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Oni91
Is it just me or does the track look rather simple for F1? Maybe I've been desensitised because of the complexity of pretty much all the tracks from the 2000s.

Not like that's a complaint or anything, I'd much rather have a simple street course than another Valencia.

Also I'm impressed that they made a decent track out of New York.
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This is just a "suggested layout". The race hasn't even been confirmed yet, let alone a circuit design being released to the public.
 
OK, now we have the Eastern U.S. and the Central U.S. covered. We need a race on the West Coast!! :)
 
nismo3
OK, now we have the Eastern U.S. and the Central U.S. covered. We need a race on the West Coast!! :)
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Only one is confirmed, but the second is looking increasingly likely. Let's just leave it at two just now. If F1 finally grabs a hold of the US, then why not 3?
 
prisonermonkeys
That video was from an event last week. The circuit has since been cleaned up - the Indians ran over it with dozens of street sweepers.

As for the supposed un-even-ness, I'd say that's just you looking for things to criticise.
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I can understand it is tough job to build a F1 track from scratch :lol:



Indian track is having 10 year contract ? I like all new races except Singapore GP. Hope the track is good and race looks nice on TV :)

InvincibleM5
Now what is up with everybody getting so much interest with Formula 1? Mumbai is considering to build a circuit there... I know it's good but I think this is just too much especially when things could end like what Korea is facing now.
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What is the problem with Korean GP :confused: Mumbai is probably better place for India but now it is too late
 
kimi123
What is the problem with Korean GP :confused:
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Financial, financial and financial... I think you missed it though that most drivers and team members complained of the event.

After last year's GP, they closed down the circuit and never been open again until this year's GP. Teams complained about the facility not being prepared as accordingly and there's no hotels around the circuit area (something like in Magny Cours). Williams Team engineers complained that they have to make their way to their hotels everyday which is about an hour of drive away. The rooms and garage were still named as last year's drivers and McLaren had to re-paint the floor which was Red Bull's. There were also rotten foods from last year's event not being cleaned.

As you notice, the areas around the circuit should be a growing city but there's absolutely no difference at all to this year. Now they are trying to negotiate a new deal to reduce the hosting fees.

Hopefully India will not be getting the same issue...
 
I didn't know the Korean GP wasn't taking too well to the surroundings. I thought it was more successful. I can't wait for the Grand Prix of America though (proposed name for the NJ/NYC GP).
 
InvincibleM5
Financial, financial and financial... I think you missed it though that most drivers and team members complained of the event.

After last year's GP, they closed down the circuit and never been open again until this year's GP. Teams complained about the facility not being prepared as accordingly and there's no hotels around the circuit area (something like in Magny Cours). Williams Team engineers complained that they have to make their way to their hotels everyday which is about an hour of drive away. The rooms and garage were still named as last year's drivers and McLaren had to re-paint the floor which was Red Bull's. There were also rotten foods from last year's event not being cleaned.

As you notice, the areas around the circuit should be a growing city but there's absolutely no difference at all to this year. Now they are trying to negotiate a new deal to reduce the hosting fees.

Hopefully India will not be getting the same issue...
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Oh that's a shame because the track is good. For India track they spend lot of money so it should be better
 
kimi123
Oh that's a shame because the track is good. For India track they spend lot of money so it should be better
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It should be better because the Buddh International Circuit itself has already been surfaced and pretty much now needs some cosmetic fixing. Unlike Korea, the laid down the tarmac on Thursday and on Friday, cars started running over them. If I remember correctly, the heavy braking point st the end of the long straight were damaged as a result of cars heavy braking that it looked like someone running over a carpet that they have to immediately fix it for this year's.

My concern for India now is not its first year, but the second year because surely they spent a lot of money for this year's, but they could run out of them for next year. I do hope please for that not to happen again because the Korea GP was a good one, but behind that was such a disaster.
 
The layout for the New Jersey track has 150 feet of elevation change.

Edit: Sounds like it will be the Grand Prix of America.

That would mean the Austin race would get the United States Grand Prix.
 
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Seeing Chris Christie on Speed Channel. This is hilarious. Race has been confirmed for June 13. The name will be the Grand Prix of America at Port Imperial.
 
Most of this Q&A session has been questions about safety and concerns for people living near the track.

The track layout is pretty much the same as the projected layout. Race will be run in a clockwise direction.

Described it as raced like Spa, looks like Monaco. Although I'm not sure how it will look like Monaco other than the fact that it's a street circuit.
 
GTPorsche
Most of this Q&A session has been questions about safety and concerns for people living near the track.

The track layout is pretty much the same as the projected layout. Race will be run in a clockwise direction.

Described it as raced like Spa, looks like Monaco. Although I'm not sure how it will look like Monaco other than the fact that it's a street circuit.
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Turn 12 is a hard 90 degree right. After that is the 150 ft. descent including a left sweeper turn 13 which ends in the turn 14 and 15 complex double rights.
 
 
The first corner complex:

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Elevation changes:

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I think they're going to need to tear down the bridge after Turn 3, because it looks narrow and a little flimsy:

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That's actually a pretty nice lay out. Something different for a change. With an awesome skyline.
 
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With that map, I love it even more. It looks quick.

But, then again, what looks good on paper, usually sucks IRL.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Look in the bottom-right corner, and tell me what you see:
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I'm just wondering if peoples' perceptions of the circuit will change once they realise it's a Tilke design.
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The only part of it he had to do with it was the actual layout of the circuit. The streets were already there.
 
Dennisch
With that map, I love it even more. It looks quick.
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Better - it looks unique.

Spa Francorchamps currently has the greatest elevation change on any circuit on the calendar. However, I believe Port Imperial (that appears to be the official name) will have even more up across the Palisades (the local name for the cliff). It will certainly have more than Eau Rouge, though perhaps not to the same gradient.

And best of all, there is virtually no room for run-off. New Jersey will be a proper street circuit.
 
prisonermonkeys
Look in the bottom-right corner, and tell me what you see:
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I'm just wondering if peoples' perceptions of the circuit will change once they realise it's a Tilke design.
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Is Bernie actually aware that there are other circuit designers other than Tilke? This design looks to be one of his best though.
 
Alex.
Is Bernie actually aware that there are other circuit designers other than Tilke?
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He probably is, but Tilke has two things going for him:

1) Experience. Tilke has designed twelve circuits (Bahrain, Sepang, Shanghai, Istanbul, Valencia, Singapore, South Korea, India, Abu Dhabi, Austin, Sochi and now New Jersey) and redesigned six circuits to various degrees (Barcelona, the Nurbrugring, the Hungaroring, Hockenheim, the Red Bull Ring and Spa). Plus, he's got a whole host of other circuit projects that will not host Formula 1. No other circuit design firm - Apex and Populous being the most prominent (though Mark Skaife has done several for V8 Supercars) - has as much experience. And Populous' redesign of Silverstone's "Arena" configuration is the only non-Tilke change to a circuit on the calendar.

2) Services. Tilke isn't just an architect. In fact, he's not actually trained as an architect at all - he's a civil engineer. Tilke GmbH is a civil engineering, architecture and construction management firm. When Tilke gets a contract to design a circuit, he sees the entire project through from the initial surveying of the site through to the official hand-over of the circuit to its owners. it might sound anti-competitive to have one cmopany do all the work, but it actually streamlines the entire process. The only circuit he has not done this for is South Korea, when he did not manage construction, and that very nearly didn't get finished. In fact, it was only completed when Tilke took control of the project in the month before the race. As far as I know, Apex and Populous do not offer these services.
 
Pardon the double-post, but I've found a video of the circuit:



It's not quite right; it turns off Port Imperial Boulevard too late at the start. The actual turn-off comes much sooner; there's two straights of moderate length before the bridge up to the Palisades.
 
Indeed. The entire section from the bridge to the hairpin is going to be absolute bonkers. In fact, this may well be the most bonkers circuit since AVUS.
 
I'm not happy that the US is getting two GPs. The country doesn't care about F1, they don't talk about F1 at all in mainstream US sports media. It's just another money grab like the middle-eastern GPs. 👎

So Italy, Britain and Germany only have 1 GP each, France, Netherlands, Poland and Portugal have 0 GPs, and the US is getting two! :ouch:
 
SagarisGTB
The country doesn't care about F1, they don't talk about F1 at all in mainstream US sports media.
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And yet, there is a substantial following Stateside. The old race at Indianapolis used to attract a lot of spectators.

SagarisGTB
Italy, Britain and Germany only have 1 GP each
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There's all relatively small countries. The Austin and New Jersey circuits are over two thousand kilometres apart. They're serving two entirely different audiences.

SagarisGTB
France, Netherlands, Poland and Portugal have 0 GPs
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France is believed to be sharing an event with Belgium from 2013; Spa and Paul Ricard will alternate the way Hockenheim and the Nurbrugring do in Germany.

The Netherlands and Portugal have no Grade-1 circuits. Zandvoort and Portimao might be able to get Grade-1 licences, but it will probably be an uphill battle; major upgrades will be needed, and in the case of Zandvoort, the locals might protest the noise.

As for Poland, they have no racing circuits, and I don't think they have enough of an economy to support the race. If it weren't for the rise of Robert Kubica, nobody would think to have a race in Poland.

There are also a handful of other countries that I think would be more important to Formula 1 than Portugal, the Netherlands and Poland: namely South Africa (which Bernie has said is the priority once Russia joins in 2014), Mexico and a second race in South America, probably in Argentina.
 
prisonermonkeys
Indeed. The entire section from the bridge to the hairpin is going to be absolute bonkers. In fact, this may well be the most bonkers circuit since AVUS.
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Am I the only one thinking Too Good To Be True? I bet they find a space for an extra chicane on that back stretch.

Also:
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