The fastest people in GT....

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Stotty
In my experience, the very fastest drivers can also be very fast racers, but this isn’t always the case - some who are a level or 2 behind on TT pace can be equal or better when it comes to a race.
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Very good point. I've met some aliens whose race pace is as fast as their TT pace, & I've met some whose race pace was slower. My race pace is faster than my TT pace, mainly because I'm usually very consistant. Beacause of this I often find myself winning races against faster drivers, looking at the replay on the Live Timing & seeing that I got the slowest lap out of them! :D

Sometimes, fast time trial drivers can make the worst racers, simply because they're pushing way too hard on every single lap & making mistakes which loses them the race, they're still stuck in TT mode. Talk about the tortoise & the hare! :lol:
 
I agree with VBR, there are many many examples of put TT'ers that arent racers and vice versa. Im more of a racer becuase of the consistency as VBR also said.

I think TT'ers problem in racing is also because oif the fact they only know one racing line and when they leave that line to overtake people etc they cant do it as it means adjusting breaking points and when to throttle etc at that precise moment in time.

On a plus note, i spent about an hour flat doing the BMW Z4 TT again and took 0.7 out my time, i will give it another crack tonight, looks like you guys are defo right, time is the key!
 
Time Trials is a nice part of the game if you have a ton of time on hand. You can learn your OWN lines and tuning the car to what suits you for entry and exit speeds. I believe PD cut down on alot of the short cuttings, which is really a good thing. Nothing worse then picking up bad habits with lines. For me, some tracks and combo are ok to attempt and others I just get occupied with other things and never get to revisit it after Golding them. But, T/T has its place to help individuals.

Now I have the luxury each week (Monday, Wednesday & Saturday) to race against JKT008 who has been under the 100 marker many times. Love to give him a bad time and sometimes I do get lucky! Granted he is only 14yrs old, but I believe as he matures and gets cleaner with his driving lines.... I will be needing more than just luck :ouch:

Also, recently had a pleasure racing against Johnnypenso, but I can tell that he is much smoother, patiant, good habits and thus really consistant which really counts in races.

Being fast in time trials or qualifying is good, but smooth and knowledged drivers are equally important. Nurburgring is a good example. You can push like mad for a quick ET, but you are still risking an off track excursion which will hurt you in a race. Cutting a corner or hitting the high curbes might work on T/T, but not in an actual race when it really counts.
 
it sounds silly, but along with all the points that have already been mentioned you need to be in a certain frame of mind to play at your peak, kinda like in real life, call it what you want, "being in the zone" and all that really helps get those extra few hundreds of a second
 
Chris thats also true, nothing worse than coming home from work to find that your just not in that right mood to play GT. I need to race these fast guys, but i have no friends :-(. In the meantime im about to try again at GV TT :-)
 
Being fast takes lots of focus, split second decisions, and nerves of steel. You either got it in you or you don't. No faking it when you got apex after apex and brake distances to worry about.... That's the way I see it, it's all practice. I've driven a crap load of miles and spent countless hours since GT first released (no homo). And Im still not the fastest, so there you go. LOL
 
I hate racing with lines. If it is up to me, I just rely on my own times. For instance, letś make a circuit called Circuit GT. That circuit has 4 checkpoints.. Every single lap I make around Circuit GT, I will keep the times in my head.. Let's say 24 seconds on the first part, 17 seconds on the second part, 37 seconds in the third part and 21 seconds in the last part.. On my second lap, I absolutely want to catch up with my ghost, but at the same time, I'm checking those times and remind what I changed about my own lines.. Am I braking a little bit late on the bends? Am I shifting back to another gear, or staying in the current one? At the end you get nice times.

Also, a good steering wheel improves your times like mad, compared to a DS3 controller.
 
More then pure skill or endless pratice one thing I noticed along the way that makes you fast is the understanding of what makes a good lap.
This may sound very very obvious but if you deconstruct everything and pick every basic piece of driving knowledge, racing line theory and trick you can learn you will be fast no matter what.
After that if someone is going for that extra mile and fight for top spot,he/she will need the extra edge of skill that people call talent but in the end it´s just the basics of circuit driving and avoid that attitude that the alien times are unexplainable things reserved for some naturally gifted players.
 
screp RC
More then pure skill or endless pratice one thing I noticed along the way that makes you fast is the understanding of what makes a good lap.
This may sound very very obvious but if you deconstruct everything and pick every basic piece of driving knowledge, racing line theory and trick you can learn you will be fast no matter what.
After that if someone is going for that extra mile and fight for top spot,he/she will need the extra edge of skill that people call talent but in the end it´s just the basics of circuit driving and avoid that attitude that the alien times are unexplainable things reserved for some naturally gifted players.
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It is not just a racing line or just braking points. If you race against the quicker folks, you will notice one thing that is not easily duplicated. They have the ability to slow a car down fairly quick, point and shoot out of the hole....all this in a fairly quick and controlled fashion.

I for one cannot get myself to mirror that style as I prefer smooth lines and inputs (Depends on who is in front or behind me during a race too) but on TT and Lobby races.

Talent means you had no practice and you simply just get it.
Skill is something that is developed.

Two different meanings and both used wrongly alot of the times.
 
DiersZee1
It is not just a racing line or just braking points. If you race against the quicker folks, you will notice one thing that is not easily duplicated. They have the ability to slow a car down fairly quick, point and shoot out of the hole....all this in a fairly quick and controlled fashion.

I for one cannot get myself to mirror that style as I prefer smooth lines and inputs (Depends on who is in front or behind me during a race too) but on TT and Lobby races.

Talent means you had no practice and you simply just get it.
Skill is something that is developed.

Two different meanings and both used wrongly alot of the times.
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Hmmm...as someone who races regularly against the top players and after more then thirty top 10 in the time trials I am pretty sure I know what it takes to be fast and how to do it.
 
I will defo need to go through this and pick out all the ways people drive, theres some good tips here!

Car control and braking i can ace, its throttle that catches me out, that is the only thing stopping me from going faster, what do you lot do ace the throttle on every turn?
 
Johnar726
I will defo need to go through this and pick out all the ways people drive, theres some good tips here!

Car control and braking i can ace, its throttle that catches me out, that is the only thing stopping me from going faster, what do you lot do ace the throttle on every turn?
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If you have a steering wheel, Lotus Elise top gear challenge, manual gearbox using the H-pattern and no ABS and play until you can win it regularly.

It will be frustrating as hell and will take a whole lot of time but if you pull it off you can master pretty much any challenge:tup:
 
screp RC
If you have a steering wheel, Lotus Elise top gear challenge, manual gearbox using the H-pattern and no ABS and play until you can win it regularly.

It will be frustrating as hell and will take a whole lot of time but if you pull it off you can master pretty much any challenge:tup:
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Ah man i did that ages ago, got gold on my 3rd attempt with a wheel, i am never going near that challenge ever again, but i do see what ya mean by if you can pull that off you can master anything. That elise is probably the worst car i have ever driven
 
screp RC
Hmmm...as someone who races regularly against the top players and after more then thirty top 10 in the time trials I am pretty sure I know what it takes to be fast and how to do it.
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Apologize as I did not mean to come off as not agree-ing with you, as I do and nor did I mean to say you that did not know what you were saying. I also agree that finding the approach to each corner is crucial.

So what is the trick? Brake, point and shoot...I cannot get my car to PIVOT as quick as they can and that is where I loose all the time in the world during TT and in some cases races.
 
screp RC
More then pure skill or endless pratice one thing I noticed along the way that makes you fast is the understanding of what makes a good lap.
This may sound very very obvious but if you deconstruct everything and pick every basic piece of driving knowledge, racing line theory and trick you can learn you will be fast no matter what.
After that if someone is going for that extra mile and fight for top spot,he/she will need the extra edge of skill that people call talent but in the end it´s just the basics of circuit driving and avoid that attitude that the alien times are unexplainable things reserved for some naturally gifted players.
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Hey Screp,

I've been TT'ing for the past 4-5 years (GT5P & GT5), plus I have a decent amount of real life track experience in cars, open wheelers and karts, so I understand the technical side of driving and racing.

However, no matter how much effort I put in to TT's I can't make the jump from fast to alien.

IMO, this is because I've reached my natural talent/skill limit... what I mean by talent/skill limit is the limit of my hand/eye/feet co-ordination. I know what I need to do, but I don't have the fine motor skills to actually do it!

Some people just have better motor skills than others... a bit like Vettel/Hamilton/Alonso vs drivers lower down the F1 grid... they are just simply more talented.
 
screp RC
If you have a steering wheel, Lotus Elise top gear challenge, manual gearbox using the H-pattern and no ABS and play until you can win it regularly.
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Johnar726
Ah man i did that ages ago, got gold on my 3rd attempt with a wheel...
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If you golded it on your 3rd attempt without using SRF of course, then maybe you do have a real shot at winning a GT Academy. I say that because it took me a few hours of trying to win it (I'm a fast driver but not alien fast), & the Elise is my favourite car in the game, love the way it handles. Mind you, I did it when the game was first released, maybe they've made it easier now.
 
VBR
If you golded it on your 3rd attempt without using SRF of course, then maybe you do have a real shot at winning a GT Academy. I say that because it took me a few hours of trying to win it (I'm a fast driver but not alien fast), & the Elise is my favourite car in the game, love the way it handles. Mind you, I did it when the game was first released, maybe they've made it easier now.
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Whats SRF? is that some kind of driving aid? Im gonna say i dont use it as i have everything off except ABS which is set to 1.
Im not sure whats so shocking about that lol, it just comes naturally, i know the elise is a bitch to drive but when you drive high powered RWD cars it just naturally comes to you....
Im very much the one lap wonder person, i can put in my fastest lap in only a couple laps if i know the track, after that its a case of shaving like 0.1 every so often. Like ive been doing on the GV TT :-)
 
Stotty
Hey Screp,

I've been TT'ing for the past 4-5 years (GT5P & GT5), plus I have a decent amount of real life track experience in cars, open wheelers and karts, so I understand the technical side of driving and racing.

However, no matter how much effort I put in to TT's I can't make the jump from fast to alien.

IMO, this is because I've reached my natural talent/skill limit... what I mean by talent/skill limit is the limit of my hand/eye/feet co-ordination. I know what I need to do, but I don't have the fine motor skills to actually do it!

Some people just have better motor skills than others... a bit like Vettel/Hamilton/Alonso vs drivers lower down the F1 grid... they are just simply more talented.
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Hey Stotty,

As you have the basics of circuit driving you can consistently finishing time trials in the tiop 50 or better wich I think is what the OP considers fast. From there and like I said in my post there´s that extra edge that some have and even so you can always look at what you are doing and try to see where you can improve and what other techniques you can do be quicker.

Are you using little tricks like using handbrake to get rid of oversteer? Are trailbraking into that bit of oversteer that lets you finish the corner? Ar you maximizing your racing lines by going as close as possible to the inside kerb but never touching it because it will result in some lateral movement instead of going forward?

I am certainly not saying you are not doing this but when one reaches a point where evolution seems impossible, either you can choose to embrace the idea that the reason is that faster players are more talented or you can analyze where you can be failing and get out of your comfort zone to find those extra tenths.

By maximizing your own potential you can go very far. That talent discussion is valid when you are comparing why TiTech is faster than Yinato, Kolsa or Amo, not when because someone is reaching top 20 in time trials regularly.
 
There is a huge difference between being able to get a fast lap time by driving round and round and round a circuit 'time trialling', abusing driver aids when and where appropriate, and actually being a quick driver.

Time trialling takes speed obviously, but the guys who are able to jump into a car, on a track, get onto a good pace quickly and be super consistent with their times, and then do it again when the regulations are changed, they are the fast drivers.
 
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Hey Stotty,

As you have the basics of circuit driving you can consistently finishing time trials in the tiop 50 or better wich I think is what the OP considers fast. From there and like I said in my post there´s that extra edge that some have and even so you can always look at what you are doing and try to see where you can improve and what other techniques you can do be quicker.

Are you using little tricks like using handbrake to get rid of oversteer? Are trailbraking into that bit of oversteer that lets you finish the corner? Ar you maximizing your racing lines by going as close as possible to the inside kerb but never touching it because it will result in some lateral movement instead of going forward?

I am certainly not saying you are not doing this but when one reaches a point where evolution seems impossible, either you can choose to embrace the idea that the reason is that faster players are more talented or you can analyze where you can be failing and get out of your comfort zone to find those extra tenths.

By maximizing your own potential you can go very far. That talent discussion is valid when you are comparing why TiTech is faster than Yinato, Kolsa or Amo, not when because someone is reaching top 20 in time trials regularly.
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Amigo 👍

I know I'm fast compared to the vast majority of drivers, but I also know I'm not one of the really fast guys... and I guess like everyone, I'd like to make the step to the next level. But whilst not lacking ambition, or commitment, I am old enough and realistic enough to know my own limitations.

I know where I'm losing time, and I do try to improve, but ultimately, I just can't make the car do what I want it to do consistently enough to make that next break through.

I can use most of the 'tricks' - trail braking is a technique I use a lot in real life (essential if you're going to drive a 911 quickly) so I'm comfortable with that, and I do use brake release oversteer (not realistic, but effective in GT5), but never the handrake unless I'm drifting.

I know I do have the ultimate capability to match the super fast times (as I can match a particular sector from time to time), but being able to match/beat them in one corner, or one sector very occassionally is a similar to the 'a monkey could write War and Peace given enough time' analogy... it's possible, just highly unlikey :lol:
 
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Stotty
Amigo 👍

I know I'm fast compared to the vast majority of drivers, but I also know I'm not one of the really fast guys... and I guess like everyone, I'd like to make the step to the next level. But whilst not lacking ambition, or commitment, I am old enough and realistic enough to know my own limitations.

I know where I'm losing time, and I do try to improve, but ultimately, I just can't make the car do what I want it to do consistently enough to make that next break through.

I can use most of the 'tricks' - trail braking is a technique I use a lot in real life (essential if you're going to drive a 911 quickly) so I'm comfortable with that, and I do use brake release oversteer (not realistic, but effective in GT5), but never the handrake unless I'm drifting.

I know I do have the ultimate capability to match the super fast times (as I can match a particular sector from time to time), but being able to match/beat them in one corner, or one sector very occassionally is a similar to the 'a monkey could write War and Peace given enough time' analogy... it's possible, just highly unlikey :lol:
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As always a good post Stotty and certainly a realistic one.
But I stand on my opinion as I know that I am not a naturally gifted guy but I am one that likes to take his time understanding, trying, tinkering and applying every single bit of driving knowledge I gather.

By many hours of real life driving and 5 different Gran turismo games I can apply all of it decently well and the curious thing is that I only tried for the first time a 900º wheel a year ago when I bought my G27 and within 2 or 3 days that knowledge translated in outright pace.

Leaving opinions aside everyone must remember this is a game and although a realistic one there are a lot of little tricks to make one faster:)
 
Some times I can take a lot of time out of my laps not by practising, but simply turning the ps3 off and spending a few hours just thinking about the lap! And getting it all sorted in my head!
 
Spinodontosaur4
There is a huge difference between being able to get a fast lap time by driving round and round and round a circuit 'time trialling', abusing driver aids when and where appropriate, and actually being a quick driver.

Time trialling takes speed obviously, but the guys who are able to jump into a car, on a track, get onto a good pace quickly and be super consistent with their times, and then do it again when the regulations are changed, they are the fast drivers.
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I've heard that comment multiple times over the years and it's mostly said by people who can't compete in the TT's but have good success on-line. The problem with that is the level of driver they are racing on-line is nowhere near the same standard as the level of drivers in the top 10/20 of a TT.

Once you get to the top 100 or so fastest drivers in the World (and I don't mean getting a top 100 Seasonal ranking, I mean getting a top 100 Academy ranking, when ALL the fast boys make an effort) you have the ability to drive anything fast, pretty much straight away.

A fast TT driver will have better car control skills, period... the only potential weakness is a lack of race craft, which is where a ultimately less skilled driver can make up time.
 
Johnar726
Whats SRF? is that some kind of driving aid? Im gonna say i dont use it as i have everything off except ABS which is set to 1.
Im not sure whats so shocking about that lol...
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SRF is a driving aid, & it stand for; Skid Recovery Force. It's 'shocking' that you did it on only your 3rd attempt because the Elise is on Comfort Hard in that event! It comes with Sports Hard tyres as stock, but should be on Sports Medium according to some because those tyres give a similar lateral g reading to the real life car.

All the best on your quest to win GT Academy! 👍
 
Johnar726
Ah man i did that ages ago, got gold on my 3rd attempt with a wheel, i am never going near that challenge ever again, but i do see what ya mean by if you can pull that off you can master anything. That elise is probably the worst car i have ever driven
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Worse than the Murcielago in the License Test? (I do not remember which one)

I don't think so...:crazy:
 
The key for me to the below 6min 650pp nurb times.... a great setup:
Playseat SV
ThrustMaster T500
3 screen setup..
And most important.... H pattern shifter.

That T8 shifter really does help me.

I am a TT driver for sure, and I can put out quick Nurb times...

My nurb taxi has put 86k mi alone on the track. The key is even when ur not driving u can go through every little thing of the track... all the turns and elevation changes, and it SHOULD take the exact time to go through it in your head as your best lap, down to the second.
 
Ah okay, I never noticed a difference in the events that people says it's forced on in lol.
I dont even know how many attempts it took me to do the camper van one, that was a nightmare as I could not stop hitting cars lol.

Man GT academy is just a dream, I'm still around 1.5 -2 seconds off of number 1 in the TTs at the moment :-(.

Was the murcialago license at toscana going into the night? That was a horrible test to do, took me a while to learn to break on that thing.
 
The answer is in my signature: yes, it's all about practicing, talent contributes only a little bit. ;)
 

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