The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Ranman20]

Under certain circumstances you can.^

Not here to start stuff, just saying.

 

[Liquid]

Under certain circumstances you can.^

Not here to start stuff, just saying.

But you can explain in further detail what you mean.

And given your posts in the past, I'm not all that willing to believe that you aren't just trying to stir the pot.

 

[niky]

Under certain circumstances you can.^

Not here to start stuff, just saying.

Citation required.

A picture of yourself kissing another man would be sufficient. Don't forget the piece of paper in the photo with "Ranman20 says Hi to GTP" on it.

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Sexual orientation for most people is set in stone. For heteros like ourselves, there is absolutely no way in hell we can be convinced to have sex with someone of the same gender.

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That said, almost no one is completely hetero. Which leads up to:

The cause of homosexuality has always interested me. The fact the LGBT community is in quite a significant minority suggests to me that it is cause by external factors during infancy rather than being genetic. In evolutionary terms is seems like a genetic 'dead end' to me, unless it does happen to be some kind of evolutionary mechanism to cope with population control or whatever.

The expression of either feminine traits in men or masculine traits in women has been posited to have a survival value for the extended family or community.

While homosexuals tend to not procreate, their relatives do, and we are most altruistic to our relatives (genetically, being altruistic to your relatives is a survival trait). If you have altruistic relatives who have no children, then the resources put towards your child's survival are greater than if you don't.

There's also the idea that a man who's too manly (all testosterone, no lovey-dovey hugs) isn't a good father. An idea which does have its merits.

 

[Joel]

Almost forgot about the gay uncle theory

 

[Spoil-t]

For heteros like ourselves, there is absolutely no way in hell we can be convinced to have sex with someone of the same gender.

If I was hardcore gay bashing religious straight & someone offered me a million dollars or more to bang someone of the same sex I do it in a heartbeat. To bad I would do anyone for free.

 

[niky]

Which just proves, you're not straight.

The problem with defining homosexuality is that it's a sliding scale, not an on-off switch, which is why you can also have sort-of-gay-ish-dads, not just gay uncles. I'm pretty sure that it's been posted before, but it's worth checking out again:

www.okcupid.com/tests/the-what-percentage-gay-are-you-test‎

(Yes, not entirely accurate, but you get the idea.)

 

[Danny]

(Yes, not entirely accurate, but you get the idea.)

(Also not entirely working.)

 

[niky]

Give it a break. It was an old test.

 

[Liquid]

Just read this.

The World Cup, arguably the biggest sporting event in the world, is going to Qatar in 2022. Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar. And Sepp Blatter calls it a 'moral' issue.

Vile, in my opinion. Especially this bit;

Blatter has previously drawn criticism on the issue. Asked in December 2010 to give advice to gay fans wishing to attend the tournament, he said: "I'd say they should refrain from any sexual activities."

 

[Carbonox]

I still hold up my hopes that Qatar fails to host the Cup and it (rightfully) goes to Australia instead.

 

[PeterJB]

I'm still confused about why Qatar was chosen in the first place. It's not exactly known for it's sporting prowess.

 

[Liquid]

£££

 

[Danny]

Sepp Blatter only opens his mouth to change feet.

 

[Famine]

Presumably Step Ladder won't have any problems when the ballists themselves start getting locked up for hugging during goal celebrations?

 

[SagarisGTB]

Just read this.

The World Cup, arguably the biggest sporting event in the world, is going to Qatar in 2022. Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar. And Sepp Blatter calls it a 'moral' issue.

Vile, in my opinion. Especially this bit;

Bit of a non-story really. We've known Qatari laws for a long time now and the world cup was never going to change anything in that country. Blatter wasn't entirely politically correct (or correct full-stop) with his statement about how it's a moral issue, but he's an old man from a different time. I'm not surprised, nor terribly concerned.

His last statment about how homosexuals should refrain from sexual activity in Qatar just seems like stating the obvious. Heterosexual kissing in public is also considered a crime ("public indecency") in most Islamic states; if I were to visit I would obviously avoid doing such things with my partner in public. Whether it's right or wrong, you respect the laws of nations in which you are a guest, it's just common sense. Nobody is moving there for any long period of time, people are only flying over to see football matches. The people who should be concerned with Qatari laws are Qatari homosexuals themselves, not western football tourists.

 

[Liquid]

It's not so much of a non-story to me, as it is something which will simply go ahead anyway.

I don't see it as a bad thing to highlight the (in my mind) hypocrisy of FIFA launching several Kick Racism Out Of Football campaigns, yet doing nothing to challenge homophobia in the sport by hosting its premier international competition in a country where homosexuality is illegal.

 

[phillgt2002]

I hate to say this but most homosexual guys are inconsiderate pricks towards me.

One of my friends is gay I think. Quoted from 'How was your day?' thread.

"One of my best friends just basically told me to **** off for no reason.

He's turning weird on me and he's hanging out with this other kid. He ditched our whole little group of about 6-7 people... It's been months since we hung out and he hasn't responded to any of my texts ever since then. He erased me from Skype and even got rid of my number. I don't know what his problem is but when people do this kind of **** I just want to smash their ****ing face into a wall. You might know, that indecisive mood and the 'well I have other plans' when that person isn't going to be doing **** for the next ****ing 5 hours excuse. " Sorry for bringing anger here.

I don't know if he is gay but the guy he left our group of friends for is bisexual.

The majority of the ones I've known have been just dicks to me, they feel the need to express themselves more because they are 'out of the closet'. I don't care if you're are gay. Just don't come around me with weird gestures and behaviors, also don't make it too obvious.

I know I sound like a ignorant prick but that is how I feel.

 

[Joel]

Perhaps if every gay person ever pisses you off the common denominator is something other than their sexuality?

 

[Zenith]

One of my friends is gay I think. Quoted from 'How was your day?' thread.

"One of my best friends just basically told me to **** off for no reason.

He's turning weird on me and he's hanging out with this other kid. He ditched our whole little group of about 6-7 people... It's been months since we hung out and he hasn't responded to any of my texts ever since then. He erased me from Skype and even got rid of my number. I don't know what his problem is but when people do this kind of **** I just want to smash their ****ing face into a wall. You might know, that indecisive mood and the 'well I have other plans' when that person isn't going to be doing **** for the next ****ing 5 hours excuse. " Sorry for bringing anger here.

High School thread is that-a-way...

I hate to say this but most homosexual guys are inconsiderate pricks towards me.

The majority of the ones I've known have been just dicks to me, they feel the need to express themselves more because they are 'out of the closet'. I don't care if you're are gay. Just don't come around me with weird gestures and behaviors, also don't make it too obvious.

It's inconsiderate to make your sexuality obvious? Isn't it equally inconsiderate for you to act like a straight male?

 

[phillgt2002]

Perhaps if every gay person ever pisses you off the common denominator is something other than their sexuality?

No comment.

High School thread is that-a-way...




It's inconsiderate to make your sexuality obvious? Isn't it equally inconsiderate for you to act like a straight male?

No reason at all to get personal with the 'high school' thing. You're acting as if I'm an in mature person.

I don't show off that I'm straight. I don't care at all of what sexuality someone is and that's the problem. Most gay males flaunt the fact that they are out. I don't care about what someone prefers to have intercourse with. It's just annoying and quite disgusting..

I can already expect for you to rip into me. It's an opinion. Don't make any personal anecdotes.

 

[Danny]

I think we might have inadvertently hit upon why they're all jerks to you.

 

[phillgt2002]

I think we might have accidentally hit upon why they're all jerks to you.

I don't even what to say. It's shocking how someone basically gets tarred and feathered for having an opinion here.

 

[Joel]

No reason at all to get personal with the 'high school' thing. You're acting as if I'm an in mature person.

I don't show off that I'm straight. I don't care at all of what sexuality someone is and that's the problem. Most gay males flaunt the fact that they are out. I don't care about what someone prefers to have intercourse with. It's just annoying and quite disgusting..

I can already expect for you to rip into me. It's an opinion. Don't make any personal anecdotes.

The irony of accusing Zenith of using anecdotes

You're allowed to have opinions, but don't put opinions on a public forum if you don't want them to be challenged.

The issue here is accusing gay people of "flaunting" their sexuality. Somehow I doubt you don't ever draw attention to yours, inadvertently or not. Gay people doing the same things straight people do every day is perceived as flaunting, while a man and a woman holding hands is "normal".

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

I don't even what to say. It's shocking how someone basically gets tarred and feathered for having an opinion here.

The majority of others get along with homosexual people just fine... do you not see that there may be another reason as to why they are "inconsiderate pricks" towards you and only you?

 

[Liquid]

I don't even what to say. It's shocking how someone basically gets tarred and feathered for having an opinion here.

The right to hold or broadcast an opinion does not exclude it from criticism or counter opinion. For example, there was this;

Most gay males flaunt the fact that they are out.

No, gay males who flaunt the fact that they're out, pause, flaunt the fact that they're out.

Very sweeping to say that 'most' do it. Using celebrities for familiarity's sake, when did Ian McKellen, Rupert Everett or Sandi Toksvig ever 'flaunt' the fact that they're out?

If you're suggesting that you can tell everyone's sexuality, or even a majority of people's, from their behaviour, you are deluded.

 

[phillgt2002]

The irony of accusing Zenith of using anecdotes

You're allowed to have opinions, but don't put opinions on a public forum if you don't want them to be challenged.

The issue here is accusing gay people of "flaunting" their sexuality. Somehow I doubt you don't ever draw attention to yours, inadvertently or not. Gay people doing the same things straight people do every day is perceived as flaunting, while a man and a woman holding hands is "normal".

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It's exactly the same as a man and a women holding hands, but it's not like they are trying to make things said to other people. They hold hands because they feel connected emotionally. I don't care if a gay person holds hands with their partner. I'll probably look and continue on doing what I'm doing. Now with anyone holding hands and skipping basically saying 'Hey everyone, were together!' I would'n't give a ****. Keep it to yourself. Is it something that I'm not getting through here?

If you're suggesting that you can tell everyone's sexuality, or even a majority of people's, from their behaviour, you are deluded.

No. Not remotely.

 

[suarez7]

I'm still confused about why Qatar was chosen in the first place. It's not exactly known for it's sporting prowess.

Neither is Australia to be honest.

 

[Liquid]

No. Not remotely.

Then why the assertion that 'most' gay males flaunt the fact that they're out? Clearly implying a majority.

And why only males, and not the women too?

 

[phillgt2002]

Then why the assertion that 'most' gay males flaunt the fact that they're out? Clearly implying a majority.

And why only males, and not the women too?

I'm going strictly off of the situations I've encountered. Sorry if I made it seem like a majority. If you are saying 'so you think all gay males flaunt their sexuality?' you are clearly blowing it out of perportion like I did with the comment "most"

I've never experienced any encounters with a gay/bisexual woman. I wouldn't care if they were gay or not.

 

[Liquid]

I'm going strictly off of the situations I've encountered. Sorry if I made it seem like a majority.

Well at least you clarified yourself further.

I couldn't tell you how many situations I've been in involved a homosexual man. I don't know how many of the people I've encountered were gay.

By a similar extension, I've encountered heterosexuals who flaunted their sexuality about. It's a bit of a non-statement, regardless of the sexual orientation. "Such-and-such is so clearly [...]". Great, so what? It shouldn't matter, regardless whether you find someone irritating from a personality and not a sexuality point of view or not.

I've never experienced any encounters with a gay/bisexual woman. I wouldn't care if they were gay or not.

Fair enough.