The King is back: Veyron SS runs near 270Mph

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This thing puts up videogame-style numbers and you guys want more. I'm gonna call "fast enough" on this one.

It doesn't put out video game numbers around a circuit.:p I mean it sure is pretty quick, but just imagine a lightweight Veyron with really great handling!:drool:
 
Well, come on. That many cylinders and those many litres, four turbo chargers and we only get 1200HP?

Even RB26's can output 1000 horses with 6 cylinders :P
It actually outputs 3,000 horsepower as noted in National Geo.'s documentary on it. The car itself, as I said before, eats up 2,000 horsepower.
 
It actually outputs 3,000 horsepower as noted in National Geo.'s documentary on it. The car itself, as I said before, eats up 2,000 horsepower.

Eats up? Like the heat all engines output?
 
It doesn't put out video game numbers around a circuit.:p I mean it sure is pretty quick, but just imagine a lightweight Veyron with really great handling!:drool:

Even though it's actually a fairly compact car (shorter than an F430 and only 10cm longer than an Audi TT) it's still got a 16cyl quad turbo engine and a 7 speed DSG AWD transmission with ten radiators and all the fluid systems like that require.

I don't know how lightweight the car could go. You could strip the interior to Elise levels but i doubt you'd manage to get it below 1800kgs. Which isn't lightweight by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Autozine says that this one is about 50kg lighter (1840, specifically) just by the changes to the body alone, so I'd imagine under 1800 would be possible if VW felt some insane need to make a stripped out version. Though, agreed, it could never be a lightweight.
 
If only there were one overly wealthy emirate out there who would strip their Veyron of ~500kg unsprung weight and test its maximum speed. It will probably never happen, alas. :indiff:
 
If only there were one overly wealthy emirate out there who would strip their Veyron of ~500kg unsprung weight and test its maximum speed. It will probably never happen, alas. :indiff:
Wouldn't really make any difference. I don't think weight impacts on top speed much. It would certainly accelerate quicker and change direction better though.
 
Can someone please explain to me what the point in the SS is? The "regular" Veyron is capable of 252mph and is pretty damn upmarket inside, so it's not like the standard car was slow or low-rent...

This is just Bugatti getting all obsessed with the idea of having the "world's fastest production car", isn't it? The fact that all the production models will be limited to 258 instead of 268 to "protect the tyres"... riiiiiiight. It's just a coincidence that 258 just so happens to be 1mph faster than what the Aero TT is capable of? A pure coincidence? :odd:

tl;dr, I agree with Dragonistic, I've never liked the Veyron. Gordon Murray's (original) comment about the Veyron sums up my opinion of the car to a t (or in Bugatti's case, two "t"s):

Gordon Murray
The most pointless exercise on the planet has got to be this four-wheel-drive thousand-horsepower Bugatti. I think it's incredibly childish this thing people have about just one element—top speed or standing kilometre or 0–60. It's about as narrow minded as you can get as a car designer to pick on one element. It's like saying we're going to beat the original Mini because we're going to make a car 10mph faster on its top speed—but it's two foot longer and 200 kilos heavier. That's not car designing—that just reeks of a company who are paranoid...
 
I don't....

I'm not following what you're saying there. That's basically saying you don't like any car for any reason - period.

Basically, Bugatti decided let's make a car with 1000bhp, use every single piece of science to make it as stable as possible and such whereas another supercar there's more of a, lets make something awesome and THEN apply technology to it to improve it so the end result appears less over engineered, a Zonda for example with it's styling and bonkers interior. A Zonda, Murcielago, Koenigsegg and co have alot more character to me as it doesn't appear they set themselves specific targets to begin with and then engineered to that target. That's why I didn't like it, along with it's looks which I still don't like, though I didn't hate it along came the fanboys telling me it's the greatest car ever made which has caused the dislike. I prefer my hypercars to serve a purpose little more then themselves, of course I wouldn't hate a small hatch which has been made to a price target for example unless it's ugly and boring or something.

Note: I'm not saying that the Veyron is a waste of time or anything and that it shouldn't have been made how it is, just that for me personally if I ever had the cash and ability I wouldn't go near one.
 
Even though it's actually a fairly compact car (shorter than an F430 and only 10cm longer than an Audi TT) it's still got a 16cyl quad turbo engine and a 7 speed DSG AWD transmission with ten radiators and all the fluid systems like that require.

I don't know how lightweight the car could go. You could strip the interior to Elise levels but i doubt you'd manage to get it below 1800kgs. Which isn't lightweight by any stretch of the imagination.

You can make almost any car a whole heap lighter no doubt. It would never be a lightweight, I simply meant a lightweight version of the Veyron. IIRC the Veyron actually handles pretty well going by all the reviews, it's simply the weight killing lateral grip.
 
This thing puts up videogame-style numbers and you guys want more. I'm gonna call "fast enough" on this one.

That's not what I said. The Veyron SS is looking to be perfect. The previous model though didn't impress me so much as it didn't well and truly outdo everything else out there. Also it was way too heavy and I don't care what amount of money you pour into a cars suspension and chassis it can't make it anywhere near as good as making the car lighter would. So I really hope this car is lighter so that it can handle a bit better rather than just rely on long straights to make up time at a track.
 
I've never liked the Veyron. Gordon Murray's (original) comment about the Veyron sums up my opinion of the car to a t (or in Bugatti's case, two "t"s):

You can't really use that argument considering Murray took all of it back after test driving the original Veyron.

@Dragonistic: I don't know about fanboys, but the Veyron isn't really a waste of anything (not that I'm implying that's what you said), and it's just as free-form as any other hypercar...in fact, even more so. Show me another car that's as heavy, has as much, and is as fast as the original Veyron...and is also as comfortable and very easy to live with as the Veyron is. Also, you'd be hard-pressed to find another car like it that can be driven as an everyday vehicle. One of the main reasons the Veyron was/is as extreme as it is is due to Bugatti being out of the market for as long as they were...and they wanted to come back with a bang.

Mission accomplished.
 
It doesn't put out video game numbers around a circuit.:p I mean it sure is pretty quick, but just imagine a lightweight Veyron with really great handling!:drool:

"Pretty quick" - you're tough to impress.

The car you're looking for isn't here. If you wanted a car that put up better numbers around a circuit it would be different from the ground up. There are many cars out there designed to kill on the track. I'm fine with one that has a slightly different purpose.
 
Even then the standard Veyron was still quicker than the Enzo and MC12 and only half a second off the Zonda F round the Top Gear track. Hardly a slouch. I'd imagine the track performace of the SS being very similar to the standard Veyron. The extra power seems to be more use for the higher speed acceleration and it's top speed.
 
That's not what I said. The Veyron SS is looking to be perfect. The previous model though didn't impress me so much as it didn't well and truly outdo everything else out there. Also it was way too heavy and I don't care what amount of money you pour into a cars suspension and chassis it can't make it anywhere near as good as making the car lighter would. So I really hope this car is lighter so that it can handle a bit better rather than just rely on long straights to make up time at a track.

It's odd.

I agree with every single word you've written, as normally I'm very much someone who prefers the old Lotus adage of "add lightness", making cars lighter, smaller and gaining more performance from less, and yet...

...the Veyron, to me, is simply staggering. It's a superbly engineered, very luxurious, quiet, comfortable, smooth-riding supercar that's supposedly useable every day and is no harder to drive than a Golf, and it manages to do over 250mph. When you step back and think about that, like really think about what it's capable of, it's quite amazing. Sure, you pay an arm, a leg, your first-born and a night with your wife for the directors of the company for it, but you can almost justify that price for the metal you're getting in return.

The line I always think of with the Veyron is at the end of the Autocar video below, where Chris Harris sums up by saying:

"...the Veyron stands above them all, because wheras they all have their small victories in small departments, the Veyron renders all of those slightly irrelevant because it does everything better than every other car. It's faster. It stops better. It goes round corners better"



(Incidentally, it's worth watching the vid anyway as it's a great little collection of supercars they've got there).

And now, they've made it even quicker.

Of course, the paint job is pretty horrific, I'd much prefer something like the Pur Sang colour scheme, but they've made what was already one of the fastest (and almost certainly most useable) production hypercars, now the fastest. And you presume, still with an interior far more luxurious than it's competitors, and a factory warranty.

And, let's not forget - a legacy that will go down in history forever. Few will remember the two-bit competitors that line up against it every so often to steal the limelight, but the Veyron will join the McLaren F1 as one of those cars people will respect forever.

So yeah, a paradoxical car for me, the Veyron - it's a car I should hate, but just can't. You can go on about passion and character all you like, but incredible engineering is probably more about passion than anything else. Concorde, the Golden Gate bridge... "just" works of amazing engineering. But truly great engineering transcends any cold, emotionless motive their might have been behind their completion.
 
You can't really use that argument considering Murray took all of it back after test driving the original Veyron.
Hence why I said "original": his original opinion of the Veyron matches my opinion of the car perfectly. Sure he thinks differently of the car now, having actually driven it, but it doesn't mean his initial opinion is now worthless.
 
Eats up? Like the heat all engines output?
If I remember right, Nat. quoted that the weight of the car is what takes a big toll. But, the engine dyno'd by itself is amazing.

Hence why I said "original": his original opinion of the Veyron matches my opinion of the car perfectly. Sure he thinks differently of the car now, having actually driven it, but it doesn't mean his initial opinion is now worthless.
It's not worthless, but it's obvious he judged too quickly on what he thought it was. As far as I've heard from the Dallas owner, it's the simplicity of driving it is what makes it so amazing.

He noted that almost anyone with basic driving experience could drive the car with ease, just having to take into account the size of it when doing so.
 
270mph?!! Thats just mind blowing:drool:(if you have the balls):lol:! About the video... thats just stupid to say that the bugatti "goes around corners better."! The facts are that the cars is a bit "slow" around a track comparing to other cars! Dont see why he said that... maybe to get an extra free run from the owner:lol:!

I love the SS Veyron! Its an eye catcher but not that beautifull is it;)?!
 
thats just stupid to say that the bugatti "goes around corners better."! The facts are that the cars is a bit "slow" around a track comparing to other cars!

Not enough quotes around that slow. It should read:

The facts are that the car is a bit """""""""""slow*""""""""""" around a track comparing to other cars!

*The term slow here is used only when compared to some of the fastest cars on the planet.
 
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Indeed, I feel the odd need to quote myself. Even in the company of the super performance exotics like the Enzo and Zonda F the Veyron competes very well.
Even then the standard Veyron was still quicker than the Enzo and MC12 and only half a second off the Zonda F round the Top Gear track. Hardly a slouch. I'd imagine the track performace of the SS being very similar to the standard Veyron. The extra power seems to be more use for the higher speed acceleration and it's top speed.
 
The TG test track seems have quite a few tight bends aswell. I'm sure on some faster/longer circuits the Veyron would be a lot faster. La Sarthe for example.

But equally, it will be slower on tighter circuits.
 
As I see it, the TG test track is a series of moderately to slow bends leading to long straights: acceleration is the primary key, particularly getting out of Chicago and Hammerhead. A clean exit from Gambon would be more critical if the start/finish weren't so close. The Follow-through is just about flat out depending on the car, so one could consider it almost part of a "main-straight."

One thing I can never figure out is the line into Chicago...Does he gradually come across from the first corner, or does he stick to the outside until just before, kind of like a wider Hammerhead?
 
lol. So...the original was limited to 256mph or something because it wasn't stable at speeds about 260. This one is stable about 260, but it's tires could explode. :P Well, at least they made it more stable...now to invent a tire that can withstand 300mph speeds. You know VW is going to continue to work on this car until it can reach the speed it was originally built to hit.
 
Wonder if it counts as a production record if the car has been modified to do it? (shades of McLaren) :lol:

Sure... it was otherwise stock, but if customer cars are limited, then it's not the same, right? :D

Interesting. Amazing... but only because it's such a huge, heavy and relatively reliable vehicle... and street-legal.
Where does it say that? It sounds like the SS is just a souped up version made to send the Veyron off. It's not a one-off customer car.
 
Where does it say that? It sounds like the SS is just a souped up version made to send the Veyron off. It's not a one-off customer car.


I think Niky means the production verion of the SS has a speed limiter but the record holder didn't. A bit like the Mclaren F1 when it got the record it had a increased rev limit from the prodution version.
 
lol. So...the original was limited to 256mph or something because it wasn't stable at speeds about 260. This one is stable about 260, but it's tires could explode. :P Well, at least they made it more stable...now to invent a tire that can withstand 300mph speeds. You know VW is going to continue to work on this car until it can reach the speed it was originally built to hit.
The "base" (Veryon has a "base" model now :lol:), is limited to 253Mph.

And I don't think this car is really any more stable than the basic model. Seems to me all Bugatti did was see just how fast they really could go above 253Mph & the car ended up doing 270Mph. But, because tires are still an issue, they bumped up the tires' speed limit to 257Mph to still be on the safe side. Of course, they did some aero changes, but that shaved only around 50kg off.

As for VAG, no, they won't. The Super Sports (& probably one final limited edition SS model) will be the final car. VAG loses way too much money on these cars & to continue tire development for a car going out of production wouldn't make much sense.

The Veyron did what it was made to do. Comfortable, easy to drive, 250Mph+, & still be a good sports car on a track.
 
270mph?!! Thats just mind blowing:drool:(if you have the balls):lol:! About the video... thats just stupid to say that the bugatti "goes around corners better."! The facts are that the cars is a bit "slow" around a track comparing to other cars! Dont see why he said that... maybe to get an extra free run from the owner:lol:!

Yes, congratulations for misunderstanding him entirely. As others have pointed out, the Veyron is still immensely quick around a circuit considering how heavy it is, often half as much again on top of the weight of other supercars. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? R35 GTR ring any bells?

Given that Chris has personally driven every one of those cars in the video (did you even watch it?...), I'm inclined to trust his opinion.
 
Yes, congratulations for misunderstanding him entirely. As others have pointed out, the Veyron is still immensely quick around a circuit considering how heavy it is, often half as much again on top of the weight of other supercars. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? R35 GTR ring any bells?

I know the car is heavy, but still gets beaten by many on the track... I know it does a good job, but still it lacks performance for the stupidly price to pay.

Given that Chris has personally driven every one of those cars in the video (did you even watch it?...), I'm inclined to trust his opinion.

Amateur drives cars quickly/ that makes him an Expert... I see your point 💡
 
I know the car is heavy, but still gets beaten by many on the track... I know it does a good job, but still it lacks performance for the stupidly price to pay.

Define "many". I'd say being 8th out of nearly 200 entries on the Top Gear Test track leaderboard (as flawed a measure of performance as it is...) means that it's not exactly slower than many cars.

Yes, it's porky... yes... the best supercars can beat it... but that the Veyron is so quick around the track despite being two tons of lard points to the fact that it's actually pretty well engineered.

Amateur drives cars quickly/ that makes him an Expert... I see your point 💡

Chris Harris? If he's an amateur, what does that make Jeremy Clarkson? A janitor? I know Chris isn't the fastest guy around, but he's raced open wheelers, Caterhams, saloons and 911s competitively, done the 24 hours of the Nurburgring a few times (this year, he was Walter Rohrl's team-mate... Walter must be a special kind of amateur... :lol: ) and knows a whole hell of a lot more about driving than you or I do.

I mean, come on... Chris... frigging... Harris? :odd: Pays to do a little research before blowing your mouth off...
 
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