The Arrogance of an Elitist Player

[vxr58]

I have always expected to experience this, but rarely have.

The one occasion I had an incident though, it kept me awake that night I was so p***ed off. I was in a daily C race at Brands and a Greek driver rated SS properly shunted me off at Druids. No doubt it was intentional, and I saw him misbehave with another player. I was A/S at the time and at the end of the race he started coming out with all sorts of stuff about me being a noob and not knowing how to drive, whilst sending love messages to other SS drivers. Really p****ed me off, there was clear prejudice against me as an A/S driver (despite the fact I finished the race ahead of him having pulled off a blinding but clean pass at Surtees later on).

 

[Stotty]

Race: I really don't understand anybody who thinks they can just push people or go for crazy dive bombs into corners. Even aliens get this done to them by other Aliens because they see themselves as better. It's something I really don't get, and something I really don't like. It's something I actually call people out on because there's no need for it and it's hugely disrespectful. You're not going to win every race, and there's always somebody faster! Even @TRL LIGHTNING would probably say there's always someone faster or at least the ability to go faster I imagine and I see lightening as currently the fastest GT Sport player and respect him a lot in terms of the videos and help he does bring to the community. I mean if you see me as an alien and I suppose I am I guess as I'm in the top 1%? I dunno but anyway I have people who just completely dive bomb me and I'll just avoid these players as I know in a real tournament you do that you're getting a penalty as I've been an adjudicator at live events. At the end of the day you treat people how you want to be treated... Maybe it's an age thing? Who knows, but I'll always try to race as clean and as fair as possible. Sometimes fairness is very opinionated and 50/50 again I had something like that recently but do your best, race clean and others will recognize this. If I do feel I'm faster than someone and you'll see it in my videos I still catch up to people and I'll treat them with respect in terms of the racing and I've had some fantastic races/battles with guys/girls I wouldn't normally race because usually we'd be at different ends of the grid.. Either me at the back and them at the front or the other way around.

Also nose cutting don't do it! Absolutely hate that and that happens a lot and then they blame the guy for being hit even though they were evidently on their inside!

Just race clean, and fair and have a good time !

Well said... exactly how it should be 👍

Interesting you say you think Lightning is top dog ATM... you think he's faster than Ti-Tech/Shooter/Holl01 for example?

I have always expected to experience this, but rarely have.

The one occasion I had an incident though, it kept me awake that night I was so p***ed off. I was in a daily C race at Brands and a Greek driver rated SS properly shunted me off at Druids. No doubt it was intentional, and I saw him misbehave with another player. I was A/S at the time and at the end of the race he started coming out with all sorts of stuff about me being a noob and not knowing how to drive, whilst sending love messages to other SS drivers. Really p****ed me off, there was clear prejudice against me as an A/S driver (despite the fact I finished the race ahead of him having pulled off a blinding but clean pass at Surtees later on).

S/S =/= Alien... but some people seem to think they are some sort of super star when they get there.

Massive difference between bottom of SS and top of SS!!

 

[DJShadesUK]

Although, it is also the defenders job to make sure they are defending cleanly. It can be aggravating when you are clearly faster than someone but cannot overtake them fairly because of unsportsmanlike defending/blocking etc.

The amount of people who do not understand what is clean defending/blocking, and think any defending/blocking is unfair or cheating, is not even funny. I don't care if someone is 5, 10 or 50mph faster than me; if we're racing for position and you're right behind me, I'm making my car as wide as possible without compromising my own lines too much.

There are so many people that haven't got the slightest clue about racecraft, despite those slightly patronising videos you're forced to watch in GTS, that its really starting to affect my enjoyment of the game.

I've found that, in racing games, there is a rule that is similar to the old "he who smelt it, dealt it" fart rule... the one who complains the most about other drivers (during a race) is usually the worst offender.

 

[JulesDennis]

The amount of people who do not understand what is clean defending/blocking, and think any defending/blocking is unfair or cheating, is not even funny. I don't care if someone is 5, 10 or 50mph faster than me; if we're racing for position and you're right behind me, I'm making my car as wide as possible without compromising my own lines too much.

There are so many people that haven't got the slightest clue about racecraft, despite those slightly patronising videos you're forced to watch in GTS, that its really starting to affect my enjoyment of the game.

I've found that, in racing games, there is a rule that is similar to the old "he who smelt it, dealt it" fart rule... the one who complains the most about other drivers (during a race) is usually the worst offender.

100% true mate.

 

[vxr58]

The amount of people who do not understand what is clean defending/blocking, and think any defending/blocking is unfair or cheating, is not even funny. I don't care if someone is 5, 10 or 50mph faster than me; if we're racing for position and you're right behind me, I'm making my car as wide as possible without compromising my own lines too much.

There are so many people that haven't got the slightest clue about racecraft, despite those slightly patronising videos you're forced to watch in GTS, that its really starting to affect my enjoyment of the game.

I've found that, in racing games, there is a rule that is similar to the old "he who smelt it, dealt it" fart rule... the one who complains the most about other drivers (during a race) is usually the worst offender.

Completely agree. Amazes me often that someone can throw a lot of time into GTS (and be good at it) with seemingly no interest in motor sport. In lower SR when I occasionally get relegated, any sort of pass seems to be construed as dirty, which then opens the floodgates for real dirtiness. You'll get the flashing headlights then they'll drive you off the road one way or another.

 

[PirovacBoy]

I am offended by this @PirovacBoy .

Seriously though, I haven't experienced any of this I guess that makes me the Extraterrestrial

Of course you’re even already on the verge to Extragalactical I know now what the problem yesterday was. I was driving without ABS in our Gr2 race, because the Lobby I was in before, it was a m3 only with no aids on Comforts

 

[DJShadesUK]

Amazes me often that someone can throw a lot of time into GTS (and be good at it) with seemingly no interest in motor sport.

THIS.

 

[cleanLX]

I've only got 50 races under my belt, and I'm a mere Dr.B driver.
I've only been in a few races were I was "competitive" with the Dr.S/A crowd (Nurb24) and my experience has been very favorable with the fast guys.

One race in particular... so proud of it I saved it.
I was in 991 (started 4th maybe?) with an Dr.S guy in Mustang behind me... long story short, through the twisties I'd pull a gap, then by the end of the next straight he'd have closed, but not quite enough (keep in mind I'm not so good on the brakes, but ok at mid corner and exit), this accordion repeated and he started flashing high beams at the end of the straights, only for me to pull back out... finally coming into Bergwerk, knowing there was a long flat out uphill thereafter, I stayed wide and he pounced past clean as a whistle and even held the inside on exit, guess he figured I might be there... (I wasn't, I'd scrubbed plenty to ensure even if he over cooked it -he didn't- we'd get through) I closed up (still not a threat, but closed just the same) by Pflanzgarten but then lost "contact"... bye bye...
Then, on the final straight another Dr.S in the RCZ appeared in my mirror and man was he coming... must have got a heck of an exit at Galgenkopf... anyways, at that time I had not learned just how aggressive you could be into Hohenrain and he closed so fast/hard I waited for the punt... but he somehow managed to miss me... we both got a run out and onto the GP start/finish straight and I got 3rd by 0:00.003... about the thickness of a license plate I think... and not so much as a tap as we went through the chicane onto the GP portion.
Anyways, Mr. Mustang had several opportunities to move me under braking, and Mr. RCZ (pretty sure it was Mr. @ORMA_Snow, or that XxXxXx guy... either way...) did an outstanding job in not running me over, and, then through the chicane... not a tap.
I was very impressed.
It was enough to make me wish I was Dr.S just so I could race with guys like that more often... but the reality is, I would not be racing with them, I'd be watching them drive off. .

Maybe with such a difference in ranking (mere Dr.B to known fast Dr.S) they felt pitty on me... maybe if I was actually a threat to them (Dr.S) they would have been less tolerant... I like to think they would race the same.

 

[GT_Alex74]

First, from what I've seen of you online @PirovacBoy you're not a slow guy.

Then I don't think there are many fast people completely disregarding slower drivers, although I see what you mean and saw a few fitting the description. But most of the time, the speed difference is so high both parties involved are just surprized by the speed and reactions of each other. "Why did he even brake here ?!" vs "I checked my mirror 5 seconds ago and he seemed far away, it's impossible he was besides me at braking point ?!" - that's why in real life, you have the 107% rule in single category racing.

I can understand, in open lobbies, sometimes you feel like it's not your fault, or 50-50, and so you don't bother trying to figure it out, drive and move on to the next race, and maybe check the replay later. I think it mostly goes like this, although there are a few guys just not caring about slower people or wait for them because they don't want to lose the guys they're battling with.

 

[MINKIHL]

To give my 2 cents to this thread,...

I think one of the reasons is, that many drivers are forgetting the unrealistic strong slipstream abd starting to brake at the same braking points like they trained.

And the other thing is this funny ping pong physic.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I've seen this arrogance even among low level drivers. Just simply legally blocking a player is enough for them vilify you and to rationalize dive bombing or ramming.

Last night I had passed one driver who was "faster" on Suzuka but who kept blowing Turn 1 half of the time. I was just running a clean pace and picking off his mistakes. I was faster than him on the esses and given his driving style I presume he thought I was blocking him. Like clockwork he dive bombs me on turn 1, I gave him the inside apex and just planned to smoke him on the inside as he passes, but he literally angled to knock me off of the track.

Long story short, I reported him (he was rubbing other drivers off of the track as well) and told him on the post race chat. He then proceeded to send me private curse messages about how "slow" I was, as if he didn't have to dive bomb me off the track to pass me. I just blocked his PSN and moved on, but you could clearly tell that he felt arbitrarily entitled to beat me even though he couldn't keep his car consistently on the track.

 

[NJ72]

This is not true.
Tell me,in what racing series rules stats that a lapped car should "move out of the racing line" to let the leader(s) pass?
I cannot think any series that have rules like that.But to copy my post in another topic with similar talk:

"
What lapped cars should do is to keep a racing line in order for the faster car to pass them in a safe manner (rl or sim racing).
Many times it helps if they give a lot of room but that cannot happen all the time.
The main thing is that a lapped car should:
-need to use clear body language (driving a predictable line -no nesseseraly off the racing line-,no sudden moves or braking)
-pick a side and then religiously stay there until the car has passed (even try slowing a little to expedite the pass)
-be aware there could be any number of lapping cars
The lapping cars:
-be aware that the car getting lapping may have absolutely no knowledge of their presence (especially in case of 2 or more cars lapping another)
-it is their responsibility to make a clean pass as in any other case."

This is what race ettiquette dictates.

Two words: Blue Flag.

Definition: A light blue flag, sometimes with a diagonal yellow, orange, or red stripe, informs a driver that a faster car is approaching and that the driver should move aside to allow one or more faster cars to pass.

 

[DJShadesUK]

One of my biggest bugbears is when you're side-by-side with someone, heading towards a corner. Obviously, as any real racer knows, if you're side-by-side, neither can claim the corner is "theirs"; its 50/50 and you both have to drive appropriately and with consideration. Personally, knowing both our lines will be compromised through the corner, I'll always try to maintain my line (if I'm on the inside I'll maintain the inside line or outside on the outside line) which of course means going a bit slower than normal to give my opponent racing room. What really winds me up is when the other person doesn't; if you're on the inside they'll try to turn in as if you have suddenly vanished into thin air and don't exist, and smash you off the track, or if you're on the outside they'll drift out knowing full well that you'll get smashed off the track and they are pretty much 100% guaranteed to make the corner.

While I'm on the subject of bugbears (oh dear, this has turned into a rant! )...

The Beetle and the Porsche. I'm a fast driver - even if I do say so myself - but I've only got that way through methodically analysing every corner, every brake point, every turn-in. Can I get away with braking while turning in? I am best completing braking, stabilising the car, turning in, then powering through the corner? Can I get away with braking or just a slight lift? Y'know, the stuff that any serious racer does. My weapon of choice is the WRX Gr.3 (I've done over 13.5k miles in it!) and my circuit of choice is the Nordschleife. I've managed to stick the WRX round the Nordschleife in 6:06.690, which, I believe, for a car that I very rarely see used, isn't too shabby. I love using the WRX because nobody expects to get their ass kicked by a WRX, but I digress. What really frustrates me is seeing Beetle or Porsche drivers that make a complete mess of corners - going in far too deep, bouncing over curbs, never hitting apexes, etc, etc - and watching them power away, leaving you standing, or somehow still managing to do 10, 20 or sometimes 30mph faster than you can through some corners. 🤬🤬

Obviously I realise there are some super talented people out there, far more talented than I - although I did beat Jensons Buttons lap time of a fantasy track in the same full motion simulator he'd used by three seconds! - but its absolutely ridiculous when you work hard and minutely analyse everything to get faster only to be thrashed by people who clearly don't really care about racecraft, or probably racing in general. For a game that is supposed to have homologated groups, where every car is supposed to have it own strength and weaknesses but all be relatively equal, it is, at times, nothing more than a joke.

Sorry, rant over

 

[Mikail Hizal]

Well said... exactly how it should be 👍

Interesting you say you think Lightning is top dog ATM... you think he's faster than Ti-Tech/Shooter/Holl01 for example?



S/S =/= Alien... but some people seem to think they are some sort of super star when they get there.

Massive difference between bottom of SS and top of SS!!

I don't wanna declare a "war" on this but i beat ti-tech,shooter and holl01 on gt sport but also they beat me so i would consider to say myself that we are equal in terms of speed
Also don't forget about Wolf_Aono san, orma_snow, iof_racing, and all of the other great gamers who are extremly fast as well.

For this thread i think the arrogant ones, blockers, rammers should accept that this is just a game and should enjoy it instead (by not blocking, ramming someone else, etc) ^^

And last but not least let's eat a cookie ^^

 

[Stotty]

I don't wanna declare a "war" on this but i beat ti-tech,shooter and holl01 on gt sport but also they beat me so i would consider to say myself that we are equal in terms of speed
Also don't forget about Wolf_Aono san, orma_snow, iof_racing, and all of the other great gamers who are extremly fast as well.

For this thread i think the arrogant ones, blockers, rammers should accept that this is just a game and should enjoy it instead (by not blocking, ramming someone else, etc) ^^

And last but not least let's eat a cookie ^^

No offense meant, and an honorable reply... I'm not quite up to speed on the minute differences in ability at the very top of the driver rankings

You're on my friends list and you're usually at the top of the daily rankings 👍

ps; one of my few claims to fame is I once beat Dan (Holl01) over a best of 3 head to head at Suzuka back in GT5P days

 

[NJ72]

One of my biggest bugbears is when you're side-by-side with someone, heading towards a corner. Obviously, as any real racer knows, if you're side-by-side, neither can claim the corner is "theirs"; its 50/50 and you both have to drive appropriately and with consideration. Personally, knowing both our lines will be compromised through the corner, I'll always try to maintain my line (if I'm on the inside I'll maintain the inside line or outside on the outside line) which of course means going a bit slower than normal to give my opponent racing room. What really winds me up is when the other person doesn't; if you're on the inside they'll try to turn in as if you have suddenly vanished into thin air and don't exist, and smash you off the track, or if you're on the outside they'll drift out knowing full well that you'll get smashed off the track and they are pretty much 100% guaranteed to make the corner.

While I'm on the subject of bugbears (oh dear, this has turned into a rant! )...

The Beetle and the Porsche. I'm a fast driver - even if I do say so myself - but I've only got that way through methodically analysing every corner, every brake point, every turn-in. Can I get away with braking while turning in? I am best completing braking, stabilising the car, turning in, then powering through the corner? Can I get away with braking or just a slight lift? Y'know, the stuff that any serious racer does. My weapon of choice is the WRX Gr.3 (I've done over 13.5k miles in it!) and my circuit of choice is the Nordschleife. I've managed to stick the WRX round the Nordschleife in 6:06.690, which, I believe, for a car that I very rarely see used, isn't too shabby. I love using the WRX because nobody expects to get their ass kicked by a WRX, but I digress. What really frustrates me is seeing Beetle or Porsche drivers that make a complete mess of corners - going in far too deep, bouncing over curbs, never hitting apexes, etc, etc - and watching them power away, leaving you standing, or somehow still managing to do 10, 20 or sometimes 30mph faster than you can through some corners. 🤬🤬

Obviously I realise there are some super talented people out there, far more talented that I - although I did beat Jensons Buttons lap time of a fantasy track in the same full motion simulator he'd used by three seconds! - but its absolutely ridiculous when you work hard and minutely analyse everything to get faster only to be thrashed by people who clearly don't really care about racecraft, or probably racing in general. For a game that is supposed to have homologated groups, where every car is supposed to have it own strength and weaknesses but all be relatively equal, it is, at times, nothing more than a joke.

Sorry, rant over

This sounds less like a rant and more like a thinly veiled attempted brag...

Again, just my 2 cents

 

[PirovacBoy]

That's very kind, I try my best to race as clean as possible and be the best example I can be! However sometimes even I see frustration but let me explain a little. I think there's multiple problems or multiple views to be looked at..

Qualifying: I get a little frustrated when for example if you're not the quickest car on circuit and you aim to be the first out the pits straight away you can cause a real pile up/queue behind and that can start off a really bad atmosphere. Now I don't mean if you're 1 or 2 tenths but if you clearly know you're 1 or 2 seconds off the pace then I'd recommend you go out after the initial charge. Just leave it 10/15 seconds rather than racing to be first out. There will be much more space to give you and anyone else room. Personally if I get stuck behind someone on the out lap and I can clearly see I'm quicker (I mean significantly quicker as well here) I will go for the move (Cleanly though of course). Some may see this as aggravation but generally speaking if someone is on your tail in the out lap and it's happened to me as well I'll literally let them go. The worst thing that can happen is that your qualification lap is compromised because a car goes for the overtake, or puts on added pressure to you. If it's a hot lap generally I won't overtake and I'll sit on the bumper as I'll have caught them up in the lap, a good example was at maggoire last week when I literally sat on a bumper until I crossed the line to get my initial time in (Was a good first half of the lap and I'd given a 2+ second gap before even starting the lap which I'd caught up). But if you cause a massive queue there's going to be carnage in any lobby and I've seen that a few times.

You may think 'Tidgney you've never had that feeling' well I can disagree when I race in multi class and I'm in the lower class again knowing I would cause issues I will leave the pits 10/15 seconds later. The only exception to this would be if qualifying times tight in terms of the length of the session and then you have to really judge the map, who's close and who's in what car. Essentially qualifying smart can be sometimes better than being first out.

Race: I really don't understand anybody who thinks they can just push people or go for crazy dive bombs into corners. Even aliens get this done to them by other Aliens because they see themselves as better. It's something I really don't get, and something I really don't like. It's something I actually call people out on because there's no need for it and it's hugely disrespectful. You're not going to win every race, and there's always somebody faster! Even @TRL LIGHTNING would probably say there's always someone faster or at least the ability to go faster I imagine and I see lightening as currently the fastest GT Sport player and respect him a lot in terms of the videos and help he does bring to the community. I mean if you see me as an alien and I suppose I am I guess as I'm in the top 1%? I dunno but anyway I have people who just completely dive bomb me and I'll just avoid these players as I know in a real tournament you do that you're getting a penalty as I've been an adjudicator at live events. At the end of the day you treat people how you want to be treated... Maybe it's an age thing? Who knows, but I'll always try to race as clean and as fair as possible. Sometimes fairness is very opinionated and 50/50 again I had something like that recently but do your best, race clean and others will recognize this. If I do feel I'm faster than someone and you'll see it in my videos I still catch up to people and I'll treat them with respect in terms of the racing and I've had some fantastic races/battles with guys/girls I wouldn't normally race because usually we'd be at different ends of the grid.. Either me at the back and them at the front or the other way around.

Also nose cutting don't do it! Absolutely hate that and that happens a lot and then they blame the guy for being hit even though they were evidently on their inside!

Also just the final thing, a lot of players speak to each other so if you're an alien and your smashing and dive bombing you'll get a reputation as such and Karma can really come back to haunt people. I've seen some shocking things that people have sent me that 'aliens' have done in order for either them to win or to let their team mates win, literally actions which would result in bans or at least teams losing serious sponsorship.

Just race clean, and fair and have a good time !

Very well stated your opinion and thoughts, you‘re spot on. A great driver with a very decent attitude. Big Sportsman, therefore, thumbs up

 

[DJShadesUK]

This sounds less like a rant and more like a thinly veiled attempted brag...

Not really, its about the lack of racecraft exhibited by far too many players.

But, okay, I admit, the bit about beating Jenson Buttons time in a full motion F1 simulator was a brag!

 

[bmxmitch]

My right hand wrist is not OK so I can't drive as I did. Basically I can't go fast atm... I've tried again after the last UP (because I really wanted to drive the E30 M3) but I'm still not recovered. It sucks.

Damn, that sucks. I hope your back at full power soon!
But I'm sure, you're still faster than me, even if handicapt

 

[DJShadesUK]

Damn, that sucks. I hope your back at full power soon!
But I'm sure, you're still faster than me, even if handicapt

Handicapt? Is that Captain America if he ever ends up in a wheelchair?
I think you mean handicapped.

Edit: I appreciate English may not be your first language, I'm just messing with you.

 

[fastone371]

Whats with the ORMA thing? I have noticed many drivers whose names begin with ORMA and then change the second group of letters/word, is that 1 person using multiple profiles or a "group" of people/aliens?? I am B/S right now so I dont race with the fastest crowd but 1 thing that drives me nuts is that in the few FIA races I have raced players treat qualifying as a race. I see them recovering from a spin yet they will do what ever they can to screw up my lap, I just dont understand it. Do they just not know the goal is 1 fast lap to determine your starting position? Once you spin or go off course your lap is over, get out of the way. I managed to clear 1 guy recovering from an off and a couple turns later he misses his braking point and just wallops me mid-corner, this wasnt even the last turn before the start/finish line so its not like he was trying to build speed for his next attempt, hopefully this disappears somewhat as I move up. My DR moves up slowly because I like starting at the back un-qualified and driving thru the field. When I have a faster car approaching I hold my line and even slow up slightly to facilitate the pass even if its for position. When watching the race leader board if I can see someone gains a couple seconds a lap on me clearly he is faster, if I let him by easily we will both ultimately be faster. I have found out that when starting un-qualified you dont even need to be real fast to finish in the top 1/4 of the field, if you dont make mistakes and are consistent you can do just fine, until I move up I suppose.

 

[Mikail Hizal]

Whats with the ORMA thing? I have noticed many drivers whose names begin with ORMA and then change the second group of letters/word, is that 1 person using multiple profiles or a "group" of people/aliens?? I am B/S right now so I dont race with the fastest crowd but 1 thing that drives me nuts is that in the few FIA races I have raced players treat qualifying as a race. I see them recovering from a spin yet they will do what ever they can to screw up my lap, I just dont understand it. Do they just not know the goal is 1 fast lap to determine your starting position? Once you spin or go off course your lap is over, get out of the way. I managed to clear 1 guy recovering from an off and a couple turns later he misses his braking point and just wallops me mid-corner, this wasnt even the last turn before the start/finish line so its not like he was trying to build speed for his next attempt, hopefully this disappears somewhat as I move up. My DR moves up slowly because I like starting at the back un-qualified and driving thru the field. When I have a faster car approaching I hold my line and even slow up slightly to facilitate the pass even if its for position. When watching the race leader board if I can see someone gains a couple seconds a lap on me clearly he is faster, if I let him by easily we will both ultimately be faster. I have found out that when starting un-qualified you dont even need to be real fast to finish in the top 1/4 of the field, if you dont make mistakes and are consistent you can do just fine, until I move up I suppose.

ORMA is a team and the second "name" is your own name and shows that you are a member from its team like, TX3, TRL, Oscaro, JIM, TC, VP, F4H, etc

 

[adstomko]

If you're much slower than driver behind but are fighting for position, do your best to fight with them for position, but fairly. The faster driver should respect you and you should respect them. If you're a back marker however, move out the way as much as possible, particularly if two or more drivers are fighting for position. You don't want to be an influence on their race.

There is for sure arrogance amongst some elite players. Some are not used to overtake slower drivers and therefore lose patience by causing an incident on circuit - elite player's fault.

So, you're right. Arrogance exists. Heck, I've noticed in Top 24 Superstars races that a couple of drivers regularly do dirty moves or tactics, such as slowing down to reduce their penalty on the racing line right in front of another driver. A regular top 24 driver even took me out in a daily race because he couldn't accept that I performed the switch back overtake on him!

Arrogance and selfishness in GT Sport can be found not just towards slower drivers, but also towards other elite drivers
Just do your best to ignore them. They are the ones who don't have 'elite' racecraft

 

[bmxmitch]

Handicapt? Is that Captain America if he ever ends up in a wheelchair?
I think you mean handicapped.

Edit: I appreciate English may not be your first language, I'm just messing with you.

Haha, whoops

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

In warm-up and qualifying: if you are slower, let the faster person through so that you do not hold them up.

I disagree with this, if I'm on a PB lap in qualifying for an FIA race I don't care how fast you are I'm not moving over. It's the faster players responsibility to find clear track before they start their lap, if they mess that up it's not my problem. Obviously if I'm on a slow lap I get as far out the way as possible.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I'm only fast enough to be 1~2 seconds off the aliens and I'm still working on getting my racecraft back to my old level. I do know well enough that if I'm approaching a slower driver that I need to figure out where I'm better than them at and the best way to set up an overtake. The problem is that patience can backfire in shorter races and whenever someone behind takes advantage and gets ahead to start battling the other driver, slowing everyone down. Being familiar with a particular driver and their habits can help a lot but it's likely drivers may only be familiar with those with similar pace.

I do have to bring up the throttle mapping point here because the really fast guys can handle mashing the throttle on exit without spinning out. A slower driver may only be exiting at half throttle because that's all they can reliably use. I've seen a fair number of complaints post race of fast guys being held up on exit by slower drivers (and getting penalties for bumps) and all I can do is shake my head.

One option to make overtaking a bit easier is to increase slipstream effect (used to be much stronger in earlier versions of the game)... but the likely knock on effect of that would be to cause more carnage in the lower DR levels as people came in to braking zones with more speed.

I would not recommend this. This was something tried in a league in GT6 and all it did was increase frustration even further. Basically, if you weren't at least two seconds faster than someone else, you got overtaken by that slower driver every lap.

Qualifying: I get a little frustrated when for example if you're not the quickest car on circuit and you aim to be the first out the pits straight away you can cause a real pile up/queue behind and that can start off a really bad atmosphere. Now I don't mean if you're 1 or 2 tenths but if you clearly know you're 1 or 2 seconds off the pace then I'd recommend you go out after the initial charge. Just leave it 10/15 seconds rather than racing to be first out. There will be much more space to give you and anyone else room. Personally if I get stuck behind someone on the out lap and I can clearly see I'm quicker (I mean significantly quicker as well here) I will go for the move (Cleanly though of course). Some may see this as aggravation but generally speaking if someone is on your tail in the out lap and it's happened to me as well I'll literally let them go. The worst thing that can happen is that your qualification lap is compromised because a car goes for the overtake, or puts on added pressure to you. If it's a hot lap generally I won't overtake and I'll sit on the bumper as I'll have caught them up in the lap, a good example was at maggoire last week when I literally sat on a bumper until I crossed the line to get my initial time in (Was a good first half of the lap and I'd given a 2+ second gap before even starting the lap which I'd caught up). But if you cause a massive queue there's going to be carnage in any lobby and I've seen that a few times.

You may think 'Tidgney you've never had that feeling' well I can disagree when I race in multi class and I'm in the lower class again knowing I would cause issues I will leave the pits 10/15 seconds later. The only exception to this would be if qualifying times tight in terms of the length of the session and then you have to really judge the map, who's close and who's in what car. Essentially qualifying smart can be sometimes better than being first out.

I wish qualifying was set differently than what it is right now because it can get rather messy. It's an exercise of dodging cars warming up trying to drop back or leave a gap while constantly checking the rear view if holding back someone faster. Frustrations from qualifying can spill into the race, especially if a really fast driver is much further back than they should be.

 

[GhostChild]

I restarted my game prior to joining that race to avoid the bug Your ID is El_GhostChild, right? Can't really remember seeing you tho

Yes that's my PSN, Spanish flag.. Classified 9th and stayed 6th - 7th during the race. I had Nissman in front and behind all the race. But I messed up it near the end. It was a very clean race in general. The game didn't allow me to save the replay.

 

[Tidgney]

Well said... exactly how it should be 👍

Interesting you say you think Lightning is top dog ATM... you think he's faster than Ti-Tech/Shooter/Holl01 for example?



S/S =/= Alien... but some people seem to think they are some sort of super star when they get there.

Massive difference between bottom of SS and top of SS!!

Currently I'd say yes , but it's so tight up there it's anyones guess and I respect them all in terms of performance. If I just managed my time a bit more and did maybe a bit less youtube and BOP testing I'd like to hope I could get back up there with those guys haha! I remember after 1 GT Academy it was me, Holl01 and Immortal fighting for top spot. Was a weird one though as it was a custom track and a GTR with SRF on but hey, fightings fighting haha!

Very well stated your opinion and thoughts, you‘re spot on. A great driver with a very decent attitude. Big Sportsman, therefore, thumbs up

Very kind, thanks !

 

[Mr616]

@PirovacBoy Great thoughts!

I'm often watching streams of some YT/GT stars well known here and I can say (my opinion) that only @Tidgney is example of racing superstar and sportsmen in one!

Slower drivers DO exist and if they are in front, they aren't only ghosts, like many of aliens are imaging them...

@Tidgney is an example for everybody in this community on how to race properly. No ego. Fast but respectful. Doesn't jump on bandwagon and is never moaning about thing within the game, even if he disagrees.

Model racer and a true elite, alien, pro.

I to have seen plenty of bad racing etiquette from 'high' rank players who think they have device rights.

@PirovacBoy yes I agree that some do race differently amongst themselves and look down on slower drivers. Fast does not equal good racing. I agree with you apart from, you are not slow! You're another fast guy with no ego.

 

[simsimsheree]

I am afraid that the issue of inconsiderate alien drivers boils down, as it always does, to Sport Mode's complete inability to detect fault. Inconsiderate drivers understand this and leverage it to their advantage. Properly stewarded League racing does not allow contact and a gain of advantage by the trailing car no matter HOW much faster his lap times are. However, yes, blocking moves must ONLY be legal ones, but a decent League driver also understands that blocking a much faster driver for any length of time allows the guy behind the faster driver to catch you BOTH and put you in even more jeopardy of losing further positions. So the smart driver finds a spot where he loses next to no time allowing the faster car to pass, then tucks in and gets the draft help to extend his lead over the next trailing car.

Mind you, there is always the question... What is that MUCH faster driver doing behind you in the first place? Unless you are being lapped (in which case you should ALWAYS get out of the way as soon as possible somewhere it doesn't slow you massively down), if he's behind you he qualified behind you, or got into it and had a wreck earlier. In which case, the trailing car is expected to treat the car ahead with equal respect whether faster or slower.

I still believe automated stewarding is an abject failure, and the sooner we get back to well hosted rooms as the primary venue for clean racing, the better. It worked for years in GT5/6. If we want respectful, clean racing in GTS, we MUST abandon Sport Mode.