's so much fun because at first it's just ridiculous how strong it is but you get used to it eventually, which I am now used to it and it's a blast to drive the F1 with these settings. I tried turning it down to like 5 once I was used to 10 and I'm not joking it felt like there wasn't even force feedback turned on, lol.
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I think I'll try that when I get home tonight...
 
I think it is a driving style thing too. A certain style seems to get the best from controllers where they seem to throw the car around the corners more, whereas with a wheel you tend to be faster if you keep it smooth without the drifting, so you may need time to unlearn your current driving style and readjust it for the wheel.

Thats just what I've observed though. I bought a PS2, a wheel, and a copy of GT4 all on the same day, so I have never used a controller.
 
I also have a DFP, and find I'm much faster with it than with the controller. I set the FFB strength to 8, which seems to work well.

A couple things to remember:
- There is a "dead zone" in the middle of the steering on the DFP, this can be somewhat disconcerting until you get used to it, as small adjustments from centered do nothing, then the steering starts to kick in as you go past
- With the tuning options, you can change the maximum steering angle. Setting it to a higher value (50 degrees) than the default (40 degrees) will allow smaller movements of the wheel to turn the wheels more.
- controller steering is always modulated to account for the input device: when you move the stick from full left to full right, it doesn't turn the wheels 80 degrees in the same period of time (the car would be undriveable for virtually everyone, as most novice pad users tend to steer this way). As such, you essentially have to relearn how to steer in the game since the input methods are so different. Someone on this forum described it as "forgetting it was a game, and drive it more like a real car."

Once you get it down though, the sense of immersion is amazing, and makes for great fun.
 
Vaxen
I also have a DFP, and find I'm much faster with it than with the controller. I set the FFB strength to 8, which seems to work well.

A couple things to remember:
- There is a "dead zone" in the middle of the steering on the DFP, this can be somewhat disconcerting until you get used to it, as small adjustments from centered do nothing, then the steering starts to kick in as you go past
- With the tuning options, you can change the maximum steering angle. Setting it to a higher value (50 degrees) than the default (40 degrees) will allow smaller movements of the wheel to turn the wheels more.
- controller steering is always modulated to account for the input device: when you move the stick from full left to full right, it doesn't turn the wheels 80 degrees in the same period of time (the car would be undriveable for virtually everyone, as most novice pad users tend to steer this way). As such, you essentially have to relearn how to steer in the game since the input methods are so different. Someone on this forum described it as "forgetting it was a game, and drive it more like a real car."

Once you get it down though, the sense of immersion is amazing, and makes for great fun.
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This is fantastic stuff, thank you! I recommend anyone having trouble with a wheel read this and actively consider what he's saying, I think this may be very helpful.
 
I'm surprised people are having issues with their wheel controllers. I played the first three Gran Turismo games with the dualshock before switching to the Driving Force Pro with GT4 and have never felt even the slightest inclination to switch back to the controller. I was immediately faster with the wheel...especially once I turned off all the assists. The wheel and the feedback made GT4 a much better experience than GT3.

I also strongly recommend driving with manual transmission...it does make a huge difference.

That said, I do remember trying the original GT Force wheel with GT3 and I did have serious issues adapting. The DFP's 900 degrees of rotation was definitely what I felt was missing from all previous steering controllers I had tried.

I'm now using the Driving Force GT with GT5: Prologue. I still do way better with both wheels than the controllers. In fact, I can't even place in the top 3 in many of the S Class events with the dualshock 3.
 
Noah
LOL, I also use Simulation, Power Assists off. I have my feedback strength set at 10 and I absolutely love it. It's so much fun because at first it's just ridiculous how strong it is but you get used to it eventually, which I am now used to it and it's a blast to drive the F1 with these settings. I tried turning it down to like 5 once I was used to 10 and I'm not joking it felt like there wasn't even force feedback turned on, lol.
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+1

And I usually drive with only one hand on the wheel. It didn't take long to get used to the force feedback either.
 
dude have patience...keep driving with ti and eventually it will come naturally and watch your times drop =D
 
for sure, stick with the wheel, I have the g25 and absolutely love it. It makes the racing sim that much more of a sim. The biggest thing you will notice between the pad and wheel once you get the hang of the wheel will be the consistency.
 
Don't do it. trust me.

I did what you want to do, which is return it. After i returned it, I realized how much fun I was having with it, so i bought it again. lol
 
Definitely stick with the wheel.

I was a pad player up until a month ago on all GT's with tiny dfp use on pc and the first few hours with the wheel was weird as I couldn't feel the limit of the car like I could with the pad. I was driving around 10kmh over in the tight turns thinking I could easy turn in, but kept on understeering, I wasn't thrashing lock to lock lol but just missing it and weaving around not tight at all. I set a low feedback around 2 (dont get put off the floaty feel) picked a hot hatch car (or any low-to medium ie Integra) around Eiger, noted the speed I was breaking traction in kmh, and started to ease off and turn the wheel a bit less (as you hardly need to turn the wheel when you brake to the right speed) managing tight turns like the pad and started to get a feel for grip after seven hours over three nights.

The high force feedback just dominated the whole feel early on so I dropped it right down but now I can set it on 8-10 and get the same times. Also, I got used to left foot braking and thats helps the transition and matching of the quickness on the sixaxis layout.
 
Once you get used to it and you get it se up right for each of your games, I think you will enjoy it much more and your racing will improve (thought I've never seen you race). I have a wheel for my PS2 and 3, and another for my PC. I do quite well with the wheels because they emulate true driving and racing so much better and provide the kind of feedback you need to "feel" the car as it responds to your input. Good luck with you wheel and your racing in any case.
 
L_Hamilton
You lucky.^@#%$..I'm stuck with the classic DFP...I'll be buying a LCD before a wheel..
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i have a DFP as well, but after numerous face (wheel) first drops the motor didnt quite grab in the right places all the time. IE; the center of the wheel, ever; nearly an inch of "deadzone" either direction from center, so correcting oversteer (or really just any sort of steering at all) was kind of a chore. i figured if i was gonna upgrade, (to a working wheel) i might as well really upgrade.
 

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