The Eurovision Song Contest... oh the humanity!

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It's official, voting in the Eurovision Song Contest is dominated by collusive voting and neighbourly pacts... :eek: Published recently in the esteemed "Journal of Artificial Societies and Social Simulation", this paper by Derek Gatherer provides the most in-depth study yet into voting patterns in the Eurovision Song Contest. Some of the 'Discussion' sections in the paper are great, it's well worth a read :D

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Figure 1. Venn diagrams of collusive voting partnerships, significant at the 5% level, for a 5-year window between 2001 and 2005. NL: Netherlands, BE: Belgium, ES: Spain, AD: Andorra, TR: Turkey, BH: Bosnia-Herzegovina, HR: Croatia, SL: Slovenia, MK: Macedonia, AL: Albania, CS: Serbia and Montenegro, GR: Greece, CY: Cyprus, RO: Romania, PL: Poland, UA: Ukraine, RU: Russian Federation, LI: Lithuania, LA: Latvia, EE: Estonia, FI: Finland, SE: Sweden, DK: Denmark, NO: Norway, IS: Iceland. Notice the core of the Balkan Bloc is a 3-way alliance of the former Yugoslav republics of CS, HR and MK (pink)

For those of you who don't know what the Eurovision Song Contest is, it is an annual musical celebration of our European brotherhood, a contest that pits the musical (amateur) talents of nation v nation, whilst at the same time promoting continental unity and togetherness...
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In reality, however, there are some sinister undertones...
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Many people suspect (if indeed it wasn't stark-staringly obvious), that politics were playing a more significant role than the actual music (evinced by the fact that the votes garnered by some nations bore no reflection on the fact that their songs stank to high heaven). The paper reveals that the most consistent collusive pact is that of Greece and Cyprus, (For the past 4 years, each nation has awarded the other the maximum points possible....) but that the largest bloc of collusive nations is the so-called 'Balkan Bloc', with Bosnia-Herzegovina tipped to be this year's victors... (you heard it here first!)

For us here in the UK, things came to a head in 2004, in the wake of the UK decision to go to war in Iraq with our US (note, non-European) allies. The UK, for the first time in it's history, received 'nil points', for an admittedly dismal performance. However, allegedly the monitor speakers were switched off prior to the UK performance, which meant that the performers couldn't hear themselves sing. Unfortunately, the rest of Europe could :sick: The UK public immediately suspected foul-play was to blame for the totally off-key performance. Commentator Terry Wogan even suggested a connection to Iraq, stopping short of making the other connection that Turkey happened to win that year as well (see section 4.7 of the paper). But some may argue that the UK only has itself to blame, since, as you will notice from the paper, that the original collusive pact was between the UK and France (from 1975-1980, presumably at the expense of the Germans).

So what should be done to this beloved institution? Should it be allowed to continue, should it be judged by a neutral jury of non-Europeans, or should it be scrapped altogether?? Does anyone actually enjoy the music (really) or do you just love to hate it? I think the term 'post-ironic' was invented to described the Eurovision Song Contest, hence why it continues to enjoy (massive) appeal across the continent... what do you think?
 
For as long as I can remember, Greece and Cyprus have given eachother full points. It's quite amusing.
 
Mr Derek Gatherer has far too much spare time on his hands - he should perhaps spend it doing a GT4 lap times comparison spreadsheet instead :sly:
 
haha, you don't need to study the Eurovision Song Contest to know that there are alliances, its so obvious.

I'm kinda looking forward to this years song contest for Finland's entry. a metal band called Lordi that dress as monster. lol
 
Sting
haha, you don't need to study the Eurovision Song Contest to know that there are alliances, its so obvious.

I'm kinda looking forward to this years song contest for Finland's entry. a metal band called Lordi that dress as monster. lol


Sounds like GWAR.
 
Somehow I'm not surprised that our contestant was the first one to be mentioned... :lol:

They will get zero points or be very near to win the entire competition, I think.
 
Greycap
Somehow I'm not surprised that our contestant was the first one to be mentioned... :lol:

They will get zero points or be very near to win the entire competition, I think.

What surprised me is that they went is a heavy metal band of Lordi instead of Nightwish. I know Nightwish have now lost their singer, but if they were to enter for Finland, I reckon Nightwish would be their best chance to win.

Once again the UK will probably be at rock bottom.
 
Do the other Eurpoean nations have problems with popular bands entering becaus ethey fear their reputation will be ruined if they screw up?
 
ExigeExcel
Do the other Eurpoean nations have problems with popular bands entering becaus ethey fear their reputation will be ruined if they screw up?

The Eurovision (why isn't it the Euroaural?) is a bit like the Olympics - open to amateurs only :sly:
 
Touring Mars
It's official, voting in the Eurovision Song Contest is dominated by collusive voting and neighbourly pacts... :eek: Published recently in the esteemed "Journal of Artificial Societies and Social Simulation", this paper by Derek Gatherer provides the most in-depth study yet into voting patterns in the Eurovision Song Contest. Some of the 'Discussion' sections in the paper are great, it's well worth a read :D

fig2.gif

Figure 1. Venn diagrams of collusive voting partnerships, significant at the 5% level, for a 5-year window between 2001 and 2005. NL: Netherlands, BE: Belgium, ES: Spain, AD: Andorra, TR: Turkey, BH: Bosnia-Herzegovina, HR: Croatia, SL: Slovenia, MK: Macedonia, AL: Albania, CS: Serbia and Montenegro, GR: Greece, CY: Cyprus, RO: Romania, PL: Poland, UA: Ukraine, RU: Russian Federation, LI: Lithuania, LA: Latvia, EE: Estonia, FI: Finland, SE: Sweden, DK: Denmark, NO: Norway, IS: Iceland. Notice the core of the Balkan Bloc is a 3-way alliance of the former Yugoslav republics of CS, HR and MK (pink)

For those of you who don't know what the Eurovision Song Contest is, it is an annual musical celebration of our European brotherhood, a contest that pits the musical (amateur) talents of nation v nation, whilst at the same time promoting continental unity and togetherness...
love-smiley-011.gif
In reality, however, there are some sinister undertones...
violent-smiley-035.gif
Many people suspect (if indeed it wasn't stark-staringly obvious), that politics were playing a more significant role than the actual music (evinced by the fact that the votes garnered by some nations bore no reflection on the fact that their songs stank to high heaven). The paper reveals that the most consistent collusive pact is that of Greece and Cyprus, (For the past 4 years, each nation has awarded the other the maximum points possible....) but that the largest bloc of collusive nations is the so-called 'Balkan Bloc', with Bosnia-Herzegovina tipped to be this year's victors... (you heard it here first!)

For us here in the UK, things came to a head in 2004, in the wake of the UK decision to go to war in Iraq with our US (note, non-European) allies. The UK, for the first time in it's history, received 'nil points', for an admittedly dismal performance. However, allegedly the monitor speakers were switched off prior to the UK performance, which meant that the performers couldn't hear themselves sing. Unfortunately, the rest of Europe could :sick: The UK public immediately suspected foul-play was to blame for the totally off-key performance. Commentator Terry Wogan even suggested a connection to Iraq, stopping short of making the other connection that Turkey happened to win that year as well (see section 4.7 of the paper). But some may argue that the UK only has itself to blame, since, as you will notice from the paper, that the original collusive pact was between the UK and France (from 1975-1980, presumably at the expense of the Germans).

So what should be done to this beloved institution? Should it be allowed to continue, should it be judged by a neutral jury of non-Europeans, or should it be scrapped altogether?? Does anyone actually enjoy the music (really) or do you just love to hate it? I think the term 'post-ironic' was invented to described the Eurovision Song Contest, hence why it continues to enjoy (massive) appeal across the continent... what do you think?

Nothing - The Eurovision Song Contest licks more balls than a dog - and always has...

Besides.. Is anyone surprised ?
 
It must be fixed. Who would otherwise have awarded our own Jemini with Nul Points?
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Yes, that seems to be a European-style maneuvre called 'The Partial Benelux'...

I'm just wondering how Britain is to get involved in one of these collusive voting blocs, since it is quite apparent that we need to get some sort of help... Perhaps we will make some friends at the World Cup...? No, wait...
 
ExigeExcel
Do the other Eurpoean nations have problems with popular bands entering becaus ethey fear their reputation will be ruined if they screw up?
No. Belgium has Kate Ryan, Sweden has Carola, Spain has, ahem, Las Ketchup. All of these are at least known out in Europe, at least to my knowledge.

Admittedly, there are a lot of great songs this year. I like the Danish, the Belgian, the Russian, the Macedonian, the Estonian, the Finnish, the Icelandic, the Ukrainian and the British entries. Sorta gives away what kind of taste I have. And who I might vote for. It sort of comes down to the show each contestant presents.

I don't like Portugal's entry. It gets -4/10 from me. No, that's not a typo. The Spanish entry is boring, so is the French. Sweden has a singer that's better than the song, the Germans like David Hasselhoff, and Belarus' entry is badly executed.

And the Armenian entry is not a bad debut. Most others are just plain songs, with not particular features to stand out of the crowd.

Now, if you take a look at the chart at the top of this thread, you'll see my tastes sort of fits into the alliance scheme people always think is the reason for the biased voting. My tastes are somewhat similar to the taste most people here have. Which goes without saying that spesific regions have spesific tastes.

BTW; I'm wishing good luck to both the Finnish and the Icelandic entries - both are either in the hits or in the ditch. Especially the Finnish (which countries boycotted this song again?)
 
The UK is the loner of the whole darn thing, heck, we don't even get a maxinum from Ireland anymore... :guilty:
 
Hahaha, can't wait for the presenters to speak after they have wrecked the whole evening...
 
I wouldn't even say that the contest song is metal, just hard rock as the lyrics say too. Hard Rock Hallelujah!

(I'm not a fan but I'll surely cheer for them!) :)
 
Impreza04
Your going to watch it.... :crazy:
For scientific purposes only - yes. I'll be on the look out for further evidence of collusive voting... and pizza.
 
One word:

eurotrash.

I'm going for the Latvian accapela ensemble. They must be good, imagine, they can practice anywhere at any time!
 
We are quite prone to drinking heavily whilst watching the Eurovision. Something we have in common with the UK commentator, Terry Wogan. We'll mark according to our own criteria, such as "The song was rubbish, but they make good cars there and the girl was cute: 8/12".

It's a reasonable way to pass an evening.
 
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