The Driving Purists Club. No Mods, No Tweaks, Just Pure Driving.

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I would never limit myself to one kind of driving in the GT series. The beauty of it for me is you can take cars off the showroom floor, slap a coat of paint on them and take them to the track. Or you can throw a bunch of money on it and make it faster with the same stock setup. Or you can try your hand at tuning and squeezing every last bit of performance from a car. I like all 3 and bounce around from one to the other regularly. Lately I have no time to race so I've been tuning and running laps for @mike_gt3 's Nurburgring Lap Board, mostly in showroom stock cars. I'd be interested in a club if that's what this is about.

I'd be in this camp.:cheers:
 
Tuning prohibited all the way! No aids and cockpit cam too. A nice set of headphones adds to a nifty immersion experience especially with all HUD off around the Ring.


Heck I add my weight in ballast upon every purchase. But tires for street cars is strictly comfort. CH for any older ride. I wish there was an even less grippy tire for vintage. But CM has become my go to choice for the vast majority of street. CS only for exotic level performance. SH gets the nod when the comfort tire screaming gets too harsh on heavier exotics. Sport tires I reserve for Tuner type rides, I've yet to even use SS tires in GT6.

Granted I've only been running Arcade races and career mode so far. Been treating the races like track days, doing my best not to contact other cars or dive bombing etc... With the yawn inducing AI it's the only way to make things interesting.

So far the only tuning has been some ballast shifting forward on some tricky MR's. However the M4 and R8 GT3's are a handful. Especially the R8. It's hard to believe that car will lose it's rear grip at 40-50 mph. So those are getting some tweaks.

I just don't have the gaming time I once did so jumping in a stock car and not spending hours tweaking is how it is these days. Of course that lands me directly in the Driving Purist camp!
 
Yep, I'm a purist too. The only thing I change on my cars are the rims, not even an oil change. I only tune unless it's absolutely necessary.
 
Start an atctual club, Ill join and help! Maybe some racing rooms and track day free run! (suggestions 💡:gtpflag:)

Great thread though, lets hope it keeps alive!!!:cheers:

I can't myself as i'm busy with 3 racing series a week :lol: but this thread could become something 💡
 
Yup, I do the very same thing...I like the cars as they are.

Yesterday I started to do the latest Seasonal Events and I got very frustrated because the gold times now are almost impossible to do with stock cars...which pisses me off.

I like when you just needed skills (pure driving) to get the gold times using the stock cars as they are (in this case with the only one I could beat gold was with the Infinity, which comes tuned but stock as you buy it...so you do nothing to it).

Now you need to know how to tune the cars and you are forced to do so (which is fun and part of the driving experience of course) but for me it was always about the mere driving with certain cars, plain and simple buy them and drive them...get better with what you have and understand the cars.

There is nothing better than trying to be competitive with the very same conditions (as in the GT Academy for example) and not depending in how you can do this or that to beat the others. (though that works in real life but not using "unrealistic" tunes/setups/changes like in the game)

And don´t come at me saying "oh man, learn to tune" or whatever, to me is simple...if I buy a 200HP car is because I want it to be 200HP.
(just in case, I know how to tune is not rocket science, but I refuse to do it)

Beat me at driving not at tuning. ;)
 
The flaw in this 'stock driving logic' is that unless you ALSO mimick the proper driving aids that are stock on the car you are driving (if any are present) you are actually NOT driving the car as you would in real life.

While a number of 'driving aid optioned cars' do allow turing off SOME of the features - most do not.

When was the last time you climbed into an ordinary ABS equipped car in real life and reached over for the 'disable ABS' button?

The point here fellas is that TRACK driving is totally different to fast STREET driving. The majority of these STREET cars we like to go 'drive stock' actually are piss poor tyre squealing brake boiling sidewall scrubbing suspension bottoming bags of squirrel nuts right out of the box.

That is why they got them that ABS and T/C malarky from the factory.

So - back to my 'yeah you CLAIM to drive stock but you don't' rant - if you are turning off all aids for cars that came with NONE from the factory then great you are BADA$$ ;)

A better and more representative showing would be to grab a stock car, turn ON the correct aids that represent that car (if it came with ABS) and then set the TC/AH to the REALISTIC minimum the stock car can be set to in real life (if so equipped) THEN install the type of TRACK DAY tyre (Sports Soft does a good job of replicating MPS Cups) you would probably be encouraged to do for that thrash around your favourite local club black top.

Now you would be driving something closer to what you would in real life on track. ABS and irritating TC that cant be turned off 100% included.

:)
 
GT6 driving aids do not represent real life at all, not even ABS works like it would in real life, ABS in GT6 is just a glorified brake assist with hidden stability aid.
 
GT6 driving aids do not represent real life at all, not even ABS works like it would in real life, ABS in GT6 is just a glorified brake assist with hidden stability aid.

And turning it off totally is still not accurate. The point is that the car in reallife cannot be driven in normal stock form without some sort of intervention between youand the road.

The presence of this intervention does change the cars behaviour - period.

My 600rwhp/3000lb street car comes with ABS from the factory - the entire ABS/TC/AH system developed some issues abotu 4 years back that I never bothered getting fixed - so I drive sans ABS/TC/AH in real life all the time.

The point is that the car with ABS on and TC/AH off STILL had some intervention between ME and the road - it behaved a certain way when being pushed hard - my driving style HAD to be adapted to take this intervention into account.

Since the ABS system went on the fritz is no longer intervenes at all - and as such MY driving style had to be adjusted to cater for the change in the car.

IOW, my car behaves differently than an ABS eqipped car.

Driving my ABS-delete care is NOT the same as the rest of the ABS equipped models.

So driving my car is not representative of the others.

Ergo, driving an ABS-delete car in game is NOT representative of that car in real life with ABS - whether the ABS modeling in GT6 is correct or not.

I guess a simple summary of what I am attempting to get across is that the idea of 'stock test driving' needs to take all of the features of the game/car into account - otherwise it is not really a 'stock test drive'. *shrug*
 
I also stick to the cars on a stock state.

Even online in races with PPs and tires limits above my cars stock level, i dont care if i dont have a wining chance, i prefer to enjoy the cars as they are.


Heck I add my weight in ballast upon every purchase. But tires for street cars is strictly comfort.

I believe that there's no point adding your weight to the car, doesn't make much sense to me that they would make the physics as detailed as they are so in the end they'd ignore the pilots weight. I'm sure they add a standard value for the pilots weight.
 
Good points Ridox2JZGTE & RC45 !

If some of the cars are just not right, no matter aids or settings, they should be reset to what they should be, instead of taking whatever PD has thrown at us. Or, such 'purist' mindset might probably be restricted within a bunch of inherently healthy cars.
 
Great posts guys. I'm yet to try ABS 0 in GT6, but I hear it's better than the GT5 instant lock ups.

Anyone got any favourite bone stock driving cars? For me the Lotus Evora is a hoot.
 
Great posts guys. I'm yet to try ABS 0 in GT6, but I hear it's better than the GT5 instant lock ups.

Anyone got any favourite bone stock driving cars? For me the Lotus Evora is a hoot.

I just drove a Spoon S2000 stock at the Nurb yesterday and it's about as perfectly balanced as a car can get. I had a lot of fun there with the Enzo. SRT Challenger is a fun heavy car to drive, no ABS lets you dial out the inherent slight understeer with BB. Zonda C12 was just about perfect out of the box. Any RX-7/RX-8. Miata's. Ton's of great stock cars.

NoABS in GT6 with standard brakes is light years ahead of GT5 especially after the recent update. You can run much higher numbers now and not lock up, or push them even higher to the point where you can risk locking up with excessive pressure. Much easier to drive and trail brake, although you are still on your toes!
 
All you got to do in a real car is find the fuse box and remove the fuse or relay for abs,that will disable it.
 
Great posts guys. I'm yet to try ABS 0 in GT6, but I hear it's better than the GT5 instant lock ups.

Anyone got any favourite bone stock driving cars? For me the Lotus Evora is a hoot.
That's a coincidence, I was running an Evora today for a while. Ran it on CM's with some ballast up front. Lively car after some practice I finally got a feel for it. So many fun stock street cars...I've even spent time with Euro hot hatches. They feel so much nicer than GT5.
 
Stock Honda Civic Type R '08 ( FD2 ) on comfort soft with no ABS, set BB to 6/7 - this car is one of the best FF IMO :) I built a replica of TODA RACING Fightex Civic Type R '08 FD2 Demo car, and it's even more fun with extra power and torque as well as excellent suspension. When I made replica or tune, I always maintain weight distribution or correct it according to real life spec ( prefer to maintain real car characteristics ). Most of my replica drive just as great as a stock one, the MAZDA Roadster Turbo (NB) replica is a prove of this, with as close as possible setup ( suspension + LSD + weight + power/torque ) to the real one - I consider it another stock car :lol:

IMO changing weight distribution unlike the real spec has more impact than changing suspension or LSD.
 
Okay @Furinkazen you've drummed up some interest..now what?:lol:
I have, didn't expect this :lol:

I suppose this has potential for something bigger...
Start an atctual club, Ill join and help! Maybe some racing rooms and track day free run! (suggestions 💡:gtpflag:)

Great thread though, lets hope it keeps alive!!!:cheers:


I used to run 2 stock car events. If anyone wants to take some ideas from them & set something up, they'll be more than welcome to.

Saturday Stock Car Series & Stock Club


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I do this on a case-by-case basis. For instance, I turn off all aids (ABS 0, suggested gear, HUD), drive with just a view from inside the car--clutch and all. It really UPS the challenge. I recently restarted a career with the 86GT(purist mode initiated--stock ) with those settings. I love it!
 
I would never limit myself to one kind of driving in the GT series. The beauty of it for me is you can take cars off the showroom floor, slap a coat of paint on them and take them to the track. Or you can throw a bunch of money on it and make it faster with the same stock setup. Or you can try your hand at tuning and squeezing every last bit of performance from a car. I like all 3 and bounce around from one to the other regularly.

Me too (MiTo :D), but I'd like to add one thing: Sometimes I like to tune my cars for other purposes than improving performance. Like an AMG Mercedes that you want to de-tune to take it back to what it was before AMG got their hands on it, for instance.
 
Every single street car I feel like driving or bought new is taken on an Obligatory Ring Lap on sports hard tyres.
 
I really enjoy driving stock cars aswell, however I dont enjoy it as much/at all when a car has a completely wrong engine sound (Enzo, Mclaren F1 etc...) :(
 
I have limited myself to only a few manufacturers in order to limit the number of cars I work with. I then buy four of every car. The first is kept stock and I have different levels of tunes for the others going from "mildly interesting" to "are you insane?".

Yes, few things beat the pleasure of battling the grip limit on the stock tyres a car came with ...and in particular CS tyres. But sorry, every once in a while the Keiichi Tsuchiya in me needs to be satisfied and I just HAVE to boss a grip monster around some epic track ...notably Fuji, Nordschleife or Spa-Francorchamps. We are people ...we are multi-faceted beings ...life is short ...I WANT IT ALL!
 
All you got to do in a real car is find the fuse box and remove the fuse or relay for abs,that will disable it.

Except in that very same real-life car the brake bias is managed by the ABS, so what you essentially would have created is a car that is nothing the way the engineers intended. It will be an interesting ride none the less.
 

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