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Just wanna share this:


Camaro SS '10

630 HP - 580 + PP

Sports soft tires

6:53

I never knew that a non-RM Camaro SS can be a potent cornering machine! It has oversteer, but not too much on that kind of power.

I never expected it to do such a lap time...

EDIT: Let me know if I posted it wrong... I intended to post it under RR.
 
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E-Type Jaguar 1961
241,893.7 Miles
20120516 (Date of purchase)
The very Blackest of Black Oil.
Sherwood Green Paint (Original)
Wire spoked wheels (Retained - of course!)
No chassis revamp (Didn't find out how much this or an engine overhaul would cost.)

238bhp/32 Eurotorques/1219kg -->425PP
I altered the Brakes to 3/2BB
Fitted Comfort Medium Tyres (Comes with Sports Hards as standard)
After I fitted the tyres the BHP went up to 239 for some reason...

I set up the race, Practice mode - Spec race. 3 laps. Proper Damage, real low track edge grip, no driver aids real tyre wear and fuel burning. Tyres and Fuel are not a factor in my race.

The AI come with Sports Hard tyres, I ran with Comfort Mediums. Which looking back may have been a smidge too good for the AI cars once I found the sweet spot of the car.

I raced with a 7am start. No rain - However I would recommend an Earlier Start or a start near to dusk or even at night.

The Car
Has a 3.8 litre straight six Engine - as English as bad teeth and unhealthy food. Even with a car that had enough milage to have driven the Ring at pace for 116 days. It gave out about 240bhp which is a bit peaky at 5500 rpm. The torque band is wide and forgiving - which is good as the gearbox is a worry.
a 4 speed box, 1st will take you about at town 2nd will get you to 60mph before you the Jaguar wants to upchange... but you can go into the red to about 70. 3rd is a gear you will be in most of the time, and I only dropepd into 2nd when I was crawling through a very slow corner - but I am sure you would be better served staying in a higher gear (3rd) for the few slow corners that you may wish to try 2nd in once you find the balance of the car at the top end of 3rd gear you will want to upchange at 90-105mph. 90 is what the Jaguar Owners handbook requests, 105 is what The Minister of speed His Holiness Rev. Limiter.
Top gear is 4th, and it takes over at speeds over 100mh The red line suggests 116mh is all you can have. But if you delve deep into the red you will get up to 140mph before the engine cries, 'enough!', at 6500rpm.

Tyres - Comfort Mediums
Probably closer to an early sixties crossply tyre than and semi slick Sports tyre... infact maybe Comfort Hards would be closer. These tyres limit cornering ability and corner exit speed... BUT the long fast bits are plenty long enough for the car to hit the rev limiter in 4th gear in a few places. Swedish Cross, Foxhole and Dottinger Hohe. - A custom Gearbox could fix things - but I didn't try.

I had trouble getting the power down off the line, wheelspin - cold tyres and I lost a place. Better to give up a place than to hit another car and bend a steering arm or foul a rear wheel or other mechanical damage result. I then had to discover just how much grip I had, and the balance of the car. If you push too hard the big cat will hiss and mewl at you, but it can dig its claws into the tarmac and save a potential crash - I'd describe it as predictable handling, But it is a bit soft and a real balancing act in corners... too much brakes and the fronts lock and you understeer through the apex, too much throttle and the back will break traction - it also has the oldfashioned issue of the inside rear wheel spooling up if you demand too much from the rear axel on the exit of a corner. (A LSD would fix that easily - but I ran stock.)

Laps,
9m14 - (Steady pace, turned the taps on after Aremburg.)
9m04 - (Chasing down a target car - maybe some slipstreaming...)
9m08 - (Alone in First, no mistakes, but les sof a need to push hard.)

No offs, I was in 5th for some of Lap 1 dropped back to about 6 seconds off the leader - but I could see them ahead. Then I reeled the leaders in, made a few passes - some under heavy brakes in complex areas (Adenaur Forst and Teirgarten and the Shikane that they put in 1967 just prior to the pit lane entry.)

You can also pass under power with a good exit and a long bit of road. (Swedish Cross and the exit of Galgenkoph)

I think most of the woes of the car was due to the sheer age of the car and the tyres. But once you got dialled in (Not too much of an ask.) it is intuitive enough to thread about the track - but Slow in and Fast out is the way to drive it, go in too late and get frantic in the corners and the tyres will let go and overheat and leave you bleeding lap times in plumes of tyre smoke.

But why race at Night?

Sparks!
The car grounds out in several places, creating a shower of glowing sparks.

Enzo said the E-Type is the prettiest car in the world... I suppose in the 60's it was a ground breaker - But so is a Pick Axe. To me the proportions are off, the screen too steep, the nose too long, the car looks and drives like it is very narrow and thin and this made my driving a bit laboured as I had to preemp a corner well in advance, to get a fast line. Not my prefered style. But again the tyres probably magnified this issue more than it really is.

3 lap race, 27m27 beating the AI by one and a half of your English Seconds.

Huzzar and lashings of Ginger Beer, What what!
 
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G'Day all.

I have a day off after a hectic weekend so will go and do some laps and report back.
I have two E Types : Bronze with 49K on the clock and 249 Hounds under the bonnet.

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The second is Gunmetal, absolutely clapped out at 311K and, on a test lap, could only manage a 9'41.614 with top speed of 210 km/hr.
I think I will invest in a refurbish and custom tranny and try again.


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Just wanna share this:

Camaro SS '10

630 HP - 580 + PP

Sports soft tires

6:53

I never knew that a non-RM Camaro SS can be a potent cornering machine! It has oversteer, but not too much on that kind of power.

I never expected it to do such a lap time...

EDIT: Let me know if I posted it wrong... I intended to post it under RR.

Thanks for sharing 👍 , feel free to join in with the selected Car each week or propose a Car you would like us to try.
Just refer to post # 1 for basic details on how things work here.

More later !
 
Hi everyone!

I've been very busy lately but yesterday I found some GT time in the E-Type and the Spirra, both of which rock. Good choices! It wasn't an easy task for me to clock a solid clean run in the Spirra, it took 10 laps :) more on that later.
 
G'day all,

I decided to put the Bronze one back in the garage and refurbish the Gunmetal one with a chassis and engine overhaul.

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This lifted the power to 246 bhp , did not notice a huge difference in handling or ride but had only done 1 lap in each prior anyway.


I like the E Type.
I like the way it looks.
I like the way it drives.
I liked the way it howled through the DH to the finish section absolutely flat stick and made me smile.

I agree with Ryk, the slow in / fast out method works a treat, if you do not unsettle the Cat too much prior to cornering it feels really stable and planted.The combination of sports hard tyres and moderate power will not lead to too much drama unless you take liberties.
I have one quibble with the way the game presents the braking ability though, a 3/1 F/R setting worked best for me, but, four wheel disc brakes coupled with the low weight should provide drama free stopping power.
Real Jaguars ( both 6 & 12 cylinders ) I have driven certainly do.
This is more a criticism of the Game ( just one of several problems I have found with GT5 ) than the E Type which I just love.

A baseline run of 9'00.625 with overhauls but standard transmission was fun, except for running out of legs.
After fitting fully customised transmission and fiddling with settings I managed a best lap of 8 ' 41 . 709 not that the time matters too much, but I really enjoyed it and it was a full minute quicker than my early effort.

A fabulous choice.
Thank you.

( As it has fallen on me to choose the next Car I will present a clue a bit later if that is okay ? ).
 
Thinking ahead to the next Weekend Rider™ here is a clue to be going on with :


"Thar She Blows !!....................."

More later
 
Just wanted to say I've enjoyed this thread a lot. Fun writing! Keep it up.
 
"Call me Ishmael."

Moby Dick always conjours up the image of a Honda RA300 - Which isn't in GT5.

"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"
 
Jaguar E-Type Coupe '61

Although a major classic, my E-Type had 0 changes. It was used, however, so before heading to the 'Ring, I had the good people at GT Auto do their thing with the Jag. It got full restoration, making it as good or better than in the year 1961 when it first hit the streets. I seldom paint my cars, but the grey colour with which the E-Type was painted just didn't seem to do justice to this beauty of a car. Not wanting to serarch through thousands of options I just used what first came to mind: British Racing Green (BRG). How original.

On to the track with Sports Hards.

General feel of the car is good, the steering is responsive and the car fairly stable. That said, it does feel like an old car as its suspension loves to do all sorts of back-and-forth things when losing/regaining traction and the lack of LSD is another good sign of age. On SH tyres wheelspin is not a problem anyway. A taller gearing, or a fifth gear would be nice, but the ratios are bearable and it only runs out of gears three times during a lap. Three laps, best one 8:25,644. A fine ride.

Next up, Comfort Mediums.

These make the E-type come alive. On sports tyres it's an ok car, but on the comforts it becomes fun. Less grip suits the suspension tuning better, naturally it is set up with the tyres of the sixties in mind. It's still soft, but more balanced and less sudden. As long as the Jag is not pushed too hard, it goes quite precisely where the driver wants it to. I agree that slow in, fast out is the best way to go for most corners, to avoid turn-in understeer and leave room for a widening line on the exit, though it can be thrown into the corners in a more aggressive manner as well. On comforts, the lack of throttle grip becomes the biggest problem. The car is nose-heavy, and without LSD it spins its wheel like crazy. Accelerating on the second gear is hard, and I tried to stay on third for as long as possible. I stick shift, and as I've never learned heel-and-toe, shifting down to 2nd is often enough to make the tail slide out just a little and it has to calm down before accelerating. Luckily the straight six has enough low-mid rpm power to pull most corners off on 3rd. The replays look good, and they really make you realize just how soft the suspension actually is. Six laps, BL 8:49,961.

An interesting point, my E-Type puts out 272bhp while viper reported 246bhp even after overhaul?

About the next car, I have no idea yet.

I loved the A110 in GT4, I have to take that out for a spin too.
 
An interesting point, my E-Type puts out 272bhp while viper reported 246bhp even after overhaul?

His started with 311,000 kms on the clock before Engine Overhaul so that's why it had so much lower hp - there's a permanent loss of 1 hp every certain number of miles after 10,000 miles.

I think mine hit 276bhp after overhaul, so mine must've had less miles than yours.
 
Just wanted to say I've enjoyed this thread a lot. Fun writing! Keep it up.

Thanks for the feedback 👍 I am very glad you are enjoying it.

His started with 311,000 kms on the clock before Engine Overhaul so that's why it had so much lower hp - there's a permanent loss of 1 hp every certain number of miles after 10,000 miles.

I think mine hit 276bhp after overhaul, so mine must've had less miles than yours.

Useful information, I must admit I had not paid this fact enough attention.
At least I have a gilt edged excuse for having the slowest times :sly:


Ryk
"Call me Ishmael."

Moby Dick always conjures up the image of a Honda RA300 - Which isn't in GT5.

"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!"

What a great passage, from a great Novel.
Spine tingling stuff.

Also on the right track as far as the clue goes ( Definitely a Whale :) )

Here is another one :

"Coyote will not catch this Road Runner either............."
 
272 horses!
My old Nag only had 238 - I did see a Lasagne Van driving away from the garage area though.

I'll see how many BHP I could restore if I left the GTAuto grease-monkeys fettle the old girl.

Actually running a factory Fresh Jugular will be nice - I've never driven cars with such a disparity in age - I guess a chassis that isn't flexng as much and an engine that is purring along I'll buzz the limiter much more this time!


Does Manolito live there?
 
Just checked - My Jag has ~90000km on it. I always thought there was no permanent power loss in the game, but in fact it seems to be pretty significant!
 
G'day all

Time to announce the Weekend Rider™ for this week, and it is :


Plymouth Superbird 1970 :)


Shiver me timbers !! It is surprisingly good 👍
 
Doh - I thought it was going to be a Chaparral - - But Ryk, we don't run Race cars here...

I think petrol fumes were leaking into the cabin of the Jag.

Hope the Petty Special has a long gearbox.

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Ryk
Doh - I thought it was going to be a Chaparral - - But Ryk, we don't run Race cars here...

I think petrol fumes were leaking into the cabin of the Jag.

Hope the Petty Special has a long gearbox.

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Sweet :cool:

BTW If you wish to propose a mid week Racecar Rider™ at any time that would be fine :):)
 
Hi all !

As it was Saint Patricks Day when I started my runs I thought my Emerald Green Superbird would do the job nicely :

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To start with I just changed the oil and entered a one make Race for some photo opportunities.
Suitably fortified with a Pint of Guinness followed by a Pint of Magners and a plate of Potato skins I set off.

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I have a bit more driving and fiddling with settings to do and then I will complete my impressions ( so far they are pretty positive 👍 ).

In the meantime could anyone advise if it is possible to somehow turn off the Headlights ? I would like to take some shots without the pop up lights spoiling the lines of the Car ( my photos have shrunk as well, I do not know why).

Thanks.
 
G'day all,

How are we enjoying this weeks Weekend Rider™ ? I like if fine 👍 (with a few provisos)


"So bend your backs and row me lads and take me to me whale.
Tonite we'll sing and dance and tomorrow nite we'll sail.
We'll sail into the harbour no prouder man ther'll be;
We'll show them all we captured the monster from the Sea............."



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I ran my Whale with just an oil change initially, for 419 bhp, fitted with a custom transmission
(which I forgot to adjust :dunce: ) otherwise stock.
Single run with everything off I managed to stay on for an 8 ' 51 . 471 which was okay but not very pleasant ( warning rant ahead :nervous: ).

Do not get me wrong I loved the Car and soon got into the correct technique of transferring the weight efficiently to power out of turns with all that lovely torque :):)

The thing I do not like is that Cars from this era did not have TCS / ABS / ASM etc. so why have them in the settings menu ?

If you turn them off then the Cars become almost undriveable, I know for a fact that Cars will not lock up your brakes and understeer you into the scenery every time you apply them with any sort of effort.
The same is true when applying the throttle, every Car should not light up the drive wheels every single time with normal input.
Taking into the account the weight,power and tyre grip of the Superbird for example, just requires modifying braking distances (and throttle application). I certainly do not expect to be able to stop on a sixpence but I do expect to be able to retard my progress smoothly with a modicum of effort.
I know a thing or two about using my DS controller to modulate things pretty efficiently (all previous GT versions completed 100% + all Gold using DS2) so to overcome this issue I allowed myself to apply 1 click each of ABS & TCS even though technically, they do not exist, which meant I could drive in a much more realistic fashion.
If anyone else would like to try this also, and have a discussion that would be great.
Anyway, after applying this adjustment I completed a valid lap of 8 ‘ 37 . 996 which I enjoyed very much, challenging still, but fun.
As I had installed a full transmission but forgotten I had done so and not adjusted it, I went back to stock gearbox to compare. Chasing my ghost around I actually once managed a quicker time of
8 ‘ 37 . 284 and it sounded better as well !!
I am sure if I tried again with a bit of adjustment and a tidy lap I could shave a further five or so seconds off. I would certainly have fun trying at least as this a really cool Car to get wound up and honking.

Just do not forget to shift the blubber around a bit !!!
 
Lights - not sure... I noticed the Alpines lights were Automatically on but turned off mid lap during my race. But just a seasonal race at Nurby and the car starts with the headlamps on...

I am going to try to get a white Superbird... And great to read the stock gearbox will be good to run here.

Tyres lock up.
Maybe altering the brake strength - I run 3/2 but You could run lower if you lock up alot - or use Harder comfort tyres. Also you can alter the general controller sensitivity - (-2 all the way to +7 - Not quite Spinal Tap all the way to 11, but I am sure there is some Logic on the scale they use.)
 
Plymouth Rock

I have sereral Superbirds to choose from , btu they are all used, I've one painted in a TVR Blue as an Homage to Richard Petty... I think I revamepd it.

Took a Sassy Green one....

397bhp/63 eurotorques/1755kg 470pp (46,215.5 miles)
Came with SH tyres

Gearbox is basic, 4 gears and it says it can get to 130mph.

I ran a seasonal event race at Eifel 110A - the other AI cars run SM's I think but my Big green car was a real lump.

The big 7 litre engine doesn't sound great - it revs low, red lines at 5500 and rev limited at 6000 - and bounces off this hard limit at about 127mph -

With SH tyres it felt awkward very unwilling to turn and it put alot of strain on the tyres.

I then ran CS tyres at Nurburgring.

The Hard top speed limit was only a factor at Swedish Cross Foxhole and just on the dottinger hohe I lifted slightly to stay close to V Max rather than coasting along.

I managed 8m47s with a trip to the gravel at Swallowtail (Only my pride was hurt...) - I had taken the second part of Pflantzgarten with a bit of full throttle venom - threading the needled of curbs and was pretty smug... and took a little bit too much speed for the next bit, and the car overheated the tyres and the car just understeered to the beach.

I then fixed up the car. It felt pretty awful used and down on power...

ENgine rebuild? 396->439bhp and 469->484PP - the cost? 12,500credits

Chassis overhaul? 21,000credits.

I then painted the car White - not bad, btu the Plymouth logo looked pretty shoddy... The logo has a sort of darker halo edge to the letters, which blend well with a dark colour... but with white it looks bad. I then gave it some Black - the black healamp blinkers still stand out... and look pretty rough graphically. I left the wheels alone.

Tyres? Comfort Softs
Gearbox -
I knew the added power would mean I would be hitting the limiter more. So a custom box was the order of the day.
I set the max speed to 180mph - 5 gears- so in effect I added a long 5th gear.
The downside was I added a whining transmission - which is a headache. Otherwise the car is pretty standard. (3/2 brakes - TCS=0 - ABS=0)

The car felt less floppy - I ran a 3 lap spec race...
The AI ran Sports Hards and lapped the ring in 8m50 or so.

They were slower on the straights, Clean power and a proper gearbox let me outperform the AI by a huge margin.

Did a three lap race in 25m32s - best lap was a 8m27.7. The gearbox was good enough to get to 155mph and just about reach the red line... If I was racing other cars I may have enough room to slipstream and use my extra revs.

The car is hard work. It punishes its tyres. If you force things one of the tyres will cook and the car will get out of hape in some fashion... understeer into the corner. The Live rear axel makes putting the power down an art... floor it and the inside rear will spool up as you waste the power in a cloud of smoke.

As I was hurling the big lump about I felt like Gunnery Sergeant Gerheim shouting at a hapless Private 'Pyle' for his incompetence and excess weight.

If I had to sum up the car it is "Hard work" it seems to make a real meal getting up to speed, slowing down and turning.

I ran the 3 lap spec race at noon and the headlamps were retracted.

8m47 Comfort Soft 396bhp Stock
8m27 Comfort Soft 439bhp Gearbox(180) Chassis tightened
 
The Race car event...
May I suggest the VW Lupo Cup Car?

It has its own ASpec event - there are two types - the 2000 Normal model or the GTi version from 2003 with more Powah but also alot more blubber.

Front wheel drive so should be an easy difficulty car. And we can compare and contrast the standard and the GTi versions.
 
G'day all,

Sorry for being missing in action but a few intarwebz issues intruded.

Ryk
The Race car event...
May I suggest the VW Lupo Cup Car?

It has its own ASpec event - there are two types - the 2000 Normal model or the GTi version from 2003 with more Powah but also a lot more blubber.

Front wheel drive so should be an easy difficulty car. And we can compare and contrast the standard and the GTi versions.

Great idea, therefore our first official Racecar Rider™ (RR™) is the :

VW Lupo Cup Car 2000 / 2003


This can be attempted over the next week or so and in the meantime I will put up a Weekend Rider™ around about midweek as well.

Later.
 
Racecar Rider™ (RR™)

VW Lupo Cup Car 2000

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I had a look in my rather bloated garage and I have a number of these cars.
The 2000 model with OZ Wheels and Pirelli Tyres sponsorship stickers .

I Picked an un-used one - actually I think I had not used any of them. I just used my road car for the ASpec event.
Professional Area - Level 12 gets a grid of 12 Lupo Cup cars for a single lap of The Ring and from the rolling start you will be in P7.

This Cup car event has the AI in both models, BUT they start with Sports Hard tyres.

The AI are also very slow indeed. I ran the first race pretty much stock (Save for no Traction control and no ABS) The 2000 Cup car comes with Race Hard tyres. I also left the Brake Bias alone at 5/5 - just for fun.

The first race was a blow out. I was a little bit faster than the other cars, but the car was so planted I could line up a pass anywhere, and breezed into first place at the Flugplatz double right hander.

The car was tricksy on the brakes... but that was more the 5/5 making the back end feel pretty light - However this was a good thing.

The car was very low on power, on any power sections you will have alot of time to consider if you want to stay in 4th gear or go up to 5th - My old black oil car was best served staying in 4th at Kesselchen as the 5th gear was just too much for the engine.

All in all the car is great if you are learning - the grip is high and speed low so you can take the best line in a relaxed manner.

For example - You can take Galgenkopf flat out... Exit the baby karussel near the end of the lap, and it is full banana all the way to the "New for 1967" chicane. All you need to do is get your line right.

Galgenkopf is a nice corner, uphill into a tight right that crests and softens slightly then the elevation falls away as the corner relaxes the radius slightly - Usually you have to give up something here -- Usually very early in the corner so you can be full throttle for the end of the corner.

I was quite happy to be flying out of Galenkoph and running to the gantry at 110mph... the not so good bit was getting to Antoniusbuche - to be only pulling an eyewatering-ly fast 120mph...

I repeated the raace again but with Sports Hard tyres. This was all too easy. I passed the field by Flugplatz -

Sports Tyres were slower - I must have been a bit more timid in places.

Gearbox - 5 cogs - 2nd gets you to 52mph
3rd will be fine for 75mpg
4th will take you to 100 and 5th will cope with all the high speed stuff - I say high speed...

Engine red lines at 6900 and gives max power at 6500 - Max torque was at 3000revs, but the power down here is anaemic -

Weight Balance - Without adding ballast the car has much of its weight at the front, 55/45 - so as you would expect the car is very stable.

122bhp/15torques/840kg/3593.8miles/377PP
TCS=0 / ABS=0 / Brakes 5/5 Aero 0/10

Aero - you can alter the rear spoiler - (5 <--> 15) and it comes at 10 initially. The front airdam grants a downforce score of 0. - The airdam can't be altered. I left it at 0/10.

Racing Hards - 8m49.1
Sports Hards - 9m03.3

But the AI are very slow, Running Comforts or with alot of ballast may make it closer racing. Maybe an air restrictor on the engine. The AI that came second didn't register a finishing race time... so 30 seconds behind?

I didn't have any wheelspin issues with the car. The brakes were different, but helps get the car to rotate into a corner, and made me much smoother than usual to prevent lock ups.
 
G'day all !

Fantastic information Ryk 👍
Looking forward to having a go myself.
I will probably run with the same minimum fiddling as well just to compare.
Like you I usually run the brake bias adjusted for both RaceCars (6/4 F/R)and Proddies (3/1 F/R) so I will see if I can get a bit closer to your times this time.

More later.
 
This looks like fun so I gave this a shot today. The Race Rider Lupo Cup Car '00. I must say if I hadn't seen this thread I would probably never have driven this little treasure.
I didn't see Ryk's mention of it's own ASpec Event-I'd forgotten about that race. I ran a 3 lap practice mode race with tire wear on real grip.

So mine's a#14 Yellow. 0 Miles. After an oil change it's got 129 hp. I added 75 kg (my weight) so it sits at 915kg with 370pp. No tuning done or aids. After a couple test runs with the really slow AI, I go with Sports Hards and a B/B of 4/2 no ABS. Started a run on Comfort Softs but I got ahead quickly so there wasn't going to be a close race anyway so switched to Sports Hards. SH seems like a good match for a track day tire on this light little Spec Racer.

First off, I can push a lot harder than expected. Hardly any understeer, super stable under threshold braking and no wheel spin. Neutral and willing. So easy to drive like a Mario Kart. The race starts and I let the field pass to allow them some room on cold tires. Sadly I pass the field with ease after a couple minutes and settle in for a couple hot laps. This wasn't the best one make race as the AI even on Race Hards is soooo slow in turns. Lap 2 is a 8:58.416 then Lap 3 slows a bit to a 8:59.062. It topped out at 123 mph. No offs except for a lap1 AI incident, doh!

Looks like I've got the 03 so that's next. I know I'm not that quick at The 'Ring so this is a fun chance to try and get better. This car can be driven with abandon here, a fast and confident driver could really scream this little box.
 
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Next up the 03 Lupo GTI Cup Car. Mine's a Red #63 with 19 miles. After an oil change it's at 137hp. Adding my weight again puts it at 1085kg with a 374 PP rating. Using Sport Hards 4/2 B/B. Everything on the car is default settings. No aids and cockpit view.

Same race as before. Sporting the AI a few seconds and we're off. I'm not sure if it's the added weight or my track time but I'm more confident and the box feels more stable. I'm pushing harder and not lifting just keeping the rascal flat out. Digging this drive. I'm by the AI in the same spot and ready to pounce through the rest of the race. 1st lap is 9:06.xx but I let the AI start about 3 seconds ahead. 2nd Lap goes by with a 8:51.883. 3rd is 8:50.364. That's quite an improvement from the '00 but I'm going to chalk most of it up to track time.

But both cars are outstanding on the Nordschleife. Super easy to hold a generous line and they define tossability. Is that a real word? Anyway, these may be fun in an Arcade Race with faster opponents or an online Spec Series.
 
Welcome aboard NCRthree !
Nice work on the write ups :): tup:
Due to family stuff over Easter I am a bit behind with my attempts but at least I have acquired both versions and am ready to Rock & Roll.

I have a Car in mind for the Weekend Rider™ and will give only one hint and announce this Wednesday ( Oz time).

"My favorite Car"

Thats it ( not too difficult a clue if you know me at all :sly: ).

Later.
 
Aussie Road car...

Holden Monaro or Commodore?

I'd guess Holden...

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Had a go in the Lupo GTi
Picked CM tyres... but the car was still beyond the AI - passing them well before swedish cross... However the car was much slower in the corners... I had to prepare more and lost time in corners and lots more form the lack of confidence that the car could take a few corners flat out. - The car is still very easy to driver, just Comfy Mediums make it a bit weaker in terms of turning gripping power. I did notice my turning speeds were so low I was only doing 45mph at Karussel - which is at least 10-20mph down on what Sport Hards tyres can do.

I used an Orange GTi - number 54 - Like Herbie only one more - if you like Spinal Tap.

I need to repeat the run with the same grade tyres on each car. But GT froze on me.

Japanese Cup Car GTi 03 vs Cup Car Lupo 2000 - which is faster?
 

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