Tcs off = wow

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I've always raced with defaults apart from a few Special Events that require a different tactic. Such as the Loeb and Vettel Challenges.
So today I thought that I would try racing without TCS since it wasn't hard to moderate acceleration, so there would be no point in having something limit me.
I tried TCS OFF and was immediately stunned, I was 1 to 3 seconds faster with it off!
I was amazed and wondered why I hadn't done this before.
I also Golded three events that I struggled with before.
The Grand Tour Rally event, and the first two AMG Driving Academy events.
Driving without TCS is fantastic and I suggest to whoever uses TCS to turn it off, it only hinders you!
Feel free to share your thoughts.
Thank you for reading :)
 
As a question for TCS: Does it help in anyway with tire wear? I doubt it because TCS only occurs when there is major slippage.
 
sumbrownkid
As a question for TCS: Does it help in anyway with tire wear? I doubt it because TCS only occurs when there is major slippage.
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You can manage tyre wear by being careful on the throttle anyways.
TCS OFF gives so much more control over the cars power, I would turn ABS OFF but the brakes lock so easily so ABS 1 seems best.
 
sumbrownkid
As a question for TCS: Does it help in anyway with tire wear? I doubt it because TCS only occurs when there is major slippage.
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It does for me. I have tested turning it to more than 5 and it helps a little bit with tire slippage, but not much. It allowed me to get 1 extra lap out of the tires between pit stops on the GVS 300.
Normally i turn it off because the time gained is more important than less pit stops.
 
dabest2500
I've always raced with defaults apart from a few Special Events that require a different tactic. Such as the Loeb and Vettel Challenges.
So today I thought that I would try racing without TCS since it wasn't hard to moderate acceleration, so there would be no point in having something limit me.
I tried TCS OFF and was immediately stunned, I was 1 to 3 seconds faster with it off!
I was amazed and wondered why I hadn't done this before.
I also Golded three events that I struggled with before.
The Grand Tour Rally event, and the first two AMG Driving Academy events.
Driving without TCS is fantastic and I suggest to whoever uses TCS to turn it off, it only hinders you!
Feel free to share your thoughts.
Thank you for reading :)
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Do you use a wheel or the DS3?
 
In old GT games I used to use TCS to run in any races that needs to concern with tire wear, especially with powerful cars....while I can do that ok without TCS, in endurance races you sometimes have lapse in concentration...
 
dabest2500
You can manage tyre wear by being careful on the throttle anyways.
TCS OFF gives so much more control over the cars power, I would turn ABS OFF but the brakes lock so easily so ABS 1 seems best.
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NOS Waster
It does for me. I have tested turning it to more than 5 and it helps a little bit with tire slippage, but not much. It allowed me to get 1 extra lap out of the tires between pit stops on the GVS 300.
Normally i turn it off because the time gained is more important than less pit stops.
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I play with TCS 0 or 1 depending on the mood, but with enduros, especially the 24hr ones, I can see myself bumping them up to cushion the long journey. And having dead tires while using the DS3 is a real challenge when dealing with an uber powered car.
 
Maximum grip is attained when the tyres are slipping a certain amount, but TCS (even set to "1") doesn't allow even that much slippage. Hence, it's possible to be much faster with TCS off, even in the wet (Expert lvl. 24 AMG Special Event, for example.)

Tyre wear is easier to handle with pedals, but it's do-able on the pad. 👍

EDIT: I use ABS for some licences and Seasonal Events, I keep it off for A-Spec and online. It's more a revelation in driving feel, and you're probably going to be slower with it off.
 
I generally run TCS at 0 for cars under 400, and 1 for over 400hp. Generally speaking you can mimick TCS by applying light braking during heavy acceleration and outperform the TCS assist. In the Rx7 Seasonal Challenge I completed it gold with TCS at 2 and skid recovery on.
 
dabest2500
How do you manage without ABS?
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Try using R2 or R3, it's much more controllable than Square, which is basicly a on/off switch

I golded License S8 with abs turn off, because it activates ASM..(when it's on)
 
Dennisch
Try using R2 or R3, it's much more controllable than Square, which is basicly a on/off switch

I golded License S8 with abs turn off, because it activates ASM..(when it's on)
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I use a Driving Force Pro.
The brakes still lock to easily.
Do you have to not fully brake?
I brake fully but I don't attempt to turn at the same time or anything.

CoolColJ
Fix the brake bias first, start with 3:1
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How about for Special Events where you can't adjust brake bias?
 
dabest2500
I use a Driving Force Pro.
The brakes still lock to easily.
Do you have to not fully brake?
I brake fully but I don't attempt to turn at the same time or anything.



How about for Special Events where you can't adjust brake bias?
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Umm, that's the whole point of ABS being off. You have to control the brake pedal. . .
 
NOS Waster
Umm, that's the whole point of ABS being off. You have to control the brake pedal. . .
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I do, but shouldn't the brakes only lock when they are applied too hard or when you attempt to brake and steer at the same time?
I do none of this and brakes on an FGT for example still manage to lock.
 
dabest2500
I use a Driving Force Pro.
The brakes still lock to easily.
Do you have to not fully brake?
I brake fully but I don't attempt to turn at the same time or anything.



How about for Special Events where you can't adjust brake bias?
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It took me about a half an hour to figure out the braking, but you definitly don't need full brakes, but it uses up alot of your concentration, and i can't imagine it would be doable in a endurance race...
 
dabest2500
I use a Driving Force Pro.
The brakes still lock to easily.
Do you have to not fully brake?
I brake fully but I don't attempt to turn at the same time or anything.

How about for Special Events where you can't adjust brake bias?
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The brakes are always more powerful than the tyres can handle. This is for many reasons, like reliability of stopping power, among other things. That's what ABS is for, as well as to prevent one wheel locking in lateral weight-shift situations (i.e. turning.)

You should only brake as hard as the tyres can handle, which will vary from car to car, and depending on your suspension settings etc. Search for "threshold braking" for ideas on how to get consistent.

As for the special events, I start it and then use the "RA" menu to adjust the brake bias on the fly (and TCS, ABS if I forgot) then pause and restart - the settings should have been saved. It may even remember if you go back to the event / track screen (where start, settings, exit etc. are) - I know the first AMG events do.
 
NOS Waster
Umm, that's the whole point of ABS being off. You have to control the brake pedal. . .
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honestly, there is no point in turning ABS off other than getting a history lesson on why so many people died from brakes locking up on them before it was invented.
 
Dennisch
It took me about a half an hour to figure out the braking, but you definitly don't need full brakes, but it uses up alot of your concentration, and i can't imagine it would be doable in a endurance race...
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Griffith500
The brakes are always more powerful than the tyres can handle. This is for many reasons, like reliability of stopping power, among other things. That's what ABS is for, as well as to prevent one wheel locking in lateral weight-shift situations (i.e. turning.)

You should only brake as hard as the tyres can handle, which will vary from car to car, and depending on your suspension settings etc. Google "threshold braking" for ideas on how to get consistent.

As for the special events, I start it and then use the "RA" menu to adjust the brake bias on the fly (and TCS, ABS if I forgot) then pause and restart - the settings should have been saved. It may even remember if you go back to the event / track screen (where start, settings, exit etc. are) - I know the first AMG events do.
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I know how to threshold brake, but don't use it often because I have ABS on 1.
Would you go faster with ABS 1 or ABS OFF?
 
HurlingDervish
honestly, there is no point in turning ABS off other than getting a history lesson on why so many people died from brakes locking up on them before it was invented.
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If you can properly threshold brake with ABS off in GT5, you will brake faster. If not, you will slide into the kitty litter.
 
The car moves around a lot more with ABS off that's all, if you want to have fun, turn ABS off.

With ABS on, there is some stability management that keeps the car from oversteering or the back end of the car moving under heavy braking. So you'll just understeer on corner entry most of the time

If you want to drift turn the ABS off. Also makes getting into and out of tight corners much faster as a result
 
dabest2500
I know how to threshold brake, but don't use it often because I have ABS on 1.
Would you go faster with ABS 1 or ABS OFF?
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It depends. This is a subject of great, heated debate amongst gamers, autocrossers and armchair physicists alike. Try it for yourself and see. It might help in some situations, not so much in others.

For instance, I like ABS off for tight, twisty street circuits because I can kick the rear around under braking and under throttle. Then again, no ABS is a nightmare on uneven surfaces and undulating terrain (course creator...) and it's quite fatiguing for repeated attempts at some licences and special / seasonal events.
 
CoolColJ
The car moves around a lot more with ABS off that's all, if you want to have fun, turn ABS off.

With ABS on, there is some stability management that keeps the car from oversteering under or the back end of the car moving under heavy braking. So you'll just undsteer on corner entry most of the time
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And oversteer is a lot more handleable than understeer.
So what would you recommend for serious racing?
Things like endurance races and Special Events?
 
Dennisch
On
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How much faster?

Griffith500
It depends. This is a subject of great, heated debate amongst gamers, autocrossers and armchair physicists alike. Try it for yourself and see. It might help in some situations, not so much in others.

For instance, I like ABS off for tight, twisty street circuits because I can kick the rear around under braking and under throttle. Then again, no ABS is a nightmare on uneven surfaces and undulating terrain (course creator...) and it's quite fatiguing for repeated attempts at some licences and special / seasonal events.
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When I want oversteer, TCS is already OFF so I can cope with that.
So it sounds wise to use ABS for the AMG Driving Academy then...
I will have time to test ABS 1 and ABS OFF because the only things to do apart from that is grind to level B-Spec and A-Spec up.
I also need to do the Special Events.
What would you recommend for serious racing too?
Things like endurance races and Special Events?
 

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