Technical regulations to stay the same until 2007

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The World Motor Sport Council met in Paris today, Thursday. The outcome of the meeting is that the technical regulations in Formula One will remain unchanged for 2005, 2006 and 2007. However, a proposal for change, unanimously supported by the Teams, would be considered by the WMSC.

The current rule, which places no limit on the number of tyre manufacturers competing in the Championship, would still remain in force at least until 2008.

The Teams would be invited to discuss the 2008 Formula One Technical Regulations in a meeting on April 15, 2005, with further meetings during the summer if necessary. In accordance with the requirements of the Concorde Agreement, the new regulations would be published by the FIA no later than December 31, 2005.

Approved the adoption of new international anti-doping regulations in line with the rules of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Code. Decisions made under the Regulations may be appealed and all appeals would be ultimately heard by the FIA Court of Appeal. Approved an immediate ban on the wearing of jewellery (body piercing and heavy chains) by race and rally competitors.
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Interesting, the sport needs some stability in terms of regulations etc.

I guess this wouldn't include engines though as I'm pretty sure that comes under the concorde agreement, any information on that would be appreciated. :D

Blake
 
maybe they are starting to go about reducing cost in the right manner, by not forcing teams to make drastic changes every year to meet the totally new set of rules
 
yes your right, many teams protested the year to year rule changes (especially the Japanese teams) and its obvious that the costs would increase because of the constant changes...and about engines i think mosley still wants 2.4 V8's and i read somewhere that the arbritration launched against the FIA over these new engines was dropped so maybe we will get stuck with them after all...that would obviously increase costs once again to develop these new motors...F1 badly needs long term stability in the technical regs or you will see manufacturers pull out...also some say that the V8's would dumb down the technical aspect of F1 and thats what attracts alot of manufacturers in the first place...to be able to compete in the most technologically advanced series in the world...hopefully F1 will not be reduced in that respect after all this is supposed to be the pinnacle in motorsport...
 
Yeah, F1 is just becoming, as Webber said, an 'economy run'. I don't think that's what F1 is about at all, everyone needs to pull their fingers out and come up with some good long term solutions to guarantee the future of this fine sport. Things are getting screwed up and I really think it's about time Bernie and Max stopped ****ing with F1.

Blake
 
ya i agree a joint dictatorship of F1 is not working out...there needs to be a committee of F1 team principles and FIA leaders to discuss and work through any and all problems that may arise...and this unanimous nonsense has got to go...many items have not gone through because one team (ferrari) have not agreed...thats bs and i hope the new concorde agreement doesnt have that caveat...
 
A V8 will probably 'dumb down' everyones view on the sport, but jsut becuase an engine has a certaint amount of cylinders doesnt make it less high tech, the Ferrari Modena's V8 has 5 pistons per cylinder, does it not (as well as the dohc)? Just cos all the v8's that come out of the US & AUS are high tech as sledge hammer des not mean is a general rue. But of course, thats how everyone see 8's
 
These V8's will still probably hit 18000 RPM, so they're no less high tech, I just like V10s, lol. They suit F1 more, I guess that's just 'cause I grown up with them though.

Blake
 
The FIA always say that things are here to stay, or are about to change, but it usually turns out completely different. They should stick to what they say for once. Most of it is just daft. Threats made by the top men in F1, such as Bernie, are not to be taken seriously. Most of the time, anyway.
 
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A V8 will probably 'dumb down' everyones view on the sport, but jsut becuase an engine has a certaint amount of cylinders doesnt make it less high tech, the Ferrari Modena's V8 has 5 pistons per cylinder, does it not (as well as the dohc)? Just cos all the v8's that come out of the US & AUS are high tech as sledge hammer des not mean is a general rue. But of course, thats how everyone see 8's
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The 360 is a cinquevalvole, but the 430 is a quattrovalvole and it has 100 more hp. Valves do not equal hp. The Viper has 2vpc (I laughed when I read that, lol)
 
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uhhh i guess you mean valves per cylinder?
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oops that what i meant to say.

iceburns288
The 360 is a cinquevalvole, but the 430 is a quattrovalvole and it has 100 more hp. Valves do not equal hp. The Viper has 2vpc (I laughed when I read that, lol)
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I never said valves do equal power, thats jsut stupid. It does however increase the efficiency of engine, the viper's engine shows that V10's can be stone-age example of technology too.
 
Personally, I think seeing a 3.6L (or even 3.0 just to save space or push it a bit) V12 would be neater than a 2.4L V8, plus it would certainly add to the testament of seeing who can produce a more reliable engine. I am strongly opposed to have the crap that the FIA does, it seems to strangely favour Ferrari (ahem- wink wink, nudge nudge), and does anyone else seem to think it's just full of old farts who are getting fed up with all this "new fangled gizmo's and whatchamacallits"? I'm sorry, but those Europeans need to open their eyes and see that the history of F1 also included competitions to see who could produce the best engine. Heck, back when it started people used to show off their engines, and when someone stole an idea they added it on to their engine and eventually everything got more competitive to see who could make the best engine- until now. The FIA steps in and stops everything before it can blossom and become more refined. It drives me nuts. While I do agree that it's a competition of drivers, it just getting ridiculous how many rules they make.
 
well i agree that 2.4 V8's are not the way to go...i mean that would almost put F1 to the level of GP2...but on the grounds of safety i highly doubt the FIA would change the rules to anything bigger than a V10...i think the V10 is the perfect engine for F1 right now...its sufficiently advanced and makes plenty of power without downgrading F1 as a series that i think the V8's would do...anyway V8's would cost everyone quite a bit as they would have to be developed and tested etc...the V10's have been developed and tested and it would make much more sense to simply stick with them...personally, i would like to see the return of turbos because i drive a turbo car and i love boost but something tells me that wont be happening ;)
 
The new engine might not make that much difference. Downforce regulations were changed this year, to supposedly reduce downforce by 30-40%. But the teams did loads of testing and remodelling (granted at a large cost) and now the downforce is only 10-15% lower than last year. But cars are still going faster round the track. If they change the engines, teams will throw money at them in research and development, and the hp figure will not change that much IMO.
 
Actually they gained all the downforce back, probably more. That's why they're faster.

2.4 V8's will not generate 900+ hp.

Blake
 
2.4 V8's will not generate 900+ hp.

Not for an aweful long time.

Blake
 
Granted it was with a turbo charger but......

In the 80's, BMW got a 1.5ltr in-line 4 to produce 1500bhp.

So it is possble.
 
That was with a turbocharger, turbos do magic! And I don't think those figures are exactly right but I'll trust you. Also that was only during qualifying.

But with a 2.4L V8 engine, naturally aspirated, you will NOT get 900 HP with current technology.

Blake
 
Blake
Actually they gained all the downforce back, probably more. That's why they're faster.Blake
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exactly, the downforce couldnt be "10-15%" lower than last year and the cars be faster this year...they clawed back what they lost and then gained some more...lets think before we type fellas...

and the 2.4 V8's wont make 900HP...they will make around 700-750HP, mayyybe close to 800HP but 900HP? no, not for awhile at least...that is what annoys me about the V8's, they are too close in power to the GP2 cars which will have around 600HP...F1 should be head and shoulders above the rest...and yes they did have a 1.5 turbo producing 1500HP, albeit in qualifying trim...now that would have been a blast to drive!...
 
In 1998 3.0 Litre V10s were producing 800hp, now they're producing over 900hp and lasting 5 times longer. Engine technology has gone leaps and bounds, but it's just not good enough to get the power we have now out of them.

At the moment they get 300 HP/litre, so that's 720 HP for a 2.4 litre engine, let's say they crawl back 100 HP (that is a HUGE figure, it would be impossible to gain that in the off season) they would still only have 820 HP. I'm suggesting figures will be around 740-760 HP at most.

Blake
 

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