The fate of Ebisu?

[White & Nerdy]

As you may know, the Fukushima nuclear power plant is having some issues right now (i.e. reactor #3 apparently blew its roof off or something like that).

The plant is leaking radiation at an accelerated rate (I've heard it's leaking a year's worth of background radiation every day). Thus, they've had to close some land around the plant. It'll probably remain closed for quite a while.

I've guessed from NFS ProStreet that the Ebisu racetrack is close to that region (Fukushima speed challenge).

Does this mean Ebisu will have to be closed and deserted?

 

[Ken]

Very Tacky!!! I can feel the sympathies that you have for possibly the worst disaster of our time. 2,414 confirmed dead, 10,000 estimated missing, and many more facing imminent danger. And your worried about a racetrack. WOW.

 

[Tornado]

Very Tacky!!! I can feel the sympathies that you have for possibly the worst disaster of our time. 2,414 confirmed dead, 10,000 estimated missing, and many more facing imminent danger. And your worried about a racetrack. WOW.

Yeah, I'm already getting kind of sick of this attitude.

 

[Pupik]

I think worrying about the fate of a racing circuit in the face of an enormous natural disaster and ensuing tragedy ranks right up there with wondering about the sun extinguishing itself tomorrow. Or, am I eating enough garlic?

For those who absolutely need to know...

 

[HumanDestroyah]

Very very tacky.

I had to rewrite this a good three times, I guess its easy for you to crack jokes on a country that had lost so much in the span of a few days. I just watch an interview of a woman who's daughter was pulled from her arms by the waves. I am speaking for myself here, but I don't think posts containing shock value geared toward this situation is welcomed here.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Calm down, it's just a question I was interested in. If you think asking about Ebisu is tacky, you should see some of the Facebook conversations about the disaster.

Yes, for those concerned, yes I am concerned by the earthquake and nuclear issue.

Either way though, I hope the death toll has stopped climbing and the country can get back on its feet soon. With any luck, their boron-and-seawater coolant solution will keep the plant from getting any worse until they can come up with a better solution.

Also, where was I cracking jokes or trying to add shock value?

 

[Ken]

Very very tacky.

I had to rewrite this a good three times, I guess its easy for you to crack jokes on a country that had lost so much in the span of a few days. I just watch an interview of a woman who's daughter was pulled from her arms by the waves. I am speaking for myself here, but I don't think posts containing shock value geared toward this situation is welcomed here.

Your not speaking for yourself Destroyah!

 

[Tornado]

I'm still not understanding the outrage. Nor do I see even a hint of the things you claim the OP contained, HumanDestroyah

 

[Ken]

I'm still not understanding the outrage. Nor do I see even a hint of the things you claim the OP contained, HumanDestroyah

The lack of empathy. Plain and simple. A person seemingly more worried about a slab of concrete over thousand of lives lost.

 

[White & Nerdy]

I'm still not understanding the outrage. Nor do I see even a hint of the things you claim the OP contained, HumanDestroyah

Apparently, they think I shouldn't even remember Ebisu exists and I'm apparently an insensetive unworthy person for wondering what happened to it.

Anyway, I'm glad everyone is safe.

 

[The Outlaw]

I'm still not understanding the outrage. Nor do I see even a hint of the things you claim the OP contained, HumanDestroyah

+1

I can understand one being deeply upset and saddened by the current situation in Japan. But with that said, there is no need to overreact or lash out at OP's harmless question...

 

[Azuremen]

Apparently, they think I shouldn't even remember Ebisu exists and I'm apparently an insensetive unworthy person for wondering what happened to it.

Anyway, I'm glad everyone is safe.

Nice add on to the post there.

Incredibly tacky to ask this. Maybe in a month when the total damage is even beginning to be assessed, but at this time, it simply doesn't matter.

 

[Ken]

I respectively back out the conversation, and my conversation beyond this point wouldn't be respectful.

EDIT: @Azuremen With all do respect 👍

 

[The Outlaw]

Tbh, you guys are the ones being tacky for even giving the OP flack to begin, and creating a pointless argument

It's seems pretty common place around here though (people with their holier/more class than thou types of attitudes).

 

[Tornado]

The lack of empathy. Plain and simple. A person seemingly more worried about a slab of concrete over thousand of lives lost.

Yeah, that's not what I see in the OP. I see a question regarding a racetrack which happens to be in the area, phrased in a way that basically constitutes "I wonder what will happen there." In no way do I see how that automatically must mean that he is saying "Who cares about what happens to the people. I want to know what happens to the race track."
And it shouldn't be what anyone else sees either, since White & Nerdy went on to explain how he absolutely was not expressing the sentiment that you just explained.


You can be curious about something without that something being at the absolute top of your priorities list.

 

[Azuremen]

Tbh, you guys are the ones being tacky for even giving the OP flack to begin, and creating a pointless argument

It's seems pretty common place around here though (people with their holier/more class than thou types of attitudes).

More of an understanding of what is actually important this point. Japan has been economically crippled; entertainments like racing will be very low priority for a while.

Honestly, I've yet to find a solid analogy to this situation. Perhaps asking which child gets their dead parent's house the day after they die? Just a few magnitudes different.

Yeah, that's not what I see in the OP. I see a question regarding a racetrack which happens to be in the area, phrased in a way that basically constitutes "I wonder what will happen there." In no way do I see how that automatically must mean that he is saying "Who cares about what happens to the people. I want to know what happens to the race track."
And it shouldn't be what anyone else sees either, since White & Nerdy went on to explain how he absolutely was not expressing the sentiment that you just explained.


You can be curious about something without that something being at the absolute top of your priorities list.

No, it is just similar to asking "Hey, can I get pizza at that place next to the Twin Towers?" on September 13th.

 

[Ken]

You can be curious about something without that something being at the absolute top of your priorities list.

There is a plenty of time and place for that afterward. Now is neither, in my, (and many others), opinion. I dare you to express your opinions to somebody personally affected my this, and see what sympathies you receive for a place to race cars.

 

[The Outlaw]

I don't quite get it. If you don't like the OP's harmless question, then why bother wasting the time to respond (particularly in a brash tone)?

There is a plenty of time and place for that afterward. Now is neither, in my, (and many others), opinion. I dare you to express your opinions to somebody personally affected my this, and see what sympathies you receive for a place to race cars.

It was a question, not an opinion.

 

[Tornado]

More of an understanding of what is actually important this point. Japan has been economically crippled; entertainments like racing will be very low priority for a while.

That is absolutely true. I fail to see where anyone said anything different, however. I certainly didn't get the impression that the OP felt it to be of any real importance.

No, it is just similar to asking "Hey, can I get pizza at that place next to the Twin Towers?" on September 13th.

To an extent, sure. At the same time, eviscerating people publicly because they have the nerve to ask a question that is of lesser importance when it is fairly obvious that they knew it wasn't really important doesn't do anyone any favors.
It has only been a couple days and the tragedy is still building, I understand, but are we really not allowed to think about anything else? Because we might as well lock down the entire forum except for the thread going in the Opinions forum if that is the case.

There is a plenty of time and place for that afterward. Now is neither, in my, (and many others), opinion.

So, when and where?


And this is a trick question, because we would be in the same situation regardless of how the question was asked.

I dare you to express your opinions to somebody personally affected my this, and see what sympathies you receive for a place to race cars.

Again, that implies a level of malicious intent that simply was not in the OP.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Plus, like I said, it could be worse. Think of the person who'll be upset if they can't watch some anime, or the people on Facebook saying... well... I'm not even going to say what they're saying.

 

[niky]

Nowhere in the OP is it suggested that there was no tragedy, but it is a perfectly legitimate question.

As are questions (on other boards, and in the news, and in business circles) of the effects this tragedy will have on the Japanese Economy as a whole, Nuclear Power in general, and specifically, Nissan, which has lost a lot of stock to this disaster.

These questions do not mean the tragedy did not happen. They just mean that there are other things that are affected by it.

When would it be the right time to ask them? Next week? Next month? Next year? Ask some Americans, and it is never the right time to talk about replacing the World Trade Center...

 

[Ken]

That is absolutely true. I fail to see where anyone said anything different, however. I certainly didn't get the impression that the OP felt it to be of any real importance.


To an extent, sure. At the same time, eviscerating people publicly because they have the nerve to ask a question that is of lesser importance when it is fairly obvious that they knew it wasn't really important doesn't do anyone any favors.


So, when and where?


And this is a trick question, because we would be in the same situation regardless of how the question was asked.


Again, that implies a level of malicious intent that simply was not in the OP.

The one question that I do have, and then I done. Where was the sympathies, (intended or not), in the OP?

 

[Northstar]

The one question that I do have, and then I done. Where was the sympathies, (intended or not), in the OP?

Why does it matter?

 

[The Outlaw]

So I take it you demand sympathy whenever this subject is brought up? Sorry to say, but you won't get much sympathy with such an attitude.

No more from me 💡 I don't want to add anymore fuel to the fire, as Koios is understandably probably not in the best of moods to begin with

 

[HumanDestroyah]

The lack of empathy. Plain and simple. A person seemingly more worried about a slab of concrete over thousand of lives lost.

👍 thanks.


Maybe I got a little defensive OP. I just get upset when the majority of posts i see in the GT5 thread deal with updates, cars that are wanted, DLC, what's wrong with the game, seasonal events, lack of credits....yards yadda yadda. Didn't mean to lump you in with them.


As far as a new world trade center, or talking about it for that matter, shoot me a PM and I will be more than happy to talk any world events with you niky.

 

[Ken]

Two men on two different sides of a river looking at the same boat see two different sides. I don't understand your side, as you seem not to understand mine. I respect the differences, but still stand on my side of the river.

 

[Tornado]

The one question that I do have, and then I done. Where was the sympathies, (intended or not), in the OP?

Does it really matter?

For the record, I saw none at all towards anything. It was a question, perhaps phrased poorly, but pointed more towards casual indifference. Basically, he remembered there was a race track in the area and thought out loud about what might happen to it. No attachment to the topic other than his curiosity, and not even what could be called concern over the issue. Keep in mind that the GT5 forum has been crawling with occasional posts that are legitimately more worried about petty 🤬 (like future game updates being disrupted) than they are with the tragedy itself, and the difference between them and the OP is vast.







And for the record, I understand what you are saying completely. But I think you are drawing a conclusion that wasn't actually the intended message of the OP, because there was no real message.

 

[Villain]

Is this an arguement worth having? The original question posed by OP hasn't been addressed and it doesn't appear that an answer is coming any time soon has been taken care of, so let's just move on. I suggest that it would be better to just drop the whole thing.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Is this an arguement worth having? The original question posed by OP hasn't been addressed and it doesn't appear that an answer is coming any time soon. I suggest that it would be better to just drop the whole thing.

Actually, it was answered. A link was provided long ago, which showed that the track's offices got shaken up pretty badly, and the garages are sitting on a brand new cliff, but fortunately no one was hurt.

 

[lmanion]

I'm thinking the thread had more to do with possible radiation around the track from the nuclear reactor.