Sorry for a late reply due to Easter, and that I was spending my holidays in a place where there is no internet access.
So you feel its OK to limit the rights of a group based on what part of it may or may not have said?
Once again, limiting marriage to just man-woman unions doesn't limit any rights. Similarly, if a gay man is not allowed to marry another man, a straight man can't either - it doesn't
de jure trample on gays' rights. On individual level, where legal issues about rights of the people are often looked at, the marriage is as accessible to anyone (law is blind, so to say).
Also, European Court of Human Rights has ruled that gay marriage is not a human right:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...human-right-according-to-European-ruling.html
Giving monetary incentives meant for mothers of the newborn to gay couples is _not_ pouring money to something useless?
Appeal to tradition and a rather poor one, given that its already been clearly demonstrated that the definition has been changed out of all context over the years, and not just the distant past.
For the record Finland last changed its marriage laws in the
1970's, which is a long way from literally forever.
Comparing making foreign marriages enjoy the same legal status as domestic marriages is pretty small a change. True, there have been changes, like allowing non-Christian marriage 100 years ago, allowing the women to keep their maiden name etc.
Ahh I see, so as long as there are less of them that us its OK to not allow them the same rights?
So I am not allowed to my opinion, huh?
Where? Should we go back to living in tribes because the last 5,000 years has unturned the relative consistency of the previous 50,000 years?
Again someone who doesn't understand the point of conservatism.
Don't fix it if it ain't broke, not "don't change it at all". Slow, controlled change is the key.
Okay. Take away all incentives that couples without children recieve.
That would be the best option.
I forgot, you live in one of those rare countries where the birth rate being too low is a problem. That said, how much money do you have to give them to make having a kid worth it? I mean, 18 years and thousands to millions of dollars later, none of our tax credits come close to being a gain. But do keep in mind that in other countries marriage and kids and handouts to them are not to try keeping the birth rate up. Most need lower both rates.
You're right, but the whole Continental Europe suffers from low birth rates and some countries (like Germany) even from population decline. It's really bad for the political influence of the EU that it's getting weaker just because the population is on decline.
You guys are so romantic in Finland. Makes me wonder about all those romance songs about Finland. Oh right.
I know. It's somehow in the culture here that men and boys aren't "allowed" to express emotions strongly, especially not those which could be seen as signals of weakness of some sort (even pretty far-fetched).
Now, come to America and tell almost any woman marriage is just about raising kids and love doesn't need marriage and you will find your relationships last only as long as the alcohol in her blood.
Well, maybe I exaggerated that a bit, of course we plan on getting married at some point, but I know a lot of people who are "practically married", to the point that our government made new laws regarding "open marriage" (or how should I translate it) that gives partial inheritance rights and such to people who have lived together for a long time.
I have to give in a bit, I see that gays may want to show their love in a will to get married as a commitement to each other similarly as heterosexual people want. I know, I cut the corners big time.
Or you think like a teenager and think you are near invincible.
Well, I'm only 21.
Setting aside past claims, by likely different supporters than you have today, why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt? If you have kids in need of a home and not enough good heterosexual homes then why not homosexual couples?
Is there really lack of people willing to adopt children in the US? Here the queues are years long, mainly composed of couples in their 40's who've realised they want to have children at an age too late or are infertile.
In a nation that has to socialize bribing people to have kids why wouldn't you support polygamy. One guy being able to produce five legitimate kids at once sounds like a good way to help boost the population.
That's a point, but I bet a lot of people would be against creating such a harem. Also, I couldn't picture anyone loving five woman at the same time. Really, that's absurd.
I would probably be pretty indifferent about the whole issue, first when I heard about the concept of gay marriage I was pretty sceptic, but having given it some thought I saw it was none of my problem, be it legalised or not. Anyway, having seen the hostile and rude behaviour of its supporters towards all conservatives (to which I myself strongly identify), I just cannot identify myself to such people who support it. This is pretty much seen in one incident in a pub I encountered: there was a small group of people, some of whom I knew (well enough) debating about gay marriage. I thought that because I haven't got strong opinion about it so I don't join them in the debate. They started getting more loud, and then someone started insulting conservatives and conservative values (liberal socialist bogus, nazi card and such). That guy just insulted like a half of the people there, those whom he just had insulted as an argument for gay marriage. I just couldn't help but that argument just cost him all my respect towards him (as was the case between a lot of people and him too). My primary reaction to that was just "WHAT did you just say, ****ing commie?", or such (anyway, you got the point I hope). Making people have such reactions doesn't do well in trying to convince people for the cause. I know a lot of people who would support gay marriage, or at least have nothing against it, but seeing such behaviour by some of the supporters doesn't really make the others (ie. moderate conservatives) support it.
I hope you see my point why I wondered that is gay marriage some people's war against conservatives.
