Taking Trading to a whole new level

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This happens all the time, it's been going on since the release of the game. I've seen a Minolta go for $20 on eBay before.

A MINOLTA? $20? Can you imagine the pre 1 car per day/$1 million trade cap then??? geezus people mustve made 🤬 good money.. when you consider this aspect of the trading.. Kaz actually made a smart move, because while we were doing it right trading car for car, people were actually putting bread on the table with these..
 
I wouldnt call it sad
If they got the money to throw away like that then thats them

hell if someone offered me money to get them to level 40 I would do it in a heartbeat
 
People golding X2010 for you

I,ll take a bit of that,please gold my Vettal for me?👍

No seriously that is one crappy thing to do is sell a car from a game that you get from UCD for not much virtual money? Not real money.
I mean just play the game and see what you get.
 
I bought the 20 million Ferrari F1 cars and P4 and the Ford GT off ebay before the trade ban happened.
 
could you imagine how much of a cash cow a 1969 GT40 would be with real money like that? No wonder Kaz shut the door on it.. now that i see this, my resentment of the trade cap just went out the window

There have been tons of threads about this before, and it was at its peak a few weeks after the game was released. This is EXACTLY why I was all for the trade cap, and think it should remain in place indefinitely. Now, with "borrowed" cars, if you need it you can most likely find someone willing to put it up for use... especially here (already done it for 2 members so far, lol).

This is probably also why so many of the DLC cars are region specific.
 
Game companies are so thick though when they spend all their time trying to stop people buying in-game things with real money on ebay.:crazy:

Instead they should like it that there are idiots who will pay real money for things and take advantage of it by making everything in their games available for purchase with real money aswell as in-game credits.đź’ˇ
 
Isn't it illegal as well? I'm pretty certain it's against eBay's own rules. Chromeline and Stealth's are ok because your paying for the code.
 
Thats nothing dude. I've seen on eBay:

People selling access to 6 borrowed cars

People golding X2010 for you

45 mins of GT5 Coaching advice through a headset

I even saw someone who would grind you to level 40 if you sent him your PS3. I'm not joking about any of this I've been selling on eBay since 2004.

lol...I can't help but believe this knowing how desperate people can be on either side. As long as there are enough people out there buying this junk, the sellers will keep up their shenanigans.
 
PD should release unlock-all DLC in PSN Store. After that all cars would cost 0 credits and instantly available. Let's say for 20-30 USD. Just like EA did for NFS Shift 2.
That would really kill ebay and other cash tradings instantly and would bring addition income for PD.

Other people would continue to cash-less trading without this stupid 1mil limitation.

Japanese - are people not from this world...
 
PD should release unlock-all DLC in PSN Store. After that all cars would cost 0 credits and instantly available. Let's say for 20-30 USD. Just like EA did for NFS Shift 2.
That would really kill ebay and other cash tradings instantly and would bring addition income for PD.

Other people would continue to cash-less trading without this stupid 1mil limitation.

Japanese - are people not from this world...

But it would also ruin the part of the game where you work your way up to the good cars.
 
I'm not sure I completely understand why you guys think capitalizing on people's laziness is some kind of new or crazy idea. You do realize our entire economy is built upon this concept right?

You'll all act as if the sellers or buyers are so beneath you, but I'm willing to bet every single one of you has been to a restaurant and paid for a meal, you could have easily made yourself at home for much cheaper. It's money paid, to avoid personal effort.
These Ebay auctions are no different. Someone turning a profit, off of another persons laziness. They aren't being taken advantage of, the buyer knows that and so does the seller. The buyer knows damn well they could get "it" themselves if they spent the time and effort the seller did, but they made a personal decision that they'd rather pay someone else to do the work for them. The same way you paid a maid to clean your house for you. Because your time is more valuable than that. It's not hard to do the math. If your time is worth X/hr and the selling price is less than what you make in that hour, it's cost effective to spend the money.

If you make $20 an hour, and on average the X1 Challenges combine to 30(?) minutes, logically as long as the Ebay price is less than $10, its value can be justified to that person.

The Used Car Dealership? I've heard horror stories of people looking for "that car" for weeks, spamming the UCD, cycling day after day and yet to get the car they want. If some guy on ebay is selling that car for 1 Euro, I dunno what that is in Dollars, but I assume it's less than $2? Is is really so pathetic to spend $2 to spare yourself that mind numbing experience?

$2 for the car you want, right now, so that you can enjoy using it, actually playing the game for a week
or
Spend a week spamming your UCD, not entering a single race, to finally get the car you want.

To me, I find the later more pathetic than the first. And I'm sure some of you will be eager to jump on the possibility that "Searching and finding the car is part of the fun." And to you it might be. But to someone else, they'll have more fun racing the car they want, rather than searching for it. You can't define 'fun' for anyone but yourself, so stop acting as if you can.

How many of you pay to have your oil changed, simply because the $15 difference isn't worth the inconvenience of buying the oil/filter, crawling under your car, getting dirty and greasy, and then being stuck with the oil to dispose of yourself?

Time and effort are relevant regardless of whether the outcome is virtual or real.

As for the legality, I don't know Ebay's policy, but I know paypal doesn't insure 'Virtual Goods' so it's easy to get screwed even if the auction successfully ends. (but I think it's the seller who gets screwed, because the buyer gets their money back without having to give the virtual item back) There use to be an easy way around that, but I assume Ebay/paypal have gotten smart, but technically it would be hard to prevent. All you had to do was sell a Penny, or paper clip, something of minimal value, and 'with' that item, you got <insert whatever here> for free. So people end up paying $10 for a penny, but the penny comes with whatever virtual good that was actually being sold. I've never seen it done for virtual crap, but this is how they use to avoid items they couldn't legally sell, because they weren't "Authorized Dealers". Like Oakley Sunglasses back in the day, ebayers couldn't sell them, because they weren't Dealers, so they used that penny trick to get around it.
 
Adrenaline
I'm not sure I completely understand why you guys think capitalizing on people's laziness is some kind of new or crazy idea. You do realize our entire economy is built upon this concept right?

You'll all act as if the sellers or buyers are so beneath you, but I'm willing to bet every single one of you has been to a restaurant and paid for a meal, you could have easily made yourself at home for much cheaper. It's money paid, to avoid personal effort.
These Ebay auctions are no different. Someone turning a profit, off of another persons laziness. They aren't being taken advantage of, the buyer knows that and so does the seller. The buyer knows damn well they could get "it" themselves if they spent the time and effort the seller did, but they made a personal decision that they'd rather pay someone else to do the work for them. The same way you paid a maid to clean your house for you. Because your time is more valuable than that. It's not hard to do the math. If your time is worth X/hr and the selling price is less than what you make in that hour, it's cost effective to spend the money.

If you make $20 an hour, and on average the X1 Challenges combine to 30(?) minutes, logically as long as the Ebay price is less than $10, its value can be justified to that person.

The Used Car Dealership? I've heard horror stories of people looking for "that car" for weeks, spamming the UCD, cycling day after day and yet to get the car they want. If some guy on ebay is selling that car for 1 Euro, I dunno what that is in Dollars, but I assume it's less than $2? Is is really so pathetic to spend $2 to spare yourself that mind numbing experience?

$2 for the car you want, right now, so that you can enjoy using it, actually playing the game for a week
or
Spend a week spamming your UCD, not entering a single race, to finally get the car you want.

To me, I find the later more pathetic than the first. And I'm sure some of you will be eager to jump on the possibility that "Searching and finding the car is part of the fun." And to you it might be. But to someone else, they'll have more fun racing the car they want, rather than searching for it. You can't define 'fun' for anyone but yourself, so stop acting as if you can.

How many of you pay to have your oil changed, simply because the $15 difference isn't worth the inconvenience of buying the oil/filter, crawling under your car, getting dirty and greasy, and then being stuck with the oil to dispose of yourself?

Time and effort are relevant regardless of whether the outcome is virtual or real.

As for the legality, I don't know Ebay's policy, but I know paypal doesn't insure 'Virtual Goods' so it's easy to get screwed even if the auction successfully ends. (but I think it's the seller who gets screwed, because the buyer gets their money back without having to give the virtual item back) There use to be an easy way around that, but I assume Ebay/paypal have gotten smart, but technically it would be hard to prevent. All you had to do was sell a Penny, or paper clip, something of minimal value, and 'with' that item, you got <insert whatever here> for free. So people end up paying $10 for a penny, but the penny comes with whatever virtual good that was actually being sold. I've never seen it done for virtual crap, but this is how they use to avoid items they couldn't legally sell, because they weren't "Authorized Dealers". Like Oakley Sunglasses back in the day, ebayers couldn't sell them, because they weren't Dealers, so they used that penny trick to get around it.

^great point actually :cheers:
 
Adrenaline, good post! :)

I want to collect Veyrons with all possible colors. Too bad i've started to do it after 1mil limitation took in action. So, now i'm on ~12000th virtual day in GT5. I've started to cycle days in UCD from aroun ~4000th day. So around 8000 days passed and i still couldn't find all Veyrons.
And with this stupid 1mil limitation i cannot trade Veyrons with others to get whole collection.

GT5 is about racing - so give all cars to us and let us concentrate on racing instead of playing in "UCD game"!
 
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