The Future of Drifting

  • Thread starter Thread starter Der Alta
  • 94 comments
  • 5,691 views
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
Sport- Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
Click to expand...

Exactly. If you've ridden a few laps on a motocross track as you stated or even watched motocross on television then you know that it is in fact a physical activity, governed by a set of rules and engaged in competitively.


-Mark
 
I'm not going to waste my time any more. The world is full of morons. Oh well nothing I can do about it. If I ignore it I'm sure it will go away
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
I'm not going to waste my time any more. The world is full of morons. Oh well nothing I can do about it. If I ignore it I'm sure it will go away
Click to expand...
And I think the same way.

You've stepped into a discussion that has proven itself to be too much for you. You've excused yourself in a gentlemanly way and I accept that.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread.

AO
 
Well Der Alta, I think you have managed to get the most civil discussion of the clash between racers and drifters to date. I saw this thread a bit back and just decided to skip it (didn't feel like going through this again at the moment). I Came back to see what was going on and i am in general very impressed with what you have accomplished.

Anyways, the reason why i am posting is that a drifter OLR forum is not needed at the moment. It may have been more useful in the summer when the few individuals who govern drift comps had more time (as well as those who would like to participate in them). I would agree with perg that a seperate forum is not needed.

On another topic i would like to see mods in the forum a bit more or give someone who has been here long enough and shows the correct abilities a bit more power in the forum... I am in know way suggesting make a new mod but some kind of mod helper. Individuals around the forum would know that what this person or people say(s) goes... I think this would help out the forum quite a bit. Useless threads would be closed quicker and members would be kept in place when they feel it is their responsibility to take a moderator's stance on subjects ( no everyone is ready and most just start yelling).

One last comment. I remember when i first joined this past summe, and i remember how the drifting forum was. In general it has changed quite a bit (more fluff than i remember or would like), and i am sure that i am not hte only one who feels this way. I guess that i would like everyone to know that the frustration that those who are blatantly against drifting feel is not limited to them... Many of us who love drifting ,as well as racing, feel similarly... The only difference is that we realize that it is incorrect to attack the whole (the reason why we have not given up hope on the majority of younger drifters). So please rather than attack us at all, find another way for your frustration to be vented. All that occurs when individuals are attacked is that individual toughens his or her skin to change or they go an lash out on other drifters of even worse characteristics... That to me accomplishes nothing...
 
131103-bicycle_drifting.jpg



:lol:
 
I think that we (as in most of GTP) are so used to seeing drifters portrayed by complete idiots that we stereotype them too easily. I, in a way, face the same type of stereotyping whenever I visit other forums becasue I like the skyline. Thanks to other people (mainly the F&F bunch) who make complete fools of themselves and the skyline. So everytime I say anything about the skyline, I have to prove that I'm not just some 12 year old who thinks that he knows everything. After seeing that I am indeed knowledgable and not another fanboy I gain respect from the other members. So do what I do, if someone makes fun of drifting or has negative comments don't take it personally, just make your point and be done with it. Once they see that you are not like the rest of the idiots roaming the forum you will be more accepted. However keep in mind that there are still people, that no matter what you say, have their minds firmly set and will not change it no matter what.

As for my opinion of drifting I somewhat agree with milefile in that there should be a defined point system, that would make it easier for the non-drifters to understand what goes on. I like drifting, not the drifting done by stupid kids in the street, but on the track. It's awsome to see powerfull cars inches apart, with the tires screaming and thick smoke pouring from underneath. It can be both a sport (even better with an established point system) and entertainment. People that keep bashing drifters for no reason are just proving their own ignorance. Drifting is here, it wont go away for a long time so get over it. I myslef don't drift but even I know that if someone likes something they will do it regardless of other peoples oppinions.
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
I think that we (as in most of GTP) are so used to seeing drifters portrayed by complete idiots that we stereotype them too easily. I, in a way, face the same type of stereotyping whenever I visit other forums becasue I like the skyline. Thanks to other people (mainly the F&F bunch) who make complete fools of themselves and the skyline. So everytime I say anything about the skyline, I have to prove that I'm not just some 12 year old who thinks that he knows everything. After seeing that I am indeed knowledgable and not another fanboy I gain respect from the other members. So do what I do, if someone makes fun of drifting or has negative comments don't take it personally, just make your point and be done with it. Once they see that you are not like the rest of the idiots roaming the forum you will be more accepted. However keep in mind that there are still people, that no matter what you say, have their minds firmly set and will not change it no matter what.

As for my opinion of drifting I somewhat agree with milefile in that there should be a defined point system, that would make it easier for the non-drifters to understand what goes on. I like drifting, not the drifting done by stupid kids in the street, but on the track. It's awsome to see powerfull cars inches apart, with the tires screaming and thick smoke pouring from underneath. It can be both a sport (even better with an established point system) and entertainment. People that keep bashing drifters for no reason are just proving their own ignorance. Drifting is here, it wont go away for a long time so get over it. I myslef don't drift but even I know that if someone likes something they will do it regardless of other peoples oppinions.
Click to expand...
I agree. I can see why everyone see's drifters as idiots (poor spelling, grammer), but this is not limited to drifters, and not all drifters are this way. However, I think I have proven myself to be a knowledgeable person. I gained all of my knowledge of drifting from grip racing, and real life drift cars, so I can back up what I say. The only way to prove yourself, is to just stick around, and give good sound information to others. It did not hapen over night, for me, it took a like 3 months for people to recognize my contributions to this site.

As for the drifting points:
There already is an established point system for drifting, which you can find here:

GTP DRIFT COMPETITION/CHALLENGE RULES

It's kind of out of the way, so I can understand why you didn't see it. However, I think Thio is going to revise the rules, as there have been some issues with some of the current points (smoke).;)
 
Originally posted by XzifT
If you want good 'grammer' you should spell grammar right. ;)
Click to expand...
Ok, this is another issue. People pointing out every word that is a letter off. This is a forum, people type fast, and so having a few letters off every once in a while, is to be expected. Your just trying to be a dick, and it is not appreciated. Instead of browsing through my post, looking for errors, you should be paying attention to what I am trying to convey. ;)
 
isn't there a program that spell checks your posts?

Oh and silviadrifter I meant actuall drifting not GT :lol: I did read this part
ecause the above is completely left to personal judgment no point scale will be developed, but judges are expected to judge in an unbiased fashion.
Click to expand...
thats what I mean it's all up to personal choice (in reality or games) there should be specific numbers for each category and how to attain them that way regardless of the judge you could know what you score. I don't know too much about drifting but for example could you use 1 point per second the drift is held? something similar to NFSU where ther would be bonuses for certain movements or more difficult drifts. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
 
Originally posted by azndrifter318
Drifters are taking gt3 to something new. It's like skateboarders on the street. They take somthing not intended to skate and then are able to do tricks on it, use it as an obstacle. That's what drifters do with the courses in gt3, using creativity to make turns connect into each other and all this other jumbo mumbo. This only applies to the game. Real life, i don't really care about drifters doing it in public roads, as long as noones killed.
Click to expand...
I dont agree with your real life stuff, Their should never be the risk of someone being killed unesscessarily, I skate and get moved around by security all the time, the same thing applies to drifters. If it gets in the way of what the roads were designed for, (transport) It will be marginalised to drift tracks and like skateboarding there wont be enough of them and they'll suck.
 
Ok, I'm sure that this comment has been made a ton in this thread, but I have neither the time nor the patience to search through 80+ posts to find it, so here goes:

Drifters are not the problem. Drifting is an awesome concept, I mean, who doesn't like power-sliding around a curve? However, when drifters use their crappy language skills and 12-year-older AIM abbreviations, that's what bugs me. Drifting is perfectly acceptable to me, it's just their poor grammar that segregates them. If they were to use proper grammar and stuff like that then I'd be happy, and so would the rest of the world, at least I think. Oh well, that's just my $.02.
 
I firmly believe that the Racers should try drifting for a while and actually find out what its like. I hat people who tease/diss others when they cant or havent done it them selvs. I can grip quite well (mid div 2 in WRS) and i can also drift ok. I belive people should try drifting out BEFORE they say anything about it.
 
I used to powerslide on bicycles and motorcycles as a kid.
I used to watch the "Dukes of Hazzard" slide the "General Lee" all over Hazzard county, in my youth.

Now this "new" fad of drifting is birthed, and it's all the rage.

I see it eventually maturing into sporting event much like Figure Skating. I also see it becoming a matter of style and political influence as far as judging goes. (Just like figure skating)
Of course there won't be as many cold scantily clad women around looking for consoling.

I see tire companies promoting drifting, because it's the one thing that goes thru tires faster than racing.
 
One thing that is causing backlash against drifting is exactly what Gil named: the assumption that this is some brand new, next-wave thing that only drifters are cool enough to know about.

So what if drifting has been huge in Japan for 10 years? It's been around since powered, wheeled vehicles were invented. It's only the fad that's new. Drifters, who love to put down NASCAR races as nothing more than "go fast and turn left", don't seem to realize that the entire NASCAR phenomenon, and the vast majority of the drivers involved in it, grew out of America's dirt oval tracks. Most of these guys have spent more time sideways than any 23-year-old Japanese hot shoe, driving minimal-weight, insanely-powered sprint cars and modifieds. Think touge running is the be-all and end-all? Try spending more than half of a 1/2 mile oval sideways in an 800-hp open-wheel sprint car that weighs about 1200 pounds, on dirt, in traffic at 120-160 mph with 12 other guys packed right around you trying to pass your ass.

10-18-03-6-7t-69.jpg


The thing that leaves drifting in a quandry is, as Gil also says, the issue of politics and subjectivity. Racing is too political already, when the final judge is the stopwatch. When you throw out the objective clock, and have 6 guys with point cards as the final judges, the whole thing becomes kind of unsatisfying to many people.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
One thing that is causing backlash aginast drifting is exactly what Gil named: the assumption that this is some brand new, next-wave thing that only they are cool enough to know about.

So what if drifting is huge in Japn for 10 years? It's been around since powered, wheeled vehicles were invented. It's only the fad that's new. Drifters, who love to put down NASCAR races as nothing more than "go fast and turn left", don't seem to realize that the entire NASCAR phenomonon, and the vast majority of the drivers involved in it, grew out of America's dirt oval tracks. Most of these guys have spent more time sideways than any 23-year-old Japanese hot shoe, driving minimal-weight, insanely-powered sprint cars and modifieds. Think touge running is the be-all and end-all? Try spending more than half of a 1/2 mile oval sideways in a 800-hp open-wheel sprint car that ways about 1200 pounds,on dirt, in traffic at 120-160 mph with 12 other guys packed right around you trying to pass your ass.

10-18-03-6-7t-69.jpg


The thing that leaves drifting in a quandry is, as Gil also says, the issue of politics and subjectivity. Racing is too political already, when the final judge is the stopwatch. When you throw out the objective clock, and have 6 guys with point cards as the final judges, the whole thing becomes kind of unsatisfying to many people.
Click to expand...

Thats Exaggerating- "Most of these guys have spent more time sideways than any 23-year-old Japanese hot shoe, driving minimal-weight, insanely-powered sprint cars and modifieds"

Drifting in Japan became popular in the mid 80s, so the pros are much older than that and MUCh more experience. And they dont need crazy modified cars either, just regular cars with some adjustments will suffice. All the stickers you see are sponser stickers, so the are not showing off that.
 
Originally posted by askia47
Thats Exaggerating- "Most of these guys have spent more time sideways than any 23-year-old Japanese hot shoe, driving minimal-weight, insanely-powered sprint cars and modifieds"

Drifting became popular in the mid 80s, so the pros are much older than that and MUCh more experience.
Click to expand...
Oval track racing became popular in the mid '40s, so most of the pros have died of old age, been replaced by a second generation of pros who died of old age, been replaced by a third generation of pros who retired, been replaced by the current generation of pros who are still active though in the process of being replaced by a fifth generation of 23-year-old hot shoes.

So just face facts. Drifting was not invented in Japan, or in the last 20 years. It's nothing to be ashamed of. But that's exactly the attitude I'm talking about, so thanks for demonstrating it so quickly and effectively.
 
I only have a few things to say. First off, i enjoy drifting if i can actually pull it off (in video games.. i cant drive yet.) - Second, drifting is a sport that's enjoyed by many, though some of them may act immature as stated many time in this thread. One thing i can say is this: Don't judge a book by its cover. Nobody really has the right to judge anything by the way it looks. Drifting takes skill, and alot of it. I don't think anyone here can just go hop in a car and drift around a corner without any problems at all on their first try. Drifting takes practice, just as grip racing does. I myself am really not good at either, but i still enjoy both of them equally.

The whole conversation here about Drifting can also be related to the "ricer" community. How many of them actually act like civilized people, and how many do? Sure, some may type with massive errors and/or illiteracy and without any punctuation at all, but you can't judge them by how they type and what they say. You can only judge them by watching them race. Drifting and "rice" racing, and just regular grip racing is all the same, if you think about it. Everyone is in a car, everyone is driving, and everyone is thinking about how to approach their next turn, and when to shift, etc etc etc.. They just all apply their methods in different ways.

In a way, all these different styles of racing are just like all the different types of people. Back in the day, white people didnt like black people, and so on and so forth. Thus, there were disagreements (large ones at that), and problems were caused. But were they not solved? It may have taken a while, but they were. Different types of racing are just like the racism back in the day.

Whites is to Negros as Grip is to Drift..

Not being racist or anything there, but if you think about how the whites were to the blacks back in the day then you'll practically get the current day situation.

Thats pretty much everythign i have to say... Just remember that all sports require skill to do, and if one enjoys drifting he/she should not be hated for it.

Beep.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Oval track racing became popular in the mid '40s, so most of the pros have died of old age, been replaced by a second generation of pros who died of old age, been replaced by a third generation of pros who retired, been replaced by the current generation of pros who are still active though in the process of being replaced by a fifth generation of 23-year-old hot shoes.

So just face facts. Drifting was not invented in Japan, or in the last 20 years. It's nothing to be ashamed of. But that's exactly the attitude I'm talking about, so thanks for demonstrating it so quickly and effectively.
Click to expand...

.....you dont get it do you? Did i say in my post drifting was invented in japan? I said it became popular in japan in the mid 80s!

WHERE DID I SAY DRIFTING WAS INVENTED IN MY POST?!! I DIDNT SMART ONE.

IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS REFERRING TO THE FIRST DRIFTERS OF THE WORLD, THEN I CHANGED IT FOR YOU. I MEANT JAPANESE DRIFTING STARTING IN THE 80S.

I said that most pro drifters in japan now are 30-40 olds. THATS ALL I SAID. YOU COMPLETELY DISREGARDED WHAT I SAID.

I did not any thing wrong, and i wont just take getting beat on just because i ilke something.
 
I drifted and enjoyed myself for a while, around a year or two. Its fun, but its like Pokemon. It'll be huge for a little while, 5 or 6 years if it's lucky, and then it'll be whisped back into Japan where it'll pop back up in another 5 years.
 
Originally posted by askia47
I said it became popular in japan in the mid 80s!
Click to expand...

Well, be fair. That's what you said AFTER duke had quoted it. Originally you said "drifting became popular in the mid 80s". Now going off on one at him for reacting to what you typed rather than what you meant isn't exactly fair is it?

The original context of your post was that drifting came around in the mid 80s and the Japanese people that did it are now in their 40s. Duke's reaction to this context was a resounding so what? He then went on to say drifting started earlier than that in the US and the people that did it are either extremely old or dead. Now you've changed the context. There's no NEED FOR ALL THE CAPITAL LETTERS THOUGH.
 
Originally posted by Famine
Well, be fair. That's what you said AFTER duke had quoted it. Originally you said "drifting became popular in the mid 80s".
Click to expand...

I truly meant Japan though. Im not lying, i changed it after he thought that i meant drifting started altoghter in the 80s. i changed it because the message was unclear. sorry for the mix up. Sorry for the CAPITAL LETTERS. I was mad at the time.:)
 
Wow, there are some really strong emotions towards this subject aren't there?:lol:

Well I already gave in my two cents about the subject at hand so I won't give a five paragraph spiel again on how drifting has affected my life. I will state that I had no idea that sprint racing has been around since the mid 40's and that it pretty much changes my whole perspective on drifting in general. I thin it's pretty cool to watch (I started watching sprint cars about 5 years ago) and when you get the chance it's fun to take your car around the track as well.

The only thing that I can say is that these guys are on dirt tracks and most (if not all) drifters practice their skill on asphalt.
What am I getting at?
Well when it comes to cars and types of motorsports then a little thing like that changes the whole meaning of what it is. Where as it's drifting on blacktop, people who do the same thing, but on ice, snow, mud, etc. call it rally racing. It's just the little differences is all.

With out continuing on too much. I think that, as it was mentioned before, drifting will be just a fad that will be here for a relative little while and then slowly die back over to Japan, but like breakdancing (which I do as well) there will always be the small groups here and there that still practice it. If you think about it (this is for the comparison of street racing to drifting) street racing had all but died out until F&F came out, now it's sparked the interest of young street and track racers across the country (IMO street racing will die out shortly enough).

As for me, love me or hate me, I will continue to drift because it makes me smile. Just the other day me and a large group of Marines went over to the Nago Circuit to show off our drifting skills, we made so many friends that day that I almost don't want to leave the island. That's pretty much why I do it, I make myself happy and in the process I make others smile and cheer for me (how often do you get to do that) while enjoying myself and I make tons of friends in the process. Also if you hate me simply because I'm a drifter in real life or even in the game, then I challenge you . . . NO . . . I dare you, to make friends with me. You'll find out that I'm a highly educated individual that is simply a cool guy that worships cars. It's that simple. Now the next time that you rag on someone because of there grammar (as much as I hate it too, trust me I've chewed lots of ass because people wanted to type improperly) simply find out who they are as a person and try to see things there way, I haven't run in to one drifter yet that I couldn't just hang with because they were too silly. Besides myself that is:lol:

Now look what you made me do, dang thats a lot to read. Oh well, this is the part where I say:

Semper Fidelis
Shadow Drifter
 
Note! I would like to say a couple things:

1) There are plenty of asphalt sprinters and modifieds. They tend to run on 1/2 mile tracks rather than 1/4s or 3/8s because the speeds are higher. On asphalt, the sprinters top out around 160 mph on the short straights.

2) Nowhere have I ever stated that I hate drifting or drifters. I've never said it takes no skill - unlike many people, who insist drags or oval track racing takes no skill. I'm sure it's a ball to do and very enjoyable for the participants. I just don't think it warrants a ton of legitimacy as a motorsport. I sincerely hope that the drifting scene continues to mature and get organized, sanctioning bodies, etc. to help the events run more smoothly and safely. I will just always be more interested in timed events rather than judged events.

It's just the attitude, so frequently shown around here, that sets me off: the assumption that drifting was invented in Japan in the last 20 years, that it is the ultimate test of driving skill, and that nothing else is worthy of respect. So I tend to give it right back, as I did here today.
 

Latest Posts

Back