The most unfair part about GT5 is...

[Hurtbag]

b-spec is the most pointless time suck grind for no reason I have ever encountered. It takes no skill whatsoever to do. It must be a Japanese thing that I just don't get.

I would happily trade a-spec races that were 4 times as long in order to get rid of b-spec altogether.

Just don't play B-Spec??? Wow...

 

[Samus]

It's not particularly the length that bothers me as much as the lack of races within an event. Ferrari only event, sounds cool. But you get ONE race. ONE. Same goes for the Lamborghini event. Muscle Car Championship could've been across all the US tracks, instead it's just one again. The GT world championship is just five short races. Then they've gone to the trouble of licensing most of the GT500 and GT300 cars and instead of giving us a full championship we get three races. WTF?

A-Spec could be so much bigger without even more events, but just more races inside the current events, and longer.

 

[Dixieputtz]

Another one dissappointed with b-spec here......
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too many laps......why??????
I sacked/retired my first driver.......absolutely useless *#@*%$#@.
2nd and 3rd drivers - AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH !!!!!

 

[BeardOfChuck]

B-spec sucks. What is the use of it? Grinding doesn't work so well either. Yeah, 500.000 for an endurance. But first you got to go trough hours and hours of pure misery by a total idiot who seems to have no idea of the concept of steering. It's just so god damn boring to watch. And since the idiotic driver mostly needs an super over powered car to win, it costs a lot of money. And even than its hard for him to win. If I want to see a race, I rather watch real races on TV.

I also don't understand why they add so few races? How hard could it be? Making the cars and tracks, yeah, that probally takes a lot of time. But making a event?! There aren't even any stupid video's so I don't see why they didn't just add like 20 more events. And more races each event. And whats up with NASCAR?! Why the hell would they let us go around in corners in a NASCAR event? They have licensed like 3-4 NASCAR tracks and could use fictional tracks. And each race should at least have 30 rounds.

I wonder what was going trough their mind when they decided the B-spec should be longer than the A-spec. I wonder if they ever did B-spec. It is the stupidest thing ever made. Seriously. Who wants to see some lunatic driver driving like **** in your car making lots of damage to it while the reward is so god damn small?! I've done on B-spec race today. And after that,I could not bare it anymore. Seriously, just delete B-spec and give us more A-spec!

 

[B3rni3]

ah b spec

first when you start off they are pain to watch, they brake too early. brake coming out of a corner, dont overtake coming into a corner despite having the inside line and being ahead of the car they are trying to overtake. they will sit at the side of the road watching cars go passed if they spin. they dont slow down despite spamming the slow the ***** down button.

when they get up in level they get better but by that stage youve already got the cars to help them win so its basically just a matter of giving him a fgt or x1, go to the race and click go. turn off tv and go to sleep for the night. easy win and easy cash.

the cash is another thing. do a 9 hour race and youll come out with 56k. oh thanks very much pd, i basically left my ps3 enjoy itself for 9 hours while i couldnt do anything with it for a whole 56k, your too kind have 6k back. so basically paid 50+euro to let my ps3 have all the fun good one. all the while my ps3 is racking up my electricity bill too thus costing me more money excellent.

when your grinding your driver up to said level for the endurance races he needs a car with 1.5-2 times the power and every mod under the sun. eg of this was the sports truck race. i did the race and got gold fairly easily with very little in the way of mods. for b spec bob however only the finest truck would do. full bhp upgrades giving him twice the power of his opponents. but no not even that was enough for him to pass the other cars despite being on an oval track where bhp is about all you rally need to win. so i needed to hold his hand for him to barely win this race.

other issues are stupid things like use the commands to get him up to first, wuhoo he has a far better car than the opponents and he is out in first time to relax. but oh no a few mins later the opponents have caught him and oh look he moves over and lets them passed in case he might scratch your virtual car that has no repair bill.

one more thing b spec bob loves the driving line pd have set. he loves it so much he rides the thing no matter where it goes. examples of this are, the nurburgring- b spec bob rides the driving line where it gets close to the grass so that one side of the car is on the grass, god help him when he does this in an x1 he always spins. the last corner in monaco/cote dazur, b spec bob cant seem to figure out why the racing line goes through a solid crash barrier but he no doubt complies and thus crashes. also on the nascar events at grand valley- the corner after the last tunnel, he cuts the right hander on the grass which upsets the cars balance and traction and thus on the left hander he spins or at least wrecks the tyres despite me mashing the slow down button constantly. "but the blue line said to go there" oh well cant fault the guy for driving the racing line can we.

until the endurance races b spec bob made me rage. just looking at him braking coming out of a corner, braking on straights for no reason, not passing when he has the inside line, passing just before a corner then proceeding to brake early and gets repassed. id rather do the races a second time than make him do it.

the endurance races on the other hand are not too bad because as i already said you give him a rediculously fast car like the formula gt and he wins easily because of the lack of restrictions for these races. this means you can set him up and go to sleep for the night. so basically the whole point of b spec to manage your driver is null and void at this point but up until then is just painful.

my guys are 35-33 and all six are still crap, they are better than they were when they started but are seriously stupid.

b spec is a joke simple.


sorry for the long post just copied and pasted off another gt forum.

id easily give up b spec for some good, longer, more championships, more seasonal style, more challenge events any day.

i maintain that any game that requires you do something around 5 times just to progress is poorly designed and that feature is just there to keep you playing longer. its easier for developers to make you grind constantly to level up rather than come up with new and unique challenges.

 

[Homes]

The perception of 'unfairness' results from a difference between pre-existing expectations and what is later found to be reality. You can't change the reality of the game. But you can change how much you let certain things bug you. More easily said than done, I know.

 

[viperin]

I have come to the conclusion that Kaz actually despises his customers.
I can think of no other reason for what has been presented to us after such a long wait.

 

[Cavalryblood]

I play with a controller.

Long races = more chance of making mistakes.

I like it the way it is.

Mistakes don't go away with a wheel…believe you me! This coming from a decade of dual shock use. The wheel has had a much steeper learning curve it is a lot more taxing with a wheel in the 10 lap+ races because I'm not the kind of person who can sit back relax and race while texting and sipping on a coke. White knuckle from start to finish.

 

[DrSibo]

No real issues here with B-Spec as such, I often run it when I have something else to do either on the net or in my flat...

However, making the A-Spec races at least as long as the B-Spec races would be nice, and also Manufacturer-specific events like those in GT4 and GT5P

 

[RikkiGT-R]

1 No real issues here with B-Spec as such, I often run it when I have something else to do either on the net or in my flat...

2 However, making the A-Spec races at least as long as the B-Spec races would be nice, and also Manufacturer-specific events like those in GT4 and GT5P

1 This is the point. It is so mundane we actually start a race and then walk away and do other things. I can think of no other game that allows the 'player' to completely detach from the action [sic] and leave the computer to it's own devices. That very concept goes against the entire definition of 'Video/Computer Game'.

2 I totally agree with this point.

 

[MiseryStreak]

In GT4, as much as I hated B-Spec it had it's uses, you could get a good lead in an endurance race then pit in and let Bob take over for a stint to have a break without pausing the excruciatingly long race.

Now that B-Spec has been made separate it is a complete nonsense, I can't think why it exists in a 'real driving simulator'. Maybe to appeal to people who don't actually like driving games but still want to earn money. But then why would these people want to watch an AI driver drive around poorly which is even less appealing.

Bob really is a fecking muppet too, I put him in the Extreme German race in a tuned CLK-GTR with 600bhp/tonne and more downforce than an upside-down concorde and If I don't tell him to up his pace he lets a boggo 2 tonne Merc SL overtake him on the last lap! There should be a virtual electric chair where you get to put some voltage through the useless little gimpoid.

My wife understands it even less, as I never watch B-Spec races (apart from that fecking Classic Race Car championship at Cote d'Azur where Bob is seemingly incapable of overtaking a Chaparral in a faster Toyota 7 Race Car so has to be nursed around like a fricking retard) so while we are watching a film and an ad break comes on, I change channels and start a new B-Spec race then switch back. She just doesn't get what the point of it is. I don't either but because I love GT and bought the first one in 98 and have been a fan from day one I want to complete the whole game and win all the cars.

Another pointless rant I know, I just feel I had to vent that. Not looking forward to explaining why the PS3 has to be left on doing the 24hr races while I'm at work and she can't watch a DVD while looking after our baby!

 

[Samus]

I think fact of the matter is people only do B-Spec because it's there. If B-Spec was completely cut from the game for some reason just before launch I can't see many people complaining. People only do it because it's there for 100% completion and prize cars.

 

[nickg07]

I mean b spec NASCAR on grand valley it was like watching d1 drift grand prix, well when I could see anything through AI drivers constant tyre smoke. I was stuck in 10th till last lap someone even spun out and blocked my driver entirely. Bob prefers drifting to drafting sadly. Who's idea was NASCAR on this track for b spec why mirrors of a spec I am dissapoint.

The only time b spec is tolerable is when I put him in a dauber c9 against some lotus esprit or something.

The NASCAR series well I sat through it frying to get Bob to win but alas 5 the overall thanks for waste of an hour. I only do b spec for the prize cars but that experience has upset me.

 

[JackC8]

Considering I've driven all those tracks hundreds of times in previous Gran Turismo games, longer races just make for more boring races.

 

[Samus]

My problem with B-Spec isn't the idea itself, but the ideas within it. Apparantly any racing driver that is a bit worked up will start drifting around every corner by planting his foot to the throttle mid corner until he has calmed down a bit, in which case he'll then drive around as slow as a tortoise 5+ seconds a lap slower unless his manager goes on the radio every 30 seconds to tell him to get on with it.

It's supposed to be management of a racing drivers but the 'bobs' are not racing drivers at all, it's got a very Japanese tactical RPG feel to it.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

In GT4, as much as I hated B-Spec it had it's uses, you could get a good lead in an endurance race then pit in and let Bob take over for a stint to have a break without pausing the excruciatingly long race.

Now that B-Spec has been made separate it is a complete nonsense, I can't think why it exists in a 'real driving simulator'. Maybe to appeal to people who don't actually like driving games but still want to earn money. But then why would these people want to watch an AI driver drive around poorly which is even less appealing.

Bob really is a fecking muppet too, I put him in the Extreme German race in a tuned CLK-GTR with 600bhp/tonne and more downforce than an upside-down concorde and If I don't tell him to up his pace he lets a boggo 2 tonne Merc SL overtake him on the last lap! There should be a virtual electric chair where you get to put some voltage through the useless little gimpoid.

My wife understands it even less, as I never watch B-Spec races (apart from that fecking Classic Race Car championship at Cote d'Azur where Bob is seemingly incapable of overtaking a Chaparral in a faster Toyota 7 Race Car so has to be nursed around like a fricking retard) so while we are watching a film and an ad break comes on, I change channels and start a new B-Spec race then switch back. She just doesn't get what the point of it is. I don't either but because I love GT and bought the first one in 98 and have been a fan from day one I want to complete the whole game and win all the cars.

Another pointless rant I know, I just feel I had to vent that. Not looking forward to explaining why the PS3 has to be left on doing the 24hr races while I'm at work and she can't watch a DVD while looking after our baby!

Hilarious post here

Plus, I agree with it all.

 

[options2rx7]

WOW complain complain! You don't have to play it if you don't like it. I personally enjoy having my b-spec bob team race for me. Of course I enjoy A-spec more, but when I'm doing other things b-spec bob is making money and winning cars for me. They even got me a red bull X1 to start off my New Year right.

Thank you B-spec BOB!

 

[MQ84]

I totally agree with the comments about the poor implementation of B-Spec, it should never have been more than a tool to use in endurance races like it was in GT4. The length of some races beggars belief, the Japanese SuperGT series consists of three races that are 30 laps each, it took 3.5 hours to finish all of them, thank God I could just set him off and leave him to it.

The grind in B-Spec is the thing that annoys me most though, I reached level 22 which unlocked three events, after golding all the races in all three events I was still level 22!

 

[RikkiGT-R]

The length of some races beggars belief, the Japanese SuperGT series consists of three races that are 30 laps each

Please tell me this is a joke? There is no way I am going to sit through 90 laps of Bob's rubbish. Not a chance in Hell.

 

[nickg07]

Even the European races in extreme take about 30 min each and that's with the c9.

The dtm is painful to but I notice you can enter an lmp of somekind. My tt-r dtm wasn't enough and I'm not ruining it by tuning it just so Bob can win. Sigh.

 

[Noz]

And they probably thought most of us will be playing online anyway.

That is my guess as well!
Everyone wanted to play online and the most of us expected gt4 to have an online mode!

So now we have an onlinemode and again some of us are not happy with that!

In my opinion, i like gt5, i like the bspec and i like the short aspec mode because i want to play online the most time, offline is just to earn some cars!

Although the change while racing between me and my bob was a cool feature!

 

[RikkiGT-R]

Even the European races in extreme take about 30 min each and that's with the c9.

The dtm is painful to but I notice you can enter an lmp of somekind. My tt-r dtm wasn't enough and I'm not ruining it by tuning it just so Bob can win. Sigh.

The fact Bob would struggle to win in the ABT Audi TT-R Touring car in the DTM says it all. I normally saunter to victory in the stock condition car, and I usually win 1 lap of Nurburgring by about 20 seconds. And that's without pushing myself to the limit.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

That is my guess as well!
Everyone wanted to play online and the most of us expected gt4 to have an online mode!

So now we have an onlinemode and again some of us are not happy with that!

In my opinion, i like gt5, i like the bspec and i like the short aspec mode because i want to play online the most time, offline is just to earn some cars!

Although the change while racing between me and my bob was a cool feature!

Firstly, online mode is cluttered, confusing and badly designed.

Having said that, it's not about being unhappy with online mode anyway (it's nice to finally have it regardless), it's the fact that GT has always been about the 'virtual career'; start with a small amount of money, earn licenses, race, win money, buy cars, tune, upgrade, modify, win bigger races, buy better cars etc etc... "GT mode".

As I said earlier in the thread - GT4 had 522 races, whereas GT5 has almost FOUR HUNDRED less at a mere 127. I can't help but feel short changed.

 

[Noz]

But gt4 couldnt be updated, so we had the whole game with every feature from the first day to the last day!

Now we may have less aspec races and some other dissapointing stuff, but the game is about a month out!

Lets wait what PD has in mind, maybe we get so many new features, challenges, seasonal event,
and even cars and premium upgrades that gt4 was just a little piece of what gt5 will be in the future!

 

[Instrumental]

The most unfair part about GT5 is...

That the Vettel challenges apparently can't be fully completed with the controller. =(

 

[Stumps_GTI]

It's not particularly the length that bothers me as much as the lack of races within an event. Ferrari only event, sounds cool. But you get ONE race. ONE. Same goes for the Lamborghini event. Muscle Car Championship could've been across all the US tracks, instead it's just one again. The GT world championship is just five short races. Then they've gone to the trouble of licensing most of the GT500 and GT300 cars and instead of giving us a full championship we get three races. WTF?

A-Spec could be so much bigger without even more events, but just more races inside the current events, and longer.

My sentiments exactly... 🤬
My jaw dropped on opening some (ALL) of these events....How LAME are PD. ?
"Sure, throw out everything you think we don't need, we'll get 'em all back with the online side of the game"... I'm sure that's how the decision was made to axe events....👎

Well, online hasn't really buzzed me yet....and I doubt it will EVER fill the void of the A-Spec skeleton...
A-Spec is dead in my books, and the fantastic Seasonal events...are they supposed to make up for the lack of A-Spec.....C'mon, give me a break.

Unless these eagerly awaited DLC's come up with some 100% real challenges and added features, GT6 will be a hard sell....Just my 2cents. 👎

 

[kitchenboy3]

Just don't play B-Spec??? Wow...

It's not quite as simple as that I'm afraid, apart from those that want to collect all the cars, there are those of us that bought the Signature edition for the SLS competion. I may not have stood a chance in winning but it would have been MY chance.
So, then comes the most insane and mindboggling decision to let Moron Bob compete for us and I am stuck with a level 23 Bob trying to be competitive
If it was'nt for that I would not bother with this rubbish, as someone else mentioned in previuous games one could at least use B-Spec to do laps in the Endurance events, now he is more useless than a Chocolate Teapot:tdown:👎

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

They can't really shorten B-Spec race, since some races, it really takes Bob until last last couple corners to take first. For A-spec, the length would be ok if they can make races more competitive. I feel like every A-spec race I do, I'm bringing a gun to a knife fight overpowering everyone, I could bring a knife to take on the big boys by detuning my car and race as an underdog, but that's what seasonal challenges are for. Now only if they introduce a car rating system so I don't bring a car that's TOOOOO powerful but still competitive.

This was something I absolutely hated about Prologue and I'm so happy to it didn't make it into GT5. Performance Points? Lulz.

Keep it the way it is! Stop bringing overpowered cars into races then complaining about how easy the game is so that you ruin it for players like me. 👎

 

[nickg07]

I did think it maddness that I had to buy a Ferrari for a one off race like tha. And JGTC and DTM how could they fail to under utalise so badly ill never know.

 

[JediRage]

I'll get to commenting on B-Spec but for me the most unfair thing about this game is the online. I've had this game for over a month and playing online is an exercise in tedium. You have to wade through countless screens, endure minutes of loading time between these screens and when you finally make it to a lobby, you realize that the host decides to leave/kick people not from his country or that SRF is available or that some idiot thinks no one should drive with ABS.

If its not this, it's either disconnected from server/network incompatibility/please join after some time and you get kicked to the GT Life screen.

For the love of god, if they don't fix the online or at the very very least, patch in matchmaking, one of my veins will burst in anger.

At first I thought it was my connection but no. FIFA 10 and Resistance 2 work perfectly well which means there is no excuse for this pile of steaming craptastic online.

Now as for B-spec, at first I thought it was a nifty idea and was reatively funny to see Bob flail around but I realized what a waste of time this was. Like someone said, an event generator would be ideal but also, like someone else said, it would make TOO much sense for PD to implement it.

Also, I don't ever see myself do endurance races unless they patch in a way to save the race midway without any fancy exceptions.