The beginning of time.

[LoudMusic]

I just want to pick up on a couple of things


When was pork not safe? The Romans were stuffing their faces on boar 2000 years ago! It was the staple diet for the ancient britons as well...mmmm roast pig lovely.

Yeah try like 10,000 years ago. The people didn't know how to preserve or clean the animals they were eating. At that time those animals were suspect to carry diseases lethal to humans that could not be cured.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Bah I know I'll get into another crazy discussion that will fade from the time subject that this thread is. Bah I already did!

Yeah...you mentioned ghosts

I don't dismiss things out of hand...I have interests in all kinds of things, but I do like to see some evidence. The more I look into ghosts the more convinced I am that there is no truth in it ( I should say very little truth as never say never ) But if you search the web for any "authentic" ghost stories, all you find are stories and faked up pics. Séances and talking to the dead is exploitation as far as I can see...it preys on the vulnerable.

You are more than welcome to PM me if you think you can convince me otherwise, or even better, if you have any evidence that is not anecdotal

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Yeah try like 10,000 years ago. The people didn't know how to preserve or clean the animals they were eating. At that time those animals were suspect to carry diseases lethal to humans that could not be cured.

err..how old do you think the bible is?

and ancient Britons = Stone Age Man

 

[LoudMusic]

err..how old do you think the bible is?

and ancient Britons = Stone Age Man

I would say the stories from the Bible are pretty damn old. Like I said in my long ass post, it went generations before it was writen down.

Britan isn't where the Bible was writen, now was it? And I would imagine that different animals lived in different areas, along with different diseases.

 

[Acid X]

I have read this whole thread so far and am glad tos ee lots of people who believe in the same sort of thing, but not all in the same thing.

The world might have been created by some sort of powerful figure, aka God, or it could have been the big bang. If there is a god, and there is most likely some sort of God-like power out there, then good. Theres some truth to the bible. Im sure there actually is alot of truth in some areas. The only thing i think would be horrible would be if the bible was actually discovered to be 100% fake, made up stories. It would be like a downfall in society. Lots of problems would occur, im sure.

Anyway, i too have thought about time travel (to whomever was talking about this earlier). If you think about it, time travel back to the past could be ultimately the death of alot of people. I mean, say you travel back in time and when you land/appear wherever on the ground or in a building, you step on a bug that wasnt meant to be stepped on. Sure, you may think this doesnt change much, but your wrong. I mean, whos to say some little kid wont come along and pick it up and eat it, unknowing of the diseases it may carry? What then happens if this kid gets a small sickness? If this kid was back in the olden times like the earlier 1800's or even the 1700s, he could probably DIE from this sickness. Even worse, what happens if this turns out to actually be YOUR great great (times 10) grandfather? You wouldnt even exist anymore. WHat happens if you were to save someones life earlier when you were young, but you went and killed your grandfather and you werent there to save them?

Sure this might be a little extreme, but time travel back into the past is ultimately dangerous. Anyone who is able to get a time machine to go back in the past is a fackin idiot, only because of the sheer danger of screwing so much up.

A friend of mine once told me this story about a secret government test of time travel.. He had said that there was a ship out on the water that was supposedly equipped with this time travel thing that they wouldnt know would work. HE said that they conducted the test, and after a few moments the whole ship and crew actually dissapeared, only to re-appear 10 minutes later. The men on the ship had all aged about 20 years, and some of the men actually became part of the ship, meaning they were EMBEDED in the hull of the ship! Most likely not true, but who's to say this cant happen?

Weird things happen, and when it comes to things like religion or otherwise, theres always some sort of problem, or some sort of theory, etc... Yup.

Didnt mean to babble. I should be in bed.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Sure this might be a little extreme, but time travel back into the past is ultimately dangerous. Anyone who is able to get a time machine to go back in the past is a fackin idiot, only because of the sheer danger of screwing so much up.

What you are talking about here is causality violation...cause and effect. If you went back in time to kill your great grandfather, then you would not exist, so how could you have gone back in time Thats the violation, its a puzzle alright!

A friend of mine once told me this story about a secret government test of time travel.. He had said that there was a ship out on the water that was supposedly equipped with this time travel thing that they wouldnt know would work. HE said that they conducted the test, and after a few moments the whole ship and crew actually dissapeared, only to re-appear 10 minutes later. The men on the ship had all aged about 20 years, and some of the men actually became part of the ship, meaning they were EMBEDED in the hull of the ship! Most likely not true, but who's to say this cant happen?

What you mention here is the Philadelphia Experiment first documented in 1955. Although the date of the incident could have been as early as 1943 They were either trying to make the ship invisible using Einsteins unified field theory, or invisible to magnetic mines using degaussing, time travel got added much later. It seems most likely to be myth, as the name of the ship is unknown.
Heres a link to the goverment site, if you want to read the "official version"

 

[Anaconda]

Most interesting. I must read upon it sounds strange to me.

 

[Famine]

What you are talking about here is causality violation...cause and effect. If you went back in time to kill your great grandfather, then you would not exist, so how could you have gone back in time Thats the violation, its a puzzle alright!

Is it just me, or are all time-travellers seemingly fratricidal?

If I were to go back in time, I wouldn't suddenly be seized by the compulsion to kill various elderly relatives of mine, would I?

What you mention here is the Philadelphia Experiment first documented in 1955. Although the date of the incident could have been as early as 1943 They were either trying to make the ship invisible using Einsteins unified field theory, or invisible to magnetic mines using degaussing, time travel got added much later. It seems most likely to be myth, as the name of the ship is unknown.
Heres a link to the goverment site, if you want to read the "official version"

In actual fact, AcidX's mate was recounting to him the plot of a film and hoping he wouldn't notice.

The Philadelphia Experiment.

Everything he described appears in that film.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Is it just me, or are all time-travellers seemingly fratricidal?

So true...its the first thing they think of...and the next thing is matricide...

Yes I tried to avoid metioning the film Philidelphia Experiment Alot of the new myths like the time travel were added after that film (was there book first?)

Something odd did happen, but since no one can say what ship it was, and there is no evidence since the bombing of Pearl harbour (allegedly that is where the ship was moored) it has turned into a supermyth!
Personally I think it was an early prototype for a nuclear powered ship, there was an accident and some sailors were killed. It got covered up due to nuclear secrecy at the time. Nuclear reactors are the precursor to nuclear bombs, so it was pre 1945 when the US first experimented with them. I raise this theory as some of the first accounts of the Phil. Exp. mentioned injuries on the sailors that are consistent with radiation burns. Also the nausea and hair loss. But these early accounts were written in 1955...well after the event...so maybe its all rubbish

 

[Anaconda]

Here is a little more information as well.

http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html
The last part was kind of freaky about the creature eating equipment and people. But of course its all in conspiracy theory type so I dont know if its believable for me,
http://www.crystalinks.com/phila.html

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Here is a little more information as well.

http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html
The last part was kind of freaky about the creature eating equipment and people. But of course its all in conspiracy theory type so I dont know if its believable for me,
http://www.crystalinks.com/phila.html

At one point a creature came through and everyone went into a panic. They shut the transmitter off. The creature ate people and equipment. They had to go back and shut down the unit in Philadelphia in order to shut off the unit in the future so they could stop this creature in 1983. This was on August 12,1983. The vortex locked on to the 12 August 1943 test and formed a loop.

Whilst that made me laugh, and I assume there was a murder investigation for the deaths of those people All I can say is "Magic Mushrooms"

You might want to check your sources a little more thoroughly next time, my friend That is an unofficial website called "Ellie Crystal's Metaphysical and Science Website" and Ellie claims to be a Psychic..(hmmm) Also every time I read Metaphysical, I grimmace..I had to write an essay on it once...

 

[87chevy]

Beginning of Time..... who cares! it's all in the past! I'd rather know about the END of time!

 

[Famine]

The end of time, if it comes at all (Theory of the Universe #2) will either involve entropy winning - all the structures in the universe will collapse and become nothing, so that the net average amount of organised matter/energy in any given point in the universe is nil (Theory of the Universe #3) - or a Gnab Gib (Theory of the Universe #1).

This is why the Beginning of Time is more interesting. It is something we can postulate on. The End of Time is less interesting because, whoever's right, we're all *****d.

 

[Blake]

I love that last sentence Famine, it says all that needs to be said.

 

[T100]

What you mention here is the Philadelphia Experiment first documented in 1955. Although the date of the incident could have been as early as 1943 They were either trying to make the ship invisible using Einsteins unified field theory, or invisible to magnetic mines using degaussing, time travel got added much later. It seems most likely to be myth, as the name of the ship is unknown.
Heres a link to the goverment site, if you want to read the "official version"

I always thought that they were trying to teleport the ship. The story goes that they did do it and matter intertwined. Other words arms and bodies were inbeded inside the walls of the ship

 

[Tacet_Blue]

I always thought that they were trying to teleport the ship. The story goes that they did do it and matter intertwined. Other words arms and bodies were inbeded inside the walls of the ship

Yes teleport and invisibility are part of the "story", but the story lacks any evidence

I've looked a bit further...and the Ship is alleged to be the USS Eldridge. However the complete deck logs, WWII action report and war diary coverage is available for this ship on micro film, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log, and you've guessed it...no mention of any invisibility /teleport experiment

After many years of searching, the staff of the Operational Archives and independent researchers have not located any official documents that support the assertion that an invisibility or teleportation experiment involving a Navy ship occurred at Philadelphia or any other location.

Pic of the USS Eldridge

 

[Danoff]

all the structures in the universe will collapse and become nothing, so that the net average amount of organised matter/energy in any given point in the universe is nil

That doesn't take into account people existing - keeping structures in place and keeping things working. What's to say that when stars start to fizzle out we can't just go make our own star from the matter of dead stars and dispersed gas? What's to say we can't go around collecting matter and energy and keep things going?

 

[240Z]

I always find it funny how people like to quote the bible like God wrote it or something. The sad fact is that the bible was made 540 years after Jesus died. It was created as a form of control of the people at the time. Not to mention ,the bible wasn't written then... just created. Like many of you have said above, the blible is a bunch of short stories, many of them written before Jesus was even born. What really gets me going is the fact that about twice of what is in the bible was excluded. A huge amount of text that was written by people closest to Jesus which would change the preception of what the Catholic church wanted Jesus to seem like. After all a God like figure is alot more powerful than a man and sense control is what the church was after it only made sense to put in what they felt would drive THEIR point home.

Not to mention the divinity of Jesus (i.e. Jesus=God) was determined by a vote (the Nicean council, I believe).

Evolution pretty much accounts for most everything. I have noticed it reflected in society, technology, even religion itself. Christianity has survived for so long because it has made itself the most appealing religion throughout history. Even now, what some people see as a "softening" of the church is a response to the lax religious values in our society, making the chruch more appealing to "regular" people, not just the hard core. Christianity has many built-in statements specifically designed to ensure its survival. An example of this would be "God cannot be proven, because he is nothing without faith."

Another, more literal example, would be a Jewish community that existed in biblical times. I forgot the name, but they had a colony near the caves where the Dead Sea scrolls were found. They were extremely pious, so pious, in fact, that they didn't believe in sex for any purpose. Predictably, they died out, literally, in that since they didn't believe in sex, they were not contributing to their own numbers, except through converts.

 

[Blake]

Yeah, I have heard of those people. I can't help but laugh at the stupidity...

I agree that the Church does just evolve to keep itself alive, I mean so much was changed in the VaticanII to keep the religion appealing, I mean who would go to church nowadays if it was in Latin, really? It also makes the religion look like it's making things up as it goes along.