The 2008 Dodge Viper: Now In Extra Spicy, With 600 BHP

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I think I like the upgrades. But the interior is still the same, we all should except the fact that it will always have a rubbish interior.
Well, honestly, I can't say the Vette's a helluva a lot better.

I honestly think the differences in the reviews of the ZO6 vs Viper come down to the drivers driving them. I don't think one is worse than the other on a track as far as handling. Power is another story, the ZO6 wins.
I beg to differ when enough magazine drivers report the Viper has a more responsive car. And by power, I assume you mean whose the better performer.

Ford's solution, come up with something on the s197 platform (Mustang, Lincoln LS, etc) and use the Triton V10 with some tuning geared towards horsepower instead of torque. Oh, and a Eaton supercharger would go nicely on that V10. :crazy:
Let's hope so because GT500 is a failure, honestly.
 
Hey YSSMAN, do you think Chevrolet will finally announce the Blue Devil/Stingray/whateveritisnow?

And what about Ford? Their GT is gone, leaving a giant gap.

Well, certainly the ball is in GM's court right now. Considering that GM has said in the past that "Blue Devil" is indeed a green-light project, it won't be long until we see something definite, but after the faked photos, nobody is sure anymore.

A good guess is that GM will probably turn the heat up on the project, but may or may not do it unless the Viper really is a threat on the performance scale. When it comes down to it, they can have all the power they want, but given how big and heavy the car is, it may not be all that much faster than the Z06.

Around the track, I think it will be an outrageously close race. I think were talking less than tenths of seconds here... While the Z06 is certainly lighter and less powerful, it is far more nimble, albeit "twitchy" (I believe GM chose to fix that not too long ago). I think the Viper may win out of the hole, due to the deeper torque curve... But when it comes to all-out racing, the Z06 may pull ahead because of its ability to turn out BHP at almost any RPM.

Both cars are going to have 3.5-3.7 second 0-60 times, both are going to rip through the quarter in a little over 11.5 seconds, and both will scratch 200 MPH. What it is going to come down to is how much civility you want, and how much money you want to spend. The Viper is certainly a lot more outrageous than the Z06, and with the rather spartan interior, higher price, and poor fuel economy, I'm not so sure I would be sold on it.

...That said, if I was a millionaire, I'd probably have both anyway... Just because I can.

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On the topic of Ford, nobody knows what the hell they are doing anymore. The GT500 has been left out to dry even by the standard Corvette, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it get its ass handed to it by the VE GTO Judge or Camaro SS either. They were supposed to build the Cobra (roadster), and they were supposed to build the GR-1, and neither has worked out. Maybe we will get a surprise at Detroit a couple weeks from now, but I'm beginning to doubt it.

...But even then, the GT really isn't all that much faster than the Z06 or Viper anyway. With the extra power in the Dodge, and a "Blue Devil" a near certainty, the GT will be an iconic memory of the early part of the 21st century...
 
See... here's where track meets the real world... The Corvette's rear end is twitchy on the limit on track mainly because the suspension design isn't all there... but the Viper, on the other hand, is rock-solid...

Which makes it a worse car on real roads... Vipers drag-racing? As long as the roads are smooth, I guess... it's a real animal on less-than-perfect asphalt... which is what British mags always rag on... and god-almighty torque and a skateboard-like ride always equal a good chance of putting it in the hedges if you get... ahem... over-exuberant.

I'd hit it, if I could afford it...
 
BTW guys, there is a roadster version as well (unsurprisingly). More info.
Fast Autos
The new 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 boasts more of what performance aficionados crave: kick-in-the-pants, throw-back-in-the-seat power, combined with benchmark braking, world-class ride and handling, a race-inspired interior and bold exterior styling.

While every SRT vehicle offers balanced, overall performance, the heart and soul of the new 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 is its standout powertrain. For 2008, SRT ups the ante with a new, 8.4-liter aluminum V-10 engine that produces an astounding 600 horsepower and 560 lb.-ft. of torque.

"A legendary big-game hunter once said, "Bring enough gun!" – and with the new 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10, we"ve created some very powerful artillery for sports-car enthusiasts," said Kipp Owen, Director – Street and Racing Technology (SRT) Engineering, Chrysler Group. "With 600 horsepower – 90 more than before - and 0-to-60 performance in less than four seconds, the 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 sets a new benchmark for the ultimate American sports car."

The new 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 will arrive in Dodge showrooms in North America this summer with a new level of customization options, including five new exterior colors, four new interior color combinations and a new wheel design.

Powertrain

When SRT powertrain engineers set out to get more venom from the 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10's powerplant, their objectives included not only increasing performance, but also complying with stringent regulatory requirements, such as federal Tier 2, Bin 5 and California's Low Emissions Vehicle (LEV) 2 mandates.

Working with specialists from McLaren Performance Technologies and Ricardo, Inc., SRT engineers began by following the racer's basic formula for more power: bigger displacement, more efficient breathing and higher engine speed.

The new Dodge Viper SRT10's deep-skirted V-10 aluminum engine block was revised for a 1-millimeter larger bore, raising the displacement to 8.4 liters from 8.3 liters. With strengthened bulkheads and improved water jackets for better cooling, the block includes pressed-in iron cylinder liners and cross-bolted main bearing caps for strength and durability.

The Viper SRT10's 8.4-liter engine breathes through new cylinder heads equipped with Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC)-shaped combustion chambers, larger valves and Variable Valve Timing (VVT). VVT electronically adjusts when the exhaust valves are open and closed according to engine speed and load, allowing the engine to "breathe" cleaner and more efficiently.

The 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 V-10's two-piece intake manifold combines a cast aluminum lower with smooth runners for better air flow, bolted to a die-cast aluminum upper plenum. A revised air-cleaner box with a low-restriction filter sends air through a dual electronic throttle control into the intake module.

The air-fuel mixture in the cylinders is ignited by platinum-tip spark plugs fired by new individual plug coils mounted on the cylinder-head covers.

Within the cylinders, pistons are equipped with larger-diameter floating pins with bronze bushings for high-load capability. Forged powder-metal connecting rods are secured with aircraft-quality fasteners for increased fatigue strength.

Engine lubrication is managed by a larger oil pump and a swinging oil pickup adapted from Viper competition engines, to improve oil pressure in high-rpm and hard-cornering conditions.

Spent gases exit through tubular air-gap headers, which not only improve exhaust flow, but also ensure quick catalyst light-off for improved emission control. The headers" stamped stainless-steel outer shell acts as a thermal heat shield for the individual stainless-steel runners that contribute to better flow separation and exhaust tuning.

SRT engineers didn"t stop there. Upgrades were developed to handle the 8.4-liter V-10's increased horsepower and torque levels, while improving traction, driveability – and durability.

The 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10's V-10 channels its power through a new, smaller-diameter, twin-disc clutch (a change from the previous larger-diameter, single-disc setup). The new clutch reduces rotating inertia by 18 percent, resulting in reduced clutch-pedal effort and improved engagement feel.

The transmission is the latest evolution of the Tremec T56 six-speed manual, known as the TR6060. It features 10 percent wider gears for higher torque capacity and a new synchronizer package. A new shifter system results in reduced shifter travel. Club racers will applaud a new provision for adding an external transmission cooler.

Braking

Stopping power is another key attribute of the Dodge Viper SRT10 formula, with 14-inch brake rotors gripped by Brembo 44/40 dual opposing piston calipers in the front and Brembo 42/38 dual opposing calipers in the rear. An anti-lock braking system (ABS) prevents lockup during hard braking. This system results in a benchmark braking performance of 60-to-0 mph in less than 100 feet.

Handling

The ride and handling of the 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 is defined by a race-bred, fully independent, four-wheel suspension featuring lightweight, high-performance aluminum control arms and knuckles, damped by lightweight coil-over shock absorbers.

Where the power goes right to the road, SRT engineers retained the tried-and-true Dana M44-4 rear axle and outfitted it with a new GKN Visco-Lok speed-sensing limited-slip differential for improved traction.

The Dodge Viper SRT10 rides on polished, forged aluminum, 18 x 10-inch front and 19 x 13-inch rear wheels now available in three styles: the five-spoke, the H-spoke and the all-new Razor wheel with five U-shaped spokes. The wheels are clad in Michelin® Pilot® Sport PS2 tires. The four-groove tread-design tires provide maximum grip, reduced road noise and superior handling in both wet and dry conditions.

Exterior Styling

The 2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 features a dramatic new hood with a larger, more efficient hood scoop for air induction and larger, functional hood louvers to facilitate a greater cooling effect for the more powerful 8.4-liter, 600-horsepower V-10 engine underneath.

Eight exterior colors will be introduced throughout the model year – five of which are all-new including Venom Red, Snakeskin Green, Viper Violet, Viper Orange and Bright Blue. Racing stripes continue to be an option with six dual painted stripe colors available: white, black, silver, graphite, blue and red.

Interior

The 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 Roadster and Coupe cockpit retains its characteristic red push-button starter and performance-oriented, highly functional instrument panel with center-mounted tachometer and 220-mph speedometer.

Five interior colors will be available in 2008: black, and four new color combinations in black/red, black/blue, black/slate or black/natural tan. A choice of bezel finishes on the center instrument panel and console adds to the increased level of customization.

"The 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 delivers die-hard performance enthusiasts a perfect combination of outrageous power, exceptional performance and stunning good looks," said Mike Accavitti, Director – Dodge Motorsports and SRT Marketing and Product Planning. "And now with a whole new range of interior and exterior colors and options to choose from, the 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 redefines how a customer can personalize their Viper."

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-dodge-viper-srt-10/
Lots of pictures.
Thanks to Viper007 for the link.
 
I'm a huge fan of the Viper. Have been for years. While the current body design is starting to grow on me, my favorite is the old design. I still like the coupe better than the convertible, though. Anyway, it is pretty cool to see the Viper getting even more power. The thing that I wonder about, though, is will it stay south of $100k? The color combinations sound interesting, especially the orange one. However, I'm not sure how a Viper is going to look in violet.:crazy::nervous:
 
I don't see any reason why Dodge and Team Viper would have to raise the price much, if any. Even at a bit less than $90K, the car is still a pretty good deal (unless we start talking about the Z06, ha ha ha).

Although, to be honest, if Dodge was to push the price up to $100K and equipped the car with an interior that is worth the price, I'd be much happier than paying $100K for extra power alone.
 
Thought:

Say Viper keeps the car under $100,000, will it really become the better deal if it can perform better than the Z06?

Think about it. There's not a whole lot of 500Bhp cars under $100,000, but how many cars are actually 600Bhp? Like what? 2? 3, maybe 4, not even?
 
A little less weight would go a long way. 👍 It had enough power before to do some serious damage. So instead of reducing the weight the morons at Dodge decided to add more power, typical american thinking! Wait....I'm American! :lol:

Actually on a side note I think that all most all new cars are getting to big and way to heavy. Very few new cars are a hoot to drive, and even fewer give you that lightweight sensation that older cars give you. For example My 1992 Civic Hatch (EG) weighs around 2050 lbs. stock. A 2000 Civic SI here weighed around 2700 lbs. stock and a 2006 Civic SI weighs 3100 lbs. stock.

WEIGHT IS THE ENEMY! :grumpy:

On a positive note, a lot of luxury car companies are doing their damndest to reduce weight. A few have even been released more than 100lbs. lighter despite being larger all around (Jaguar XJ...um, there are others, aren't there?).


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Does TVR stil count seeing as they might be going into admininstarion.

Now that's a small-production company! :D


On topic: Of all the things that could have been improved with the Viper, Dodge chose more power. Nice. No, really: try to prove to me that you're not a stereotypical car company. I dare you. An eight-point-four liter engine? Oh, that's very inventive. What happened to McLaren's involvement? I guess that died when they realized that no one from Dodge could spell "lighter" without flicking their Bic.

Don't get me wrong, I like this car for all the non-PC ideals it represents. Who doesn't love a front-engined, rear-drive, 2-seat car with way too much power and looks like it;s headed for Sebring? However, like so many other things in the world, I suppose the obvious always escapes the ones who actually make the big decisions. By all means, keep the engine, keep the chassis, and definitely keep the looks (despite looking less cool than the older version). But why is it so hard for refinement to filter its way through to cars that cost $90,000, when the next most expensive car costs slightly more than half, yet has the same drivetrain?!?

Chrysler has made so many great strides over the past two years, this half-effort with their flagship seems...misguided, at best. I forsee the Corvette stomping all over the Viper with a stepped-up Z06 next year.
 
On a positive note, a lot of luxury car companies are doing their damndest to reduce weight. A few have even been released more than 100lbs. lighter despite being larger all around (Jaguar XJ...um, there are others, aren't there?).




Now that's a small-production company! :D


On topic: Of all the things that could have been improved with the Viper, Dodge chose more power. Nice. No, really: try to prove to me that you're not a stereotypical car company. I dare you. An eight-point-four liter engine? Oh, that's very inventive. What happened to McLaren's involvement? I guess that died when they realized that no one from Dodge could spell "lighter" without flicking their Bic.

Don't get me wrong, I like this car for all the non-PC ideals it represents. Who doesn't love a front-engined, rear-drive, 2-seat car with way too much power and looks like it;s headed for Sebring? However, like so many other things in the world, I suppose the obvious always escapes the ones who actually make the big decisions. By all means, keep the engine, keep the chassis, and definitely keep the looks (despite looking less cool than the older version). But why is it so hard for refinement to filter its way through to cars that cost $90,000, when the next most expensive car costs slightly more than half, yet has the same drivetrain?!?

Chrysler has made so many great strides over the past two years, this half-effort with their flagship seems...misguided, at best. I forsee the Corvette stomping all over the Viper with a stepped-up Z06 next year.

McLaren was there if you read the info I posted.

But it's not the same company involved with the McLaren Automotive Group though Bruce McLaren did found it.
 
Unlike you, I've been a big fan of the Viper. I never really digged the convertible Vipers. My least favorite Viper was the R/T from the early 1990s (the convertible Viper). But this has been a car that has been killer in sportscar racing whether it's the ALMS or Le Mans or the Nürburgring Nordschleife. My usual deal is that more powerful cars decrease handling ability unless a car is properly tuned inside and out. This ia car you don't see every day (why I called it an exotic and why people soiled me when I stated that about the Viper). I even sat inside a recent Viper at the 2006 Houston Auto Show (planning to go to the 2007 show in January). And unlike this damned Hummer H2 and H3 fad, this machine was actually pretty roomy. I don't think the car got any interior adornments because it's an all-business machine with little in the way of things to get in your way. Kind of like how the Ford Cobra R from 2000 didn't have air conditioning or a radio.

But I've always respected the Viper. Until the recent Corvette is designed better, I'll take the Viper any day despite its price. Out of 100% approval, I give this thing about 95% to 100% approval.
 
It amazes me that they an 8.4l V10 engine and can only manage 600bhp.

The Noble M400 has a Mondeo 3.0 V6 turbo charged engine and produces rougly 400bhp with a top speed of 185mph and 0-60 in under 4 seconds.

I'm not saying the Viper is slow, but it should be faster.
 
It's a bigger engine. What it lacks in top end horsepower, I'm sure it makes up with torque. They just have to gear the car to take advantage of it.
 
It amazes me that they an 8.4l V10 engine and can only manage 600bhp.

The Noble M400 has a Mondeo 3.0 V6 turbo charged engine and produces rougly 400bhp with a top speed of 185mph and 0-60 in under 4 seconds.

I'm not saying the Viper is slow, but it should be faster.
Ofcourse they can get more than 600bhp from it, but to what ends? They don't want to turn the stock Viper into some 1000bhp hyper suicide mobile and have to rebuild customers engines regularly for free on warranty. It's about marketing as much as it's about engineering. Besides that an 8.4 liter V10 producing 600bhp is a hell of a lot less stressed than a 4.2 liter engione producing 600bhp. Not that there's anything wrong with creating a lot of power from a smaller engine, far from it. But the different approaches to engine design create radically different engines in terms of power delivery, throttle response, rev ranges, power bands, the ability to tune the engine yourself after you've bought the car and the list goes on. If you can get 1500bhp form a 1.5 liter engine, yeah you can get a hell of a lot more than 600bhp from an 8.4, but that doesn't reflect negatively on the Vipers engine. In short engine a: producing 400bhp from 4 liters is not necessarily better than engine b: that produces 400bhp from 6 liters.
 
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Hmmm, sounds very good, doesn't it? I know I haven't always been the biggest fan of the Viper, but this kinda changes that just a bit. With 600 BHP on tap, this thing should be a monster. Que the 1812 Overture, because this car is going to be exploding all-over the Europeans, however it may become a fight to the death against the lighter (but less powerful) Z06.

...My only problem is that they didn't fix the interior...
It's going to be a while, before more US cars replace the melted down plastic from dustbins, which they use on the interiors.
 
My dad told me that he read that they will be offering all kinds of interior options and colors instead of the spartan plastic and crap from the older models.
 
Well, it is good and all that they are attempting to fix the interior problem, but it is just so damn disappointing in such a great car. Generally speaking, the interior seems to be the Achilles Heel in nearly every new car they produce that should have been a good car... The Magnum/Charger, Caliber, Sebring, 300C, etc. If the interiors didn't suck so bad, I would nearly be tempted to buy a DCX vehicle.

One of the few vehicles DCX managed to do somewhat well in the interior department was the Ram. Although it certainly looks a bit cheap, it doesn't look as bad as the others. Why can't they do the same with the Viper? Even if they spent $100 more per car on the interior, I would assume that it alone would generate an improvement worth having.

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It amazes me that they an 8.4l V10 engine and can only manage 600bhp.

The Noble M400 has a Mondeo 3.0 V6 turbo charged engine and produces rougly 400bhp with a top speed of 185mph and 0-60 in under 4 seconds.

I'm not saying the Viper is slow, but it should be faster.

Well, lets put it this way... Can you see the Viper powered by the following:

- 2.0L Turbocharged I4?
- 3.5L Twin-Turbocharged V6?
- 4.3L V8?

...I know I can't...

You can post figures from Minivan-powered Nobles all you want, but when it comes down to it, we'll take our backwards-designed V10 any day in America. Sure, it is just a (modernized) aluminum version of the old Dodge V10 from the pickup truck line, but it works, doesn't it? Using the same design saves money, keeps reliability on a level plane, and boots power levels beyond their previous incarnations.

Of course, it is a difference of opinion between America and Europe as to how an engine should be designed, and it has been discussed countless times on this forum. Usually, we have agreed to disagree here... And I plan to keep it that way.
 
I'd take a ZO6 over that anyday. Minus the stripes, hood, and god awful wheels that would actually look good.
 
I'd take a ZO6 over that anyday. Minus the stripes, hood, and god awful wheels that would actually look good.

Stripes and wheels are an option. BTW, you do know a Z06 costs more in options that a Viper right? A Z06 in options can run $80,000, while a Viper runs $90,000. The bad thing about the Viper options is that only 2 paint jobs are free. The rest run $3,000 with stripes.
 
Stripes and wheels are an option. BTW, you do know a Z06 costs more in options that a Viper right? A Z06 in options can run $80,000, while a Viper runs $90,000. The bad thing about the Viper options is that only 2 paint jobs are free. The rest run $3,000 with stripes.

Ummm, where are you getting your figures?

A fully-loaded Z06 with every option box checked will only run $78,225 MSRP. A Viper doesn't even start until $86,995 (coupe).
 
Ummm, where are you getting your figures?

A fully-loaded Z06 with every option box checked will only run $78,225 MSRP. A Viper doesn't even start until $86,995 (coupe).

I'm getting them from the official website.
 
I got my figures from Chevrolet.com and from Dodge.com so I'm not certain how they can really be any different. Unless of course cars cost more where you live...

But either way, there isn't any chance in hell you're going to find either of those cars for MSRP anyway...
 
The reason I price the Vette at $80,000 is because the website even claims this.
Tax, Title, License, dealer fees, optional equipmetn extra. Now, it may be cheaper for you because the factory isn't very far, but down here, the Vette will run $80,000 easy for that.

The Viper though includes destination and all that at $90,089.

BTW, the Corvette is $78,675. Like the Viper, I included the non-free paintjob.
 
Yes, but the Viper has NO options, a gas guzzler tax, is extremely uncomfortable, with a race tuned suspension (which means a crap road ride), and the exhaust pipes running into the side sills, just so you remember last tuesdays run to the mall a little better. :grumpy:

The Z06 is a much more liveable car in the long run, with usable cargo space, relatively comfortable seats, and better fuel economy, not to mention the total lack of dealer support for the Viper, whereas the Corvette is much more easily serviced. (Or so I have read)

Just my two cents.
 
It's Bacckkk!


600Hp!?

Shove that in your face Chevy and eat it. Now, let's hope this bad boy can handle even better.

how is it that dodge can get:

8.4L V10=600bhp

and koenigsegg get:

4.7L V8=850BHP
 
Very impressive but sadly, the article does not mention any changes to the handling capabilities.

This car might eat a C6, I highly doubt it'll "eat" one one a track with tight corners...

For the looks, still nothing better then the old GTS...


CCX:

That's typical for American engines, compare it to the Lancer MR. 2L and they push out a rough 400 HP out of it, and then there are cars with a 3.2L which nearly have 200 HP.
 
I've seen most C6 ZO6's go for around $75-79k. Heard of a few guys on ZO6vette somehow getting them for around $65 and msrp. THose are usually guys who are buddy-buddy with dealers and have bought several cars through the dealers previously.

Either way both the C6 ZO6 and the Viper(ANY year) are extremely sweet cars which I wouldn't mind owning at all. I'm just a slightly bigger fan of the C6Z for some reason.
 
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