The Guy Poll - Week 1

[FoolKiller]

Point taken FK. However, It also perpetuates that myth that men are stupid, shallow, and have all but given over control to their "johnson" "the battle bridge", "Little head", whatever you care to call it. And I for one would like to believe that some of us are beyond that.

Does it perpetuate this myth? Does not most attraction start with physical attraction? I mean, if a woman was utterly repulsive 99% of men would have trouble holding a conversation long enough to find out anything more about her.

You cannot deny that everyone has certain physical aspects they look for in a partner. Even those who are looking for a long-term relationship/future spouse have to have a physical preference because someone who turns you off physically will not make a good mate.

I am married but I can take a joke poll like this for what it is without getting worked up and my wife can see my vote and not get upset, despite being a pale skinned redhead, because she knows that I find her phsyically attractive. Of course she also thinks that tanned women have better looking skin and wishes she could tan. Had it not been for a mutual physical attraction my wife and I would not have even started talking at that party 3.5 years ago. And just like we made a mental and emotional connection, we know that any one of those things could have ended the connection.

So does that make you snooty to want a woman that meets you on an intellectual level? Just because she doesn't stimulate your mind or trigger an emotional reaction does that suddenly make you bad in some way? No. So why is it that when physical attractiveness plays into it that it suddenly makes men pigs?

If I had to choose based only on skin color, I would have to abstain.
I want to know that I can have a conversation with her.
I want to know that she digs my music, and vice versa.

No one asked you to pick a wife, just what do you find more appealing? Are you going to deny that certain types of women have less of a physical appeal to you than others?

You can only have "wild monkey, hang from the chandalier sex" for so long before you get bored (hard to believe, but true).

I'll believe it when it stops. The key is different types of chandaliers.

I surmise that if more of us took the time to really get to know each other, instead of rushing around like cats in heat, this country for one, might not have the divorce rate that it does.

My wife and I talked for three hours straight the night we first met then again at another party the next night, then every night on the phone for a week, and then had what some claim was our first date (although we still claim we were just friends at the time), and then had our first official date (with a kiss and all that) a week after that. Is that enough getting to know each other first? Yet, it was the initial, "Hey, I think the chick that showed up with Ryan is cute. I think I'm going to go talk to her, hope Ryan doesn't mind." thought process that started the entire thing.

Is that a huge-gantic leap from where we started? Again, a resounding "yes."
But if we go to picking mates or even just ****-buddies, based on their state of tan, then we really have sunk about as low as possible without having to "look up to see down."

Who asked you to pick a mate? And if you are just looking for a buddy of that kind why would it matter if you are using physical atributes as a judgement? It isn't as if you are looking to discuss Nietzsche or read Shakespeare afterwards.

I think that you have taken a poll meant entirely in jest a tad bit serious. I would hate to see what kind of letters you have written to "Sports Illustrated" about their swimsuit issue or "Maxim" about any issue, particularly their recent "100 Hottest Women" issue which had a TV show version on VH1 just last night. You probably think Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Corolla are the worst kind of men out there for creating "The Man Show" and having dancers called juggies. They are both married by the way.

 

[Pupik]

So your problem isn't with the artificial nature of that tan, but rather the fake appearance . I guess then I agree. Except I'd add that I've seen women use makeup quite well to change their skin color.

Some yes, some no. It probably depends on how skilled at application or how expensive their make-up is. And like any good painter will tell you, you have to know when enough is enough. I believe less is more, when it comes to make up.

Maybe you have it better in California; women tend to have very nice complexions (from my expereinces visiting the state). Even not-so-attractive women tend to have smooth skin, for some reason. Maybe it's because you have roughly 90% less humidity than Florida does at any given time...or something in the water...I'm not sure.

 

[FoolKiller]

Some yes, some no. It probably depends on how skilled at application or how expensive their make-up is. And like any good painter will tell you, you have to know when enough is enough. I believe less is more, when it comes to make up.

For our marriage my wife went to a professional place where it was done by machine in three different sessions and it was about $35 per session. I have to admit it looked really good and the people at the tanning salon used just the right tint to make it look like she had been out in the sun.

Maybe you have it better in California; women tend to have very nice complexions (from my expereinces visiting the state). Even not-so-attractive women tend to have smooth skin, for some reason. Maybe it's because you have roughly 90% less humidity than Florida does at any given time...or something in the water...I'm not sure.

Depending on where in California you went you might have just seen women who are willing to put tons of money into looking good. That can even be done in Kentucky but the standard of living is much lower so only a handful can afford it.

 

[Omnis]

Still no love for the ebony chocolate thunder.

 

[kikie]

I wonder why??

 

[Danoff]

If I had to choose based only on skin color, I would have to abstain.
I want to know that I can have a conversation with her.
I want to know that she digs my music, and vice versa.

Think of the question as "what type of girl would you like to see on the cover of playboy" or even a less reputable magazine. This is a purely visual question. Forget about personality, interests, and anything other than the way she looks.

 

[Pupik]

Depending on where in California you went you might have just seen women who are willing to put tons of money into looking good. That can even be done in Kentucky but the standard of living is much lower so only a handful can afford it.

The San Jose and San Franscico-areas were a lot more "upscale" than the Santa Rosa-area; but that peculiar "perfect complexion" phenomenon still carried over, for whatever reason.

It's possible in the well-to-do areas of southern Florida, but it's just not as common an occurance for some reason.

[crosses figers for Dittos to come back into style, though]

 

[Evolution.]

Guys, if your not going to stay on the main topic (voting and talking about why you chose what you did choose) then you could kindly just leave. I never meant any harm or arguments by this, it's just a simple poll.

Maybe an appearance question wasn't a good way to start week 1....

 

[MagpieRacer]

I dont think it matters but at a push...fair..

 

[Acid X]

Lots of people have different opinions on everything. But i have to agree 110% with FoolKiller. He speaks the mighty word... If it wasnt for even the slightest physical attraction i know i wouldn't really try talking to a girl to get to know her... Sure, there's certain people that base things solely of looks, but this is just a simple questionnaire, if you will..

Everyone in the world thinks someone is attractive in some way shape or form. Someone who i feel i could never be attracted to can be easily found attractive by someone else; Why, just the other day i told a friend of mine that i wasn't too attracted physically to a girl, and he was like "what? you must be crazy!" because he thought she was pretty...

I don't think any guy on the planet can say (without being a liar) that they didn't find one single thing attractive (physically) on their mate, but instead just loved their personality. Because it's not true! There will always be SOMETHING that a man finds attractive physically on a woman.. No matter what it is.

But i will agree that not always will one go up to a woman and talk to her just because she's pretty. Heck, you might think you aren't attracted to a girl but she may be interested in something you are and you start talking about it with her.. Next thing you know you find something about her you find attractive. Atleast, that's what i think..

Like in the example i told you about a moment ago, that girl that i didnt think was attractive ended up being attractive after all. I started talking to her and noticed she had really pretty eyes.. etc....

So take that!

 

[Evolution.]

Lots of people have different opinions on everything. But i have to agree 110% with FoolKiller. He speaks the mighty word... If it wasnt for even the slightest physical attraction i know i wouldn't really try talking to a girl to get to know her... Sure, there's certain people that base things solely of looks, but this is just a simple questionnaire, if you will..

Thanks, that's what I was trying to say.

And Gil, no hard feelings, I wasn't trying to be hostile towards you. I just didn't want this to end up being one huge argument.

 

[Kylehnat]

I just didn't want this to end up being one huge argument.

Well, arguing who has the right answer to subjective (and ultimately pointless) questions is what we men do best

 

[Evolution.]

Top 3:

1st: Tan (Real/Natural/Inherited) 45 Votes , 55.56%
2nd: Fair Skin 21 Votes, 25.93%
3rd: Tan (Either Way) 11 Votes, 13.58%

These are your weiners.

 

[FoolKiller]

Well, arguing who has the right answer to subjective (and ultimately pointless) questions is what we men do best

Wait! What about drinking beer (or other alcoholic beverage) and using deadly power tools without any of the proper safety precautions (such as not being drunk)?

But as I mentioned with my wife's fake tan for our wedding, they can look good if they are expensive and professionally done, but most fake tans, especially the ones done at home, look weird and definitely fake. Nothing makes a woman look funnier than splotchy orange skin that rubs off when she starts to sweat.

Honestly I would agree with the top 2 rankings in my order of preference. I like a nice natural tan the best, but if they can't tan then fair skin (not where's my sunglasses? white) looks really nice.

I guess I just like things to appear natural whether it be tanned or not. I guess if it was a really good fake tan I wouldn't know the difference anyway.

 

[Dave A]

What about a girl your not physically attracted to enough to go over in a bar or club, but you work with and sit near, you get to know them them quite well in situations like that, what if a girl your not attracted to comes over to you and says something that gets your attention, then a conversation starts, there's more ways to get interested in a girl than you going up to her on a night out. You might end up really getting on with each other and suddenly not care about the looks. If everyone only started going out with girls based on looks you'd never see an ugly girl with a ring on her finger or a man by her side.

 

[FoolKiller]

What about a girl your not physically attracted to enough to go over in a bar or club, but you work with and sit near, you get to know them them quite well in situations like that, what if a girl your not attracted to comes over to you and says something that gets your attention, then a conversation starts, there's more ways to get interested in a girl than you going up to her on a night out. You might end up really getting on with each other and suddenly not care about the looks. If everyone only started going out with girls based on looks you'd never see an ugly girl with a ring on her finger or a man by her side.

This is understandable. But you begin to notice things that are attractive, such as a smile or a way that she moves, or even a smell. If there is 0% physical attraction then unattractive people would never have kids.

I have also had the opposite happen. My first girlfriend ever was cute, but after I started dating her (dating meaning holding hands in the school hallway) I began to find her less and less attractive as I realized we had nothing in commonand that she annoyed me. I realized I didn't even want to kiss her anymore. Suddenly instead of her cute attributes I would notice an oddly placed mole or other small imperfections until they all added up in my head to make her ugly. Being 14 at the time I didn't know enough to realize my mind tricked me into getting away from her due to incompatibility.

It's like in Seinfeld when he would get tired of a girl and suddenly one little oddity about her stuck out in his head and he would break up with them over that trivial little thing that suddenly seemed huge.

Now take an ugly/average girl that you never had an attraction to before but non-relationship reasons cause you to be in close proximity. You realize how great of a person she is and suddenly your mind notices the way she crosses her legs or smiles or smells or flips her hair or...etc.

Next thing you know, despite the fact that you have America's sweetheart, Jennifer Aniston, waiting for you at home, you find yourself a year later in Namibia having a baby with America's freak, Angelina Jolie. (Sorry, I have to deal with too much pop-culture news at my job. It starts to wear off on you after a while. But the close proximity example works.)

A better example would be that you suddenly find yourself in bed with the freckle-faced, accident-prone, glasses-wearing secretary that you were making fun of a month ago.

To sum up: physical attraction always happens, whether it comes first or last. It is a necessary component of any relationship.

 

[Gil]

Does it perpetuate this myth? Does not most attraction start with physical attraction? I mean, if a woman was utterly repulsive 99% of men would have trouble holding a conversation long enough to find out anything more about her.

You cannot deny that everyone has certain physical aspects they look for in a partner. Even those who are looking for a long-term relationship/future spouse have to have a physical preference because someone who turns you off physically will not make a good mate.

I am married but I can take a joke poll like this for what it is without getting worked up and my wife can see my vote and not get upset, despite being a pale skinned redhead, because she knows that I find her phsyically attractive. Of course she also thinks that tanned women have better looking skin and wishes she could tan. Had it not been for a mutual physical attraction my wife and I would not have even started talking at that party 3.5 years ago. And just like we made a mental and emotional connection, we know that any one of those things could have ended the connection.

So does that make you snooty to want a woman that meets you on an intellectual level? Just because she doesn't stimulate your mind or trigger an emotional reaction does that suddenly make you bad in some way? No. So why is it that when physical attractiveness plays into it that it suddenly makes men pigs?


No one asked you to pick a wife, just what do you find more appealing? Are you going to deny that certain types of women have less of a physical appeal to you than others?


I'll believe it when it stops. The key is different types of chandaliers.


My wife and I talked for three hours straight the night we first met then again at another party the next night, then every night on the phone for a week, and then had what some claim was our first date (although we still claim we were just friends at the time), and then had our first official date (with a kiss and all that) a week after that. Is that enough getting to know each other first? Yet, it was the initial, "Hey, I think the chick that showed up with Ryan is cute. I think I'm going to go talk to her, hope Ryan doesn't mind." thought process that started the entire thing.


Who asked you to pick a mate? And if you are just looking for a buddy of that kind why would it matter if you are using physical atributes as a judgement? It isn't as if you are looking to discuss Nietzsche or read Shakespeare afterwards.

I think that you have taken a poll meant entirely in jest a tad bit serious. I would hate to see what kind of letters you have written to "Sports Illustrated" about their swimsuit issue or "Maxim" about any issue, particularly their recent "100 Hottest Women" issue which had a TV show version on VH1 just last night. You probably think Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Corolla are the worst kind of men out there for creating "The Man Show" and having dancers called juggies. They are both married by the way.

FK, It's hard to believe that all this discussion stemmed from a simple "does it really matter"?.
Yes, attraction is a big part of the initial equation. But I have met entirely too many beautiful women that are entirely unbearable to be around. And one of my sons keeps bringing home girls with "great personalities." I'm learning a lot from that boy.
I guess that my "attitude" stems from being judged all my life by the color of my skin. (I once had a girl break up with me after her father discovered my race, though we had talked by phone quite a bit before he ever met me. I have also lost a job because my wife and I are of different races, and she had the poor timing to show up pregnant at my job). I grew up on and around military bases in California and learned very early that the "look of a man" didn't matter as much as the "heart of the man". This due to GI's of many ethnicities bringing home wives of many more different ethnicities.
Add to that, that I had the audacity to marry out of my race, and have endured a lot because of it, and you get, well, my essential "Gil-ness".

I never meant to offend. I never meant to belittle. I just wanted to encite some thought.

And BTW, I laughed out loud at the "chandelier suggestion.👍
Top notch stuff.

 

[Dave A]

EDIT:In response to Foolkiller

My my, thats a damn well thought out post that I can also agree with, I applaud you for it 👍..

Gil, it's been an interesting debate to read regardless of where it stemmed from.

 

[FoolKiller]

FK, It's hard to believe that all this discussion stemmed from a simple "does it really matter"?.

Isn't that how it always starts?

Yes, attraction is a big part of the initial equation. But I have met entirely too many beautiful women that are entirely unbearable to be around. And one of my sons keeps bringing home girls with "great personalities." I'm learning a lot from that boy.

I find that most drop dead gorgeous women are unbearable. My guess is that your son just hates being annoyed. It's like when I went to an amusement park (Cedar Point) a few weeks back. We seemed to be going at about the same pace as this other group. One of the girls was super hot, but she never shut up, including on the rollercoasters. I didn't see how her boyfriend could stand it. I was annoyed and I had only been around her for 15 minutes.

I guess that my "attitude" stems from being judged all my life by the color of my skin. (I once had a girl break up with me after her father discovered my race, though we had talked by phone quite a bit before he ever met me. I have also lost a job because my wife and I are of different races, and she had the poor timing to show up pregnant at my job).

Our generational differences show through here. The people who would judge me for marrying someone of a different race are easily avoided. I can think of three interracial marriages where I work and a couple of homosexual couples. Judgemental people are becoming less and less. I would almost never have the problems today that you had to deal with.

Add to that, that I had the audacity to marry out of my race, and have endured a lot because of it, and you get, well, my essential "Gil-ness".

You were slightly ahead of your time, but good for you for following your heart and not letting society judge you into something that didn't make you happy.

I never meant to offend. I never meant to belittle. I just wanted to encite some thought.

Trust me, I can't be offended,and I hope I didn't offend you. I think we have encited some though, albeit of-topic, but I think it cannot be denied that physical attractiveness, while shallow, is always there. Fortunately my wife understands this. She's even pointed out a girl at a club before and told me she looked cute. 👍 Of course, if she didn't do things like that she knows I wouldn't put up with Kenny Chesney music and Matthew McConaughey movies.

And BTW, I laughed out loud at the "chandelier suggestion.👍
Top notch stuff.

I'm only speaking from experience. Oh, and always anchor your chandelier properly into a strong support beam, otherwise the mood will be ruined real quick and your Batman cape gets all dirty.

 

[Gil]

FK,
You chose your name well.
I have had truly good laughs at two of your posts now.
And since seeing The Incredibles I've learned my lesson. NO CAPES!!

Like you, I'm not easily offended. And a lot of the crap I ran into 20+ years ago, I ran into in California.
Mostly, Californians are cool with that sort of stuff. So the jerks are much harder to ignore, cause they spring up and surprise you.

As far as being offensive that was more directed to the poor guy whose thread we hijacked.

 

[Danoff]

I'm only speaking from experience. Oh, and always anchor your chandelier properly into a strong support beam, otherwise the mood will be ruined real quick and your Batman cape gets all dirty.

Too funny.... I think.

Besides, the cape is easy to clean, it's the penguin outfit that's difficult. Wait, what? Who said? What?

 

[FoolKiller]

FK,
You chose your name well.
I have had truly good laughs at two of your posts now.
And since seeing The Incredibles I've learned my lesson. NO CAPES!!

A cape is fine when you have a chadelier, but if it's a ceiling fan you may get wrapped up in the motor and that is hard to explain to the EMS. If you are really lucky the motor will overheat and burst into flames and it will be 3 months of aloe-based ointment before you even think about trying that again.

As far as being offensive that was more directed to the poor guy whose thread we hijacked.

Oh, yeah. Sorry, MachOne. We won't do it in Week 2, I promise.

There is going to be a week 2 isn't there? There is nothing like high quality chauvinistic fun. 👍

Too funny.... I think.

Besides, the cape is easy to clean, it's the penguin outfit that's difficult. Wait, what? Who said? What?

Is your wife Batman or the Penguin? Because I have a whole stack of jokes over here for either one.

 

[Danny]

I like the skin tone to vary in different parts of the body.

 

[Omnis]

...I believe that's called being dirty.



Where's week 2?

 

[Danny]

She'd be my lady muck