The future of Gran Turismo

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True, but at least they recognized the issues and fixed what they reasonably could. They then mostly used it as a testing ground for the next game's features, like the penalty system and a newer drag racing system.
It took several months though, but at its core some things remained terrible, such as all cars coming with pre-installed tuning parts etc.

I suppose the same will be true for GT7. The shallow campaign cannot be redeemed, but over time it might restore some dignity where it’s currently lacking.
 
This. So much this.

If you had a GT-a-like rival game, you'd be dancing for joy at the disaster that is Gran Turismo 7. It's a complete by-numbers blueprint of how not to do it. So you simply do the opposite and you can't lose.
I wouldn't think T10 are looking at it that closely. They've already been reprimanded by the community hard for attempting MXTs, and pulled back on that idea pretty quickly. I think they'd be nuts to make that same mistake again. And T10/PG have always skewed their economy more towards the player's benefit.

If there's anything to be watching, it's other things they know their game will share such as sounds, physics, customization, so forth. But, given GT7 is a month old and FM8 is likely 3-4 years in right now, they've probably got most of what they're after set & it's just still developing/polishing it for E3 & Holiday 2022 (assuming they're after a release this year).
 
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The driving of the cars is more or less fine in GT7. It's everything else in the game that's the problem, and in that regard, why the hell should I continue to play it when it doesn't respect my time, and other games in the genre do?
Bingo.

I just wish Polyphony would learn from Forza too.
No joke, I've been wanting Polyphony to add a ForzaVista-esque mode to Gran Turismo for years. I'm still shocked GT doesn't have something similar to this.
 
No joke, I've been wanting Polyphony to add a ForzaVista-esque mode to Gran Turismo for years. I'm still shocked GT doesn't have something similar to this.
This... Would actually be pretty damn awesome, it would give another level of immersion on exploring the cars of your dreams, or any car in the game really. Especially with GT7's 2nd to none high detailed models (for all the bad it has, it certainly is the best in this aspect).

But, first and foremost, resources should be spent on "fixing" the game and more cars and tracks to be added. But damn if I wouldn't be pleased with a feature like that even if it's just a gimmick.
 
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Without Kaz I'm sure GT would turn into another Forza Horizon, and that would not be a good thing.
Agree.
A Gran Turismo without Kaz is like a Metal Gear Solid without Hideo Kojima.
I mean, mostly the spirit of a franchise has a lot to do with the producer.
Kaz might be on a wrong way now(though I think it's Sony behind all of these action that triggered fans like us), but without him, then Gran Turismo is no more Gran Turismo.
 
Unfortunately there is more than one way to create a disaster, and Turn 10 already made their own for reference. It was called Forza Motorsport 7.
To be fair to FM7, I own all the cars I’d ever want. Have many millions in the bank, still have a bunch of races left to complete, and never once paid any more than the purchase price of the game.

GT7 can’t hold a candle to Forza, and I mean any of the motorsport editions right back to FM1. Gran Turismo 7 is a broken dinosaur, a delusional take on modern F2P games with ambitions waaay above its station.
 
Agree.
A Gran Turismo without Kaz is like a Metal Gear Solid without Hideo Kojima.
I mean, mostly the spirit of a franchise has a lot to do with the producer.
Kaz might be on a wrong way now(though I think it's Sony behind all of these action that triggered fans like us), but without him, then Gran Turismo is no more Gran Turismo.
Isn't this a bit disrespectful of the other 250 staff at PD? The spirit of a game does not just come from one person.

I agree that when you change developer entirely then you can lose something, but just replacing the person in charge doesn't have to delete the entire spirit of the game. The new person just has to understand that spirit and make sure it remains within the team, whilst also providing a breath of fresh air.

Heck, for all we know that person is already present at PD, they just need to be given the chance to take charge.
 
... I suppose the same will be true for GT7. The shallow campaign cannot be redeemed, but over time it might restore some dignity where it’s currently lacking.
Where the menu books currently end at 39 with a "wow, you've come so far on your journey, but this is only the beginning" or whatever they said, should be taken to be the end of the tutorial.

The serious GT mode events aren't there yet, the "world tour" has only played one gig at some locations! The potential for events is huge, something to do for every car. Even with say, 20 spot races for each dot on the map, that's 680, add in championships and you've got yourself a campaign a bit bigger than even the huge GT4. No need to feel compelled to do all of it if it's too big, one can take their menu book ending and be proud of it, but the big grand post-game, that's the future, if they do it right. Something to come back to for years.
 
They haven't forgotten. It's the fact that the core of the game is still very good that they're so frustrated about the parts that bring it down.

If the entire game was a complete dumpster fire then people would just give up entirely. It's because deep down under all the terrible design choices it's a very good game they're not.

Most people are not directing "Blind hate" at Kaz or PD either. Some are, but most are not.
The complaints and review bombing says something else.
 
Even though the current state of GT7 is very bad, I still have hope they can turn this shipwreck around and improve it over time. Just look at the poor state GTS launched in and how it ended up with many new cars, tracks and events added.


Short term solution (like in weeks) :
  • Their top priority should be to deal with racing payouts, it was already bad in 1.06, it’s bloody pathetic in 1.07. Kaz needs to stop being pigheaded and allow the game to have a normal working economy. Racing payouts (including time trial and custom races) need to be a lot higher, we need to be able to sell cars (both purchased and gifted) and the hardcap for credits needs to be 999,999,999. And a daily login bonus would be nice as well.
  • I would also remove the microtransactions completely from the PlayStation store. It’s gotten such bad press, it would be the wise thing to do. If Sony really wants to milk our wallets, please do so by content expansion packs, not by just selling Cr.

Long term solution (like in months) :
  • There need to be a ton more races and championships, especially on the tracks that got little love in the menu books (Kyoto driving park anyone?)
  • There need to be weekly singleplayer events with super high payouts like in older GT games.
  • New cars and tracks added over time.
 
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The complaints and review bombing says something else.
Are they? I said there are some who just post "Kaz you suck" "This game sucks" messages, or something similar, but most of the complaints are fairly explained and rationalised.

Here, let me take the 5 latest English "reviews" right now.

This game is a lie! Sony put microtransactions after good reviews Just fool players. Shame!
Utter bull

Can't sell your cars?
Have to pay more than the initial purchase of the game for cars you might want?
Decreasing the winnings from races?
CEO says they need to keep prices more realistic? Sir, an air filter does not cost $2500 get a grip on reality..
What a shame. Amazing gameplay ruined by mtx with worse payouts and always online drm. Conglaturations sony
Love the gameplay other than the micro transactions and always online. This is NOT what we want. Because of that I’m giving it a 1. Hopefully they see these reviews and make some changes.
Polyphony have really dropped the ball with this one. Was good at launch but after some recent patches it has made the game way more of a grind to try and get you to buy the micro transactions. Plus the always online even if you only play the single player is a joke.
They all explain their issues, they don't resort to any "blind hate". Only one mentions the "CEO" and merely suggests he gets a grip on reality with a fair example of holes in logic of the message he posted. Even addressed him as sir!

They even have positivities in them, these are not people just hating on the game because they hate the game. They're laying out the issues they have with it.
 
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Apart from core content, let's talk about some features that are sorely missed:
-Ability to sell cars
-Ability to gift cars/items.
-Login bonuses
-Horns (meep-meep!)

Currently, some of these features directly contradict the need to use MTX, (unlike the horns, which they could actually monetize lol). So, until SONY back down, these features will not come.

I've, many times, made the claim that they explicitly advertised ability to sell cars on BOTH the PSN game page, as well on the back of the disk case.

It's been brought to my attention, that neither the base or 25th AE editions of the game say this on the back of the cover. Only the game page online has it. Which could be an interesting investigation into when exactly that stopped being a thing.


And now for some features that will help bring Grantirusmo into the modern age of sim racers:
-FOV slider! For the love of God!
-Multiple cockpit views, with/without steering wheel
-Ability to rotate 3rd person camera; not a toggle for side and rear views
-More cockpit and 3rd person camera adjustment settings
-Tire pressure monitor/adjustment
-More in-depth suspension tuning (caster anyone?)
-More decal placement options. Give me the freedom to stickerbomb my entire windshield. I don't care about seeing through it, it's my choice, I'll live with the consequences.
 
More difficult would be adding a "Stop annoying me, talking head elitist" button, but we can dream, right?
You do realise you can do that in the options menu?

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Agree.
A Gran Turismo without Kaz is like a Metal Gear Solid without Hideo Kojima.
I mean, mostly the spirit of a franchise has a lot to do with the producer.
Kaz might be on a wrong way now(though I think it's Sony behind all of these action that triggered fans like us), but without him, then Gran Turismo is no more Gran Turismo.
HA, he is why GT7 is a dumpster fire right now. Because of him GT has been a let down for two decades now.

And Kojima without Konami holding back his bs weirdoness made a 40 hour walking simulator with toilet babies lol.


Its all Kaz always was, two decades worth of idiotic decisions is unarguable.
 
Even though the current state of GT7 is very bad, I still have hope they can turn this shipwreck around and improve it over time. Just look at the poor state GTS launched in and how it ended up with many new cars, tracks and events added.


Short term solution (like in weeks) :
  • Their top priority should be to deal with racing payouts, it was already bad in 1.06, it’s bloody pathetic in 1.07. Kaz needs to stop being pigheaded and allow the game to have a normal working economy. Racing payouts (including time trial and custom races) need to be a lot higher, we need to be able to sell cars (both purchased and gifted) and the hardcap for credits needs to be 999,999,999. And a daily login bonus would be nice as well.
  • I would also remove the microtransactions completely from the PlayStation store. It’s gotten such bad press, it would be the wise thing to do. If Sony really wants to milk our wallets, please do so by content expansion packs, not by just selling Cr.

Long term solution (like in months) :
  • There need to be a ton more races and championships, especially on the tracks that got little love in the menu books (Kyoto driving park anyone?)
  • There need to be weekly singleplayer events with super high payouts like in older GT games.
  • New cars and tracks added over time.

Great Post.

Funny thing is if they were suddenly to make all those improvements in the near future (unlikely I know) they could come out of this with flying colours.

negative situations/perceptions can be a chance to turn people's view into an extremely positive one, should you choose to listen and deliver what they actually want and perhaps exceed expectations.

Tge longer they drag out this current direction, the more people it will alienate, get bad press and lose further custom.

I hope PD are listening to the widespread concern that's easy enough to find. It's not confined to sites like this containing more hardcore/serious players, bit it's in national press, the big gaming sites etc
 
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More difficult would be adding a "Stop annoying me, talking head elitist" button, but we can dream, right?
There is already an option to push "circle" to go through directly, so adding a step further should not be so hard. I can't stand Sarah's commiseration anymore (yet I have to go through everytime I miss a sector, and I know I have many more to come...)

If you had a GT-a-like rival game, you'd be dancing for joy at the disaster that is Gran Turismo 7. It's a complete by-numbers blueprint of how not to do it.
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The potential for events is huge, something to do for every car. Even with say, 20 spot races for each dot on the map, that's 680, add in championships and you've got yourself a campaign a bit bigger than even the huge GT4.
I hope they will do that. But I wonder how we will be able to see from their UI which events we completed. Right now tell me how you know which tracks you completed circuit experience on, and with which results (bronze, silver, gold) without painfully entering each individual track and there go inside circuit experience.

You do realise you can do that in the options menu?
it does not remove them, it allows to skip them once they are on screen, you see them every time, you spare a lot of clicks to skip every sentence, it is better than nothing but it would be much better to be able to disable them entirely (Sarah in particular)
 
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Are they? I said there are some who just post "Kaz you suck" "This game sucks" messages, or something similar, but most of the complaints are fairly explained and rationalised.

Here, let me take the 5 latest English "reviews" right now.


They all explain their issues, they don't resort to any "blind hate". Only one mentions the "CEO" and merely suggests he gets a grip on reality with a fair example of holes in logic of the message he posted. Even addressed him as sir!

They even have positivities in them, these are not people just hating on the game because they hate the game. They're laying out the issues they have with it.
rly?

The most recommended reviews are 0 ratings and they are basically taking a **** on the game.

The newest reviews, more bombs with typical 0 ratings

Most of the complaints are basic review bombs
 
Perhaps the original GT HD plans hints at a possible future after seeing GT7. They could go down the road of a basic free 2 play but charge for every other additional aspect like they're peerless digital craftspeople.

Predatory Digital can be their aka
 
Well.. yes, that was the first post i made, it's embarrassing to read some the reviews, but at least it shows more about the "reviewers" than anything.
I was being sarcastic...

If I open MC and sort by last reviews, the page is filled with people expressing genuine critics. That's not the did of a bunch of trolls from Forza.

That review bombing is not free spitefulness from players who don't love GT series. I think it's quite the opposite.
 
I was being sarcastic...

If I open MC and sort by last reviews, the page is filled with people expressing genuine critics. That's not the did of a bunch of trolls from Forza.

That review bombing is not free spitefulness from players who don't love GT series. I think it's quite the opposite.
Like this:

So a score of ZERO is not what you would call a review bomb, the game is really a worthless empty shell of nothingness.. ?
The game is many things but a ZERO rating is by any standard an extreme view.

The professional reviews gave it a much much higher score, and that was with the roulette, low payouts and the current content.
Yes there weren't MTX but the MTX did not change what the game was judged on.
 
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So a score of ZERO is not what you would call a review bomb
Where did I say that there was no review bombing ? I said most of the reviews (in what is a real review bombing) were done by genuinely disappointed fans of GT.

I even write : "That review bombing is..."

How the players are supposed to voice their dismay, according to you ? Oh no don't put a zero, you'll hurt Sony's feeling.

As for the fact that the reviews of the professionnals would have been the same with MTX and the credit nerfing, I doubt it and we begin to ear backlash from them too.
 
Where did I say that there was no review bombing ? I said most of the reviews (in what is a real review bombing) were done by genuinely disappointed fans of GT.

I even write : "That review bombing is..."

How the players are supposed to voice their dismay, according to you ? Oh no don't put a zero, you'll hurt Sony's feeling.

As for the fact that the reviews of the professionnals would have been the same with MTX and the credit nerfing, I doubt it and we begin to ear backlash from them too.
How would MTX influence the professional reviews, it's the same game?

You said: "If I open MC and sort by last reviews, the page is filled with people expressing genuine critics."

Genuine critic in 7 lines of pure bitching followed up with 0, yeah i am sure Sony is hurt by those in depth childish reviews.
 
I did these 3 races last night on GTS….

5 laps of Le Mans
5 laps of Saint-Croix
3 laps of Nurburgring 24hr layout

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If GT7 worked like that with custom races, none of these threads would even exist. It’s such a simple solution to please everyone.
 
“I don’t normally play the past editions of Gran Turismo,” answers Yamauchi. “But since I started doing the world tours, the players, they’re all young guys but they all bring GT2 or GT3 with them – like, how old were you when this game came out!? So I’ve had more opportunity to play them recently, and it’s surprising how much I’ve forgotten!”

not enough, apparently
 
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I know what I want in this game. Honestly what I have been wanting for a long long time.

- A lot more cars (older and newer). Bring back all the regular cars. Not just track specific and sports cars, and especially not just new cars. Older games were just as much about collecting as also tuning and racing everyday street cars. Im not saying bring back every variant of the MX5/Miata or Skyline but there should be a model representation of every generation of notable car models ex... Supra, RX7, Escort-Focus (RS and GT), Nissan Z etc... Bring back things like the Sierra, Mondeo, FTO, Starion, Escort, Protege, Mazda3/6, Del Sol etc.... Brands like Holden, Saab, Volvo, especially Lotus!!!?Blows my mind not seeing at least the Caterham or Elise. (Though I will not say another bad thing about this game if they added the Esprit SE(89-92)). This would obviously require restructuring the team to add resources towards model procurement and development. Maybe outsource if you can maintain quality control. But Ever since the FIA partnership it really seems the series took a sharp turn towards built race variants(looking at all those GR and fantasy cars)

-More tracks - Bring back things like Citta Di Aria, Grinderwald, Pikes Peak, Cote d'Azur and the host of other great tracks from past games

-As mentioned - Daily/Weekly Single player events. Not sure if Sport eventually added these as I dropped Sport pretty quickly but I enjoyed them immensely in the past numbered games. Though I feel this is pretty likely down the line

-Bring back B-Spec. Double extra points if they can put out a nicely integrated companion mobile app and not just via remote play.

-Customization needs to add penalty/benefit to various mods. Similar to Forza, weight and aero tied to wheels and body kits.

-Improved Damage. Improved Visual would be great but at least bring back Axle/Mecanical and the possibility to DNF (again, maybe sport had this)

These are just the ones at the forefront of my mind. With all that said. I think outside of some new cars and tracks the game/series trajectory has been set for a long time towards monetization and will no doubt fall into the pay to play loop eventually. Probably just a Base(bare) game releases with lots of DLC micro transactions and online only. It is just the state of play these days. I also dont have much hope for the car library either. Enthusiasm for cars in general has waned and the series itself seems to be following the general car market. At least it isnt pumped full of S & CUV's. Im not sure if it is Kaz himself but I have felt the series sort of stagnate about 3 or 4. Some neat ideas tried but overall the series was sort of left behind by games like Forza. Though I have my issues with Forza as well. 7 was a mess but I am looking forward to 8 though I have a feeling it will suffer a similar fate.

 
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There hasn't been news of an update all week, I'm already starting to lose complete interest in GT7. I'm sure there's plenty of other purchasers out there like me. If PD doesn't get this contained and start drumming up some positive attitudes, I fear all the backlash might convince Sony to ask Kaz to resign.

My interest in what a v1.09 or whatever patch would bring is stronger than my interest in the game right now. They need an update and they needed it yesterday, just something to tell the players they're paying attention.

This may have permanent damaging effects on a majority of the GT fanbase. The hardcores will still play, but I'm seriously questioning if my time is even worth it for this game unless something gets changed.
 
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