The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

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I know it's old news, but what does Hamilton hope to achieve at Mercedes? I honestly can't see it. Surely as a too driver your mind set should be on competing for the WDC. I don't think he is going to get that there.

It's really confusing to me. Saying that though, I am kind of a noob as far as things like this go. So can anyone explain? I understand that he might feel like a new challenge, but to be fair, winning a WDC at McLaren lately is a challenge against the Red Bulls and Ferrari.

Is there an underlying issue at McLaren? Is Hamilton not happy there?

You may have discussed this at length here and I understand that you may not want to go into it again, but I need clarification.

Thanks guys.
 
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Tom
You mean Mercedes, right?

Yeah sorry, as I was typing that I am watching the Indian F1 because I have been at work all weekend, and I was watching the Sauber. Lol, sorry guys.

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His relationship with the McLaren management has soured. He wants a new challenge, a move away, a fresh start. Mercedes have foot the bill.

That's basically what's happened.
 
Liquid
His relationship with the McLaren management has soured. He wants a new challenge, a move away, a fresh start. Mercedes have foot the bill.

That's basically what's happened.

Yeah I kinda got the feeling that he had "fell out" with McLaren, but after the Indian race he seemed really happy.

I just don't understand what he hopes to achieve at Mercedes. He can't really hope to grab the WDC? At least not at Mercedes. Unless they have something up their sleeve for when the new engine reg's come in? Plus he would bring knowledge and sponsorships.
 
Has the empty Sauber seat been sorted yet?

Not been looking at much of the team transfer news...
 
Also what about Perez at McLaren? Maybe Button will become the #1 there.

I can't see Perez doing anything there in 2013. He seems a bit, I don't know, dare I say reckless?
 
Plus he would bring knowledge

I laughed. He certainly wouldn't bring wisdom to the team.

and sponsorships.

He'd be more able to freely pursue his own sponsorship interests. McLaren have many corporate sponsors to whom the drivers must be submissive. At Mercedes, it's more likely that Hamilton would take out some exclusive sponsorships with himself rather than the team.

Mercedes have offered Hamilton a significant wad of cash. That could be one reason he's joining. As well as the fresh challenge and just generally being away from McLaren, Mercedes must have convinced him that they have a winning package on the way. Only time will tell; Prost and Alesi moved to Ferrari thinking that there would be a good package on the way and look how that turned out.

I can't see Perez doing anything there in 2013. He seems a bit, I don't know, dare I say reckless*?

*Exciting.
 
Being an alonso fan is so mainstream these days.

Also everyone who's checked Kimi's career knows he has always been one of the very best drivers, and very underestimated this season.
 
Being an alonso fan is so mainstream these days.


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I've been rooting for Alonso since the days when he was outqualified and outraced by Tarso Marques. He's a good racer, what does him being popular have to do with supporting him?

Raikkonen is rightly estimated. I can't think of many people slating him and calling his comeback a failure. He's had nothing but praise for his consistency, and rightly so.
 
I've been rooting for Alonso since the days when he was outqualified by Tarso Marques. He's a good racer, what does him being popular have to do with supporting him?

I've always supported him too even when he wasn't noticed by the media (like Perez last year), but the fanboy-ism all over the place is way too much. This season I watched four different casters/channels and all of them are biased, then go to commentate a bit on the interwebz and it's the same.

For example there were lots of "kimi moments" last race and it seems no one noticed them, or the fact Vettel once again schooled everyone at the Indian qualy (yes considering car differences).
 
Liquid
I laughed. He certainly wouldn't bring wisdom to the team.

Well he may bring knowledge of some upgrades from McLaren to Mercedes.

He'd be more able to freely pursue his own sponsorship interests. McLaren have many corporate sponsors to whom the drivers must be submissive. At Mercedes, it's more likely that Hamilton would take out some exclusive sponsorships with himself rather than the team.
Good point

Mercedes have offered Hamilton a significant wad of cash. That could be one reason he's joining. As well as the fresh challenge and just generally being away from McLaren, Mercedes must have convinced him that they have a winning package on the way. Only time will tell; Prost and Alesi moved to Ferrari thinking that there would be a good package on the way and look how that turned out.

*Exciting.

Na, I don't think it's exciting at all, I think that McLaren will fall behind, Button is fast, but I don't think fast enough. Neither is Perez.

I hope I'm wrong, because I really like McLaren, I back them more than any other team, well except for Lotus. God I love that car.
 
McLaren have gambled with young, fairly inexperienced* drivers in the past; Hunt; Hakkinen; Raikkonen; Hamilton himself, even.

I can see Perez doing a solid job of backing Button up next year. The odd win would be nice, but we'll see how open the championship is once the RB9 starts winning.

*Inexperienced at top level F1.
 
I think Kimi could have done way better. From what I could get, he's not doing as many laps as other top driver in the FP, then he struggle in qualification (Grosjean finished ahead of him quite a few times) but does really good in race. If he could be a bit ahead on qualification he could have made far better result and maybe won a race or two.

I think his lazyness and coldness was the main reason he didnt won a race yet. Back at the start of the season Eric Boullier was complaining about the lack of communication between his team and Kimi.

I believe Alonso is the best driver currently and there's no way Kimi could have done what Alonso have done this year in a Ferrari. That's my opinion tho.

Team principal Eric Boullier hailed Raikkonen “exceptional comeback”:

“From the first time he sat in the car this year it was clear he had lost none of his pace or technical feedback and we have been rewarded by a focused and motivated driver all season."

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/29/raikkonen-remain-lotus-2013/

Clearly Boullier thinks otherwise...


I don't think it's really Raikkonen's fault that he and Lotus hasn't won a race this season really... It's not like Raikkonen has had a luxury of a car that can comfortably win easily (he only has a consistent podium and perhaps by a small margin, a victory contending car at one or two races, that's about it), like lets say the Red Bull recently and Mclaren previously. Besides, we also have to take into account that qualifying has never really been the E20's strength...

People also seem to be misunderstanding his monosyllabic attitude towards the media... Just because he isn't very motivated to express himself to the media, it doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't motivated to race. After all, there's a vast difference from facing the media vs the racing itself.

I think this sums it all up really... “My hunger for winning is exactly the same as always and I think I’ve shown that I’m capable of fighting for victories. Obviously there have been none so far this year, but we have come close a few times and for sure we’ll keep on trying for as long as it takes to start winning again.” - Kimi Raikkonen.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/29/raikkonen-qualifying-improvement-needed-2013/

Being an alonso fan is so mainstream these days.

Also everyone who's checked Kimi's career knows he has always been one of the very best drivers, and very underestimated this season.

Agreed !

I don't think that Alonso's mainly responsible for the F2012's upturn in performance really (as most seem to claim)... I always thought that it was mostly about innovative and talented engineers, with steady funds for strong, consistent development.

I think it's due to this, and a little bit of extra brought in by Alonso, that Ferrari had always been able to consistently challenge for top 5 slots for every race since the huge Mugello update, while other rivals had inconsistencies in terms of pace.

Just look at Raikkonen, who has been steadily dropping off the pace since Spa, with an obvious lack of funds needed to keep up with development, even though he has never really put a wrong foot in any of these races. Schumacher, often hailed as a driver who develops the car well during unlimited testing days in Ferrari, has never been able to do much to change the Mercedes' obvious lack of pace.

This really shows how driver input is actually overrated, and has not much impact on their relative performance IMO.
 
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I've just accepted the fact that Vettel will be a triple world champion, im getting tired of the red bulls. i mean what is Webber doing? when will McLaren Finally get their form back and not at the end of the season like 2011.
 
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I've just accepted the fact that Vettel will be a triple world champion, im getting tired of the red bulls. i mean what is Webber doing? when will McLaren Finally get their form back and not at the end of the season like 2011.

I have accepted that aswell. Although I can't say I'm getting such of the RB's. Yes their pretty fast but as this years championship has shown so far, it's still really close.
 
Next year, Hulkenburg will be at Sauber!

Excellent news! This gets Hulkenburg into a position where with a bit of luck he might get a podium or two. I certainly think he has the skill if he is given the car.
 
Excellent news! This gets Hulkenburg into a position where with a bit of luck he might get a podium or two. I certainly think he has the skill if he is given the car.

That depends entirely on which of those two teams produces the better car next year. I see it as more of a step sideways, at least potentially.
 
Great news for Hulkenberg :D, but I still think that he deserves a better seat than a Sauber, he's very talented.
 
Force India have been "almost there" for quite a while. I don't see that changing for the better next year.
 
My predictions for the remaining seats.
CATERHAM
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Senna
FORCE INDIA
Di Resta
Algersuari
HRT
Clos
LOTUS
Grosjean
MARUSSIA
Chilton
SAUBER
Kovalainen
WILLIAMS
Maldonado
Bottas
 
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