The James Allen Appreciation Society

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This thread is dedicated to James Allen, the British F1 commentator. Please post in this thread if you want to join! :dopey:

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What?
No thanks, he's good at everything but commentating. Legard might be bad but I don't want Allen back. :yuck:
I'll join only if this is appreciating his journalism and not his commentary.....

Bring on Ben Edwards or David Croft.

In fact, David Croft and Anthony Davidson should be the main commentators from now on, keep Brundle for grid walks and red button forum. (anyone else notice Brundle seems to cough a lot in the commentary box?)
 
Being the least patriotic person on this Planet I did not approve of his British Biasedness (Is that a word?) very much, therefore I will not be joining. :)
 
I don't watch british F1, but I know that guy's voice. Does he still comment? I just love their voices.
 
I don't watch british F1, but I know that guy's voice. Does he still comment? I just love their voices.

No, he's back to being just a journalist now as well as taking over asking the press conference questions post-qualifying and post-race from Peter Windsor.

Currently the BBC commentators are:
Jonathan Legard and Martin Brundle on BBC1
David Croft and Anthony Davidson on BBC 5live radio (red button option)
Michael Absalom, Dan Clarkson and Perry McCarthy on CBBC (red button option)

On a side note, I'm amazed F1 rejects has still not picked up on Perry and his commentary debut. One of the reasons I decided against registering for their new forum was because they slagged off the "idea of childrens commentary" without realising who was in fact doing the commentary. I quickly realised that forum is no better than the autosport one....
 
Are the Jamaican announcers that bad? :lol:
 
What Jamaican announcers? I doubt anyone in Jamaica knows what F1 is. If you ask them what comes to mind when they hear "F1", they all might say "keyboard". Shame he left, I never hated him.
 
Good ridance I say. One more "GOOOOOOoooooo" or "Hamilton is like Senna" or "McLaren have people who would be code-breakers in WW2" phrase and I would have smashed the TV.
He was trying to be enthusiastic like Murray, but he went over the top and took the bias way too far. He just became an annoying, high pitched fanboy who always sounded fake in his enthusiasm (which is where Murray is so likable).

Legard is the opposite, he has the enthusiasm but fails to really get it across except in gasps of the same phrase. He seems to look at the timing screen too much too.

David Croft or Ben Edwards are far better for the job of commentating TV F1. Leave Legard to do it on radio and Allen to do his journalism - they are both far better at their original professions.

Some sample Croft&Davidson:

Some sample Ben Edwards (with John Watson):
 
Wasn't Allen 2nd guy to Murray in the 90's? All of the reasons you may hate him, I laughed.
 
Wasn't Allen 2nd guy to Murray in the 90's? All of the reasons you may hate him, I laughed.

No, that was Martin Brundle, before him it was Jonathan Palmer (1994-1996) and James Hunt (-1993). Allen was pit reporter in the late 90s/early 2000s.

The idea is to have 1 professional commentator who can talk up the race, bring some excitement to the pictures (e.g. Murray Walker) and 1 ex-driver or other professional from the sport give technical input and explain more complicated things in the race to backup the main commentator (e.g. Martin Brundle, Anthony Davidson, Jonathan Palmer, James Hunt).
Allen was meant to be main commentator, but in my opinion he's better off as a journalist. He wasn't bad as a pit reporter.
 
Was he fired or did he just resign? Either way, i'm still stuck with Bob Varshall, David Hobbs, Steve Machett and Peter Windsor, who all do a very good job, no favouritism, which is how commentators should be. If Jamaica ever has commentators, you need someone who knows the drivers and tracks, and no one does, except me, probably.
 
Was he fired or did he just resign? Either way, i'm still stuck with Bob Varshall, David Hobbs, Steve Machett and Peter Windsor, who all do a very good job, no favouritism, which is how commentators should be. If Jamaica ever has commentators, you need someone who knows the drivers and tracks, and no one does, except me, probably.

He just didn't get hired, when it switched from ITV to BBC this year, the BBC decided to only hire Martin Brundle and Ted Kravitz and the camera guys from the ITV team.

And :lol: Peter Windsor is a class A twit. The guy doesn't know what he's on about half the time and talks rubbish whenever he can. Don't listen to what he says whatever you do. I heard he had tried to push the idea that Fisi wasn't trying to win in Spa because he wanted the Ferrari seat and thats why he didn't overtake. What a moron. 👎
 
I linked to this thread as an example of one of the threads I have made in the past that got no replies, hence...

Make that 37 ;)

...although...

This thread deserved its original reply count.

:D:tup:

I have a confession, however... this thread used to be something completely different, a redundant sticky in another forum. I removed it last year, but decided to create this as a joke/easter egg, and see if anyone ever found it... looks like no-one did!
 
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And :lol: Peter Windsor is a class A twit. The guy doesn't know what he's on about half the time and talks rubbish whenever he can. Don't listen to what he says whatever you do. I heard he had tried to push the idea that Fisi wasn't trying to win in Spa because he wanted the Ferrari seat and thats why he didn't overtake. What a moron. 👎

Pretty stupid yes, but think about it. If I wanted to go to Ferrari so much that I would kiss my current team goodbye instantly, I might try to give them the best results I can possibly give them without being on the team, or show them that they won't go wrong with choosing me, whichever one makes more sense.
 
I'm no fan of Allen. But I will say this: as annoying as he was behind the microphone, he's actually pretty insightful with his weblog. Probaby because he has time to think about what he's saying.
 
I heard he had tried to push the idea that Fisi wasn't trying to win in Spa because he wanted the Ferrari seat and thats why he didn't overtake. What a moron. 👎

It's not that far off base. Hell the whole thing about him wanting to drive for Ferrari made him seem a bit desperate. Imagine if he tried to pass Raikkonen and took him out of the race...
 
And :lol: Peter Windsor is a class A twit. The guy doesn't know what he's on about half the time and talks rubbish whenever he can. Don't listen to what he says whatever you do. I heard he had tried to push the idea that Fisi wasn't trying to win in Spa because he wanted the Ferrari seat and thats why he didn't overtake. What a moron. 👎
Windsor's better than the Australian commentators. Jenson Button crashed out in Spa, and as is standard procedure, the BBC commentators like to talk to retired drivers to find out what happened. Channel Ten cut to an ad break, which is understandable as they're a commercial network, but they like to bookend each segment of the telecast with their own thoughts and feelings (which they shouldn't do because they clearly have no idea). We came back from the ad break and they started talking about the next round of the MotoGP for whatever reason (probably because they're idiots), and when we finally hooked back into the BBC, all we got was the last five seconds of Louise Goodman talking to Jenson Button. In fact, here's Greg Rust and Cameron McConville's Greatest Hits (and Misses):

- Assuring the Australian public that Mark Webber's victory was a sure thing in both Melbourne and Sepang and that the Brawns, Williams and Toyotas did not pose a significant threat, even after those three teams utterly dominated and Jenson Button won in Melbourne. At least Hamilton actually did stand a chance when Allen did it in 2007 and 2008.
- Cutting off the BBC's commentary in Sepang when the race was halted, and taking the opportunity to talk mostly about Webber.
- Cutting to a commecial break when, in their own words, "Things are just heating up here in Sepang".
- Cameron McConville commentating as if there is no difference between driving a V8 Supercar and a Formula One racer. He might have had a few laps of Motegi in an RA108, but it doesn't make him an expert.
- Treating Legard and Brundle the way Legard and Brundle treat Kravitz and Goodman: namely, people they'll occasionally cut to.
- Asking Peter Windsor infinite variations on questions about Mark Webber and ignoring the more interesting aspects of the event. In other words, generally wasting his time and his knowledge.
- Referring to Brawn, Williams and Toyota as the "Diffuser Three" and making out that everyone in the paddock is using the name they came up with.
- Trying to explain the new rules for 2009, only to cut to Brundle and Legard, who make things much clearer (and make less errors).
- Simply calling out what they see - like "And there's Kimi Raikkonen on the extreme wets!" - as opposed to Brundle, who will detail why Ferrari chose them and the implications of them having made the right and the wrong choice (ie explaining why an extreme wet won't last in dry conditions and what would happen if he were on worn extreme wets when the rain comes down).
- Treating their audience like idiots when the delayed telecast generally means only seasoned fans will tune in.
- Giving no new information in the introduction; their analysis is generally limited to talking about the last race and how Mark Webber will do in this one, usually implying once again that his victory is guaranteed if they don't come out and say it anyway.
- Fundamental inability to describe the circuit in detail during flying laps; for instance, turns twelve, thirteen and fourteen at Sepang are interesting because no two drivers have the same line through those three corners, so it's critical to a lap. All Rust and McConville could tell us was that it was near the end of the lap.
- During the inteviews with drivers in the build-up to the Australian Grand Prix, they asked the drivers some of the dumbest questions I have ever heard out of a commentator's mouth. Webber's reactions in particular were hilarious.
- Calling Vettel's car as being Webber's even when the on-screen graphic reads "Vettel" and the helmet is clearly the German's.
- Ignoring the fact that Webber had a far surperior car to Hamilton when the Australian passed him and instead entoning that Webber had just passed the World Champion.
- Being overly-critical of the other drivers when they make mistakes. The fact that they don't do it to Webber - and indeed, ignore his errors, even when they're worse than the competition - just goes to show they're obviously making Webber out to be a sure thing of victory.
- They have, on occasion, been known to correct Martin Brundle. They're usually wrong.
- Buzzwords. I have heard entire sentences out of their mouths that are little more than a string of buzzwords put together in roughly the right order but mean nothing. Sometimes they even do this during interviews with drivers.
- Interrupting the commentary from the BBC or ITV to update Australia on Mark Webber's progress. This is generally because Webber is the car on-screen and Brundle and Allen/Legard didn't mention him straight away.
- Showing absolutely no imagination in the way they commentate; ie referring to Brawn as being a "fairytale weekend" and other such drivel.
- Describing Button's brakthrough victory as being Hungary 2007. An honest slip of the tongue, perhaps, but anyone who's willing to stay up past midnight to watch the race knows that the 2007 car was junk to begin with and that Button couldn't have won even if God had struck down everyone else on the circuit.
- Criticising Sutil in Bahrain and unspoken criticsm of the stewards. Sutil may have deserved his penalty for impeding Webber, but the Australian commentators suggested that his penalty was not enough and, by proxy, that Webber had been robbed of a sure victory. They never said it, but it was obvious they felt Webber should have been allowed into Q2.
- More Webber-philia at the end of the race, describing him as just missing out on the top ten, as if the top ten is something to be lauded. He was still two places off scraping a single point, guys!
- Hideously mistimed ad-breaks (but you can't realy blame them for that; they don't have a crystal ball).
- Cameron McConville isthe proverbial rabbit staring into the headlinght, while Greg Rust is the master of trying to drum up interest in things that aren't remotely interesting. If only he could be hooked up to a machine that caused increasing amounts of pain every time he says "Australia's Mark Webber" ...

And that's just from Australia, Malaysia and Bahrain. They're such morons that I gave up documenting what they did after that ,,,

I suppose they're better than the days of Darrell Eastlake and Alan Jones ... or worse, when Eddie McGuire hosted the coverage. All the same, why can't Chanel Ten get someone good, like Roy & HG?
 
I agree about the Australian commentators. They're so hopeless, always harping on about Webber and asking each other the same questions over and over at the start of each Grand Prix.

Have you ever accidently tuned into their "1 hour Pre-Race show, exclusive to ONE"? If you haven't, then I strongly suggest you keep avoiding it. It's just more of the same, but without intermittent crosses to the BBC. If you have seen it, I'm glad you survived, but I wouldn't risk it again...

What would be good is if they used the BBC coverage for everything, but I can never see that happening. :(
 
I don't get One HD. I don't have a digital television at uni. Home has it, but my region has only just gotten it, and there's never been a Grand Prix on while I've been home since; Monza will be the first.

I saw them commentating Rally Australia the other day. Equally useless; after plugging Valentino Rossi at the San Marino GP, we then went into nearly forty-five minutes of them talking and nothing related to rallying being shown.

Seriously, I will move so far around the world that I cannot go any futher before I start coming back if it wold mean getting away from them. I could do a better job.
 
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