The Next LM Car and Rally Superstars

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Since the first GT, the LM Cars have been interesting racing concepts, with hardcore endurance racing in their blood. Racers got into the Castrol Toyota Supra from the first GT. Yes, all 680 turbocharged horses (or do Japan prefers "ponies" when talking about horsepower?) of it. Then you have the RX-7, Skyline, and even Mitsubisghi GTO (3000GT) as LM cars.

In Gran Turismo 2, more cars were available, as were new concept race cars. The Vector M12 had its own LM car (that raced back in 1997 or 1998 here in America, I believe). The Dodge Copperhead had its own LM with a mid-rear combo, rather than the Concept Car's front-rear layout. Elsewhere in the world, the Venturri LM600 had one as well. Audi's TT got an LM treatment complete with 4WD. The Volkswagen [New] Beetle got the GT treatment with 424 horsepower to challenge the Porsches, but it would need to be front or rear wheel drive to be for real against them. It can also be rally raced with dirt tires.

Gran Turismo 3 had more models with endless possibilities. The Toyota Altezza, Honda S2000, and Mitsubishi FTO were some of the newer LM cars. The Pagani Zonda also got its own race car, and I'll admit. I got more respect for the Zonda as a competition race car, although the Italian Avantgarde is the most embarrasing race ever. You can even own the already-beautiful Jaguar XJ220 as a GT racer.

GT4 will have more cars than GTs 1, 2, and 3 (not combined, though). So there are many more concepts to come with the 500+ cars which daresay it will exceed GT2's car count of roughly 500. If you have any votes for cars with the LM or even rally car treatment, make your claims here now.

I'll begin, as the starter of this topic and a voice of opinion.

(NOTE: I AM NOT SURE WHICH CARS ARE ACTUALLY CONFIRMED, SO I'M GOING ON SPECULATION. IF THE CARS (AND MAYBE TRUCKS) I MENTION WILL NOT BE GT4, THEN I AM SORRY.)

I'll think that the Toyota Bb will take a line from Tokyo Xtreme Racer Zero and be a Dakar-looking machine. I'd also would like to see some of the small and ugly small cars of Japan get some rally treatment. As an inclusion, I'd want to see the Honda Z-Turbo (mid-four, which is VERY rare in cars) be tuned into a car as powerful as the Mini Cooper Special car from GT2.

Now to LM cars. Call me crazy, but I think the Mustang would look good as a Le Mans racer. The forthcoming Mustang model is questionable. The Shelby Cobra concept unveiled at the N.A. (North American) Auto Show would make a great Le Mans challenger as well. Make a good Viper Concept, and don't forget to make a GT2-spec or GT3-spec version of the Dodge Neon SRT-4. Outside of "musclecarville, USA," let's go international. The Toyota Supra and Nissan Skyline should have one-off race cars. Not the ones based on the JGTC racers, but original cars that keep their late-model stock forms, but with more lights and carbon-fiber GT wings. Speaking of the Skyline, it would be interesting to see the Skyline from the 24 Hours at the Nurburgring (which sadly finished 53rd last year, after being in 3rd at one point) in the game. I think BMW's 1,000 hp M1 needs some LM treatment and can be entered into vintage races and a HUGE opponent in the "80s Race Series." If Porsche makes it, a Porsche 917 in Gran Turismo or Polyphony Digital trim would make for one hell of a race car. If Dome (pronounced doh-may) is considerable for GT, how about the Racing for Holland Dome. I'm not too fond of the checkered-colored Dome. The Peugeot 307 that's into rally will be a GREAT find, and it would make a beautiful sedan to go touring car or low-level GT racing. Australia? Holden Commodore LM, based on the Aussie V8s. Same goes for the Ford Falcon, but I liked the last model better. And it would be amusing to see one of those Holden Utes make a good race car. I CHALLENGE PD to come up with an interesting concept for it.

Well, your turn. And by the way, a quick favor... a 1960-something Buick Special will be in GT4 from the SEMA show. Does anyone have any pictures of it? Everytime I think about it, I somehow think of the much younger Buick Grand National for some reason...
 
Click below for the Buick. Go to the very bottom of the web page for more pics of it.

BTW, there was an Altezza LM car in GT2 too. I don't think PD would ever put a 1987 Buick Grand National or GNX in a GT game. It's too much of an American car. Though, one can still dream.

Bu'Wicked
 
i would also like to see the 24hour bathurst 427 monaro
 
Would love to see a V8 supercars holden commodore and ford falcon. I can't beleive you said you like the older model ford better....the AU is the ugliest car ever compared to the BA.
 
The Holden 427 monaro would be cool to have in gt4. The 500hp machine has killed the Competition (e.g.Ferrari's and Porsche's) in the 24hour race for 2 years now.

AU Falcon was the worst looking family car released in Australian history and it cost Ford a lot of car sales even if it was a decent machine. The new one is on the money but its overwieght by about 150kg.
 
I would like to see the whole Ruf range have their own LM cars.

Jay
 
How about an Evo 8 LM? They put the Tickford Ford in GT3 and GTC so i dont see why they cant put the BA in GT4.If they can get that they should be able to put the VY in there aswell :D

A quick question....I ordered GT4:P over 49 hours ago and asked for UPS shipping, the status of the game hasnt changed from "Preparing order" and it said it would only take 24 hours.Did anyone else have this problem?

Edit:I orderd from Lik-Sang
 
Can't help with the game order unfortunately, but on topic I would love to see an LM version of the new MINI, similar to the one that races in the Belcar series with a BMW M3 engine and rwd. Some racing TVR's this time as well (especially the Speed 12), and I'm with Jay Jam for the LM Ruf's. I would like to see an LM version of the new Bentley GT as well, I think that would be really mad but I think it would be pushing how far PD can go with the LM cars while keeping the game authentic.
 
Thanks for the 1962 Buick, Solid.

Someone mentioned a Lancer Evo and it reminded me. Super Street had a pretty ugly mod to a Mitsu Lancer. The modification had an Evo 4 or 5 with a DTM Race Car look. Considering the Lancer drivetrain choices, I'm sure if it wanted to be a contender, it would have to convert to front drive for traction, or rear drive for that real race car feel.

As a Griffith 500 LM concept, I want to see it take some cues from the Honda S2000 LM. I mean that there should have lights at the hood of the car like the S2000 LM has. A Griffith with a few more lights to add to its already race car-like performance makes it better. The TVR Griffith is, without question, one of the most beautiful cars from Great Britain/England/the United Kingdom (whichever you prefer). The Griffith is second only to the Jaguar XJ220 in beauty. An LM model of the Griffith with the carbon fiber treatment would be an absolute sellout. Alfa Romeo has the 145 and the 155 which would make nice race cars as well.

In one "just for fun" post, I said that the winner of this year's Sugar Bowl would get a special VW Beetle in their colors. And if you know college football, you know that LSU beat OU (it could have been OU/USC or USC/LSU to begin with). Thing is, can you imagine a Beetle Cup Car in yellow and purple?

Now for rally, if any. It would be interesting to see the newer Toyota Prius as a rally car. "But John, that's so dumb? Why an electric car? My grandmother on a tricycle can go faster than that? What the hell are you thinking?" Believe it or not, there actually was a Toyota Pruis in rally racing sometime before. And with the newer model getting all these accolades, why not let it enjoy its success? Likewise, I'd like to see a Honda Insight try rally. For a rally racer, how about an Acura RSX getting dirty? Chevy Aveo? Citroen Saxo? Renault Clio (the mid-rear one)? Now, this will be the nuttiest idea for a rally car... the Yokohama Honda Oddysey. It won't be a Renault Espace F1, but it would be crazier than Michael Jackson (of today).
 
For Rally cars I would Like to see this included. The Mitsubishi Pajero Dakar Rally Race Car.

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An RUF is a Porsche, right? Well then you can use the Prodrive 550 maranello as a sudstitute for Ferrari. If you watch Le Mans then you'll know what I an talking about,
 
An Ruf is not a Porsche, it's not built by Porsche and it has no markings or logo's that are from Porsche on or in the car. It uses very few Porsche parts, the body is really the only part bought from Porsche used on most Ruf's.
 
Man, there are a lot of people who are nieve to the fact that Ruf is not Porsche and Porsche is not Ruf, and they are not even very close.
On the subject, I'd love to have some Paris Dakar rally cars like that Mitsu, and the Ruf and TVR LM's.
 
Just because I was curious, I went to the Ruf site:

http://www.ruf-automobile.de/english/index1.htm

Lets not kid ourselves, in the heart of every Ruf, its a Porsche. Even RUF mentions it over and over, on their own site. They list the Porsche model, then the corresponding Ruf model.

I really don't care if they are deemed by some sanctioning organization as a manufacturer, its a Porsche tuner. A long standing Porsche tuner.

[anyones feathers ruffled?]
 
Erm, no for it to be a tuner it has to take a stock car from whatever marque and modify it, Ruf build their cars from the parts up, sure they use a couple of bits bought from Porsche, but if you want to get picky the Aston Martin Vanquish has alot of parts from Fords, that doesn't make it a Ford, if Ruf used a different body there would never be any dispute over it being a tuner or not. You have parts in a garage, the parts for every car start somewhere, some of these just happen to start at the same place Porsche parts start, Porsche DO NOT build the CTR, RGT, 3400S, Yellowbird ect, Ruf does.
 
Well I agree with you to a point. From my quick scan of the site, I don't see any mention of building from the ground up. I do see all the multiple systems they improve from the existing car. Though I'm no expert, nor have I worked for Ruf. :)

Edit: And I'm sure its more than a couple bits, they even mention with the development of the GT3, they're own product is sure to improve.......
 
Originally posted by FastAndy
An RUF is a Porsche, right? Well then you can use the Prodrive 550 maranello as a sudstitute for Ferrari. If you watch Le Mans then you'll know what I an talking about,

Eh! Don't make me get Famine in here about the RUF is a Porsche crap.

I would not say Prodrive is a car company. They are a team that races cars.
 
I didn't know much about RUF so I took a look at their site. Looks like part of the time they build cars from the Porsche chassis, and part of the time they take existing Porsche models from customers and modify them to RUF output characteristics. The RUF 3400s uses a boxter chassis and body mated with a 911 engine, which is modified (not built from scratch).

So I guess it looks like everyone's right, and wrong. Some of you guys shouldn't be so harsh on people when you don't know the facts yourself.
 
Ruf doesn't have:
...a 917,
...a 962C,
...or even a 911 GT1.

I mean, I think people say "a Ruf is a Porsche, right?" To make a special statement, allow me to qoute from Gran Turismo 2 in the Ruf lineup of cars:

"Although some may argue that Ruf simply modify the products of a famous German sports car maker (guess who?), the transformation of its road cars is so complete that the company is an official car maker in its own right."
-Source: Gran Turismo 2

End of quote. Anyone with any other LM/Rally ideas? I think the Ford Ka would make a nice rally racer. Same goes to a BMW 3 Series-based touring car.

In the LM/Race Car world, a new choice would be a Renault Laguna. On the Japanese side, how about a GT3-tuned Tommykaira ZZ-S? I mean,the ZZ (not the ZZ2, at least not yet) would make an interesting GT3 racer. It would need a nice GT wing to help its aerodynamics. A weird idea I had was a Peugeot 406 (possibly one of the most beautiful sedans in the world) drag car. Peugeot 406 as a drag racer! As aerodynamic as it is, a show car of this would be killer to see down the 400m (I think that is the same thing as the 1/4 mile). In GT2, a modified Toyota 2000GT would be a beautiful racer versus the Datsun 240Z. I would like to see a racing version of a 1953 or 1957 Corvette. Also of mention would be an Impreza Wagon, tuned for Touring car, meaning it can keep its 4WD drivetrain, or go to front-drive to accomodate some 2WD-only series.
 
I'd like to see some Aston's (e.g. the DB7 LMand Vanquish LM) Jags (XKRR LM, X-type LM, and XJ220 - but's its already been done :)), RUF LM, a Mustang SVT LM 👍 and Lotus LM's back in.
 
i know that Ruf is a manufacturer and not a tuner but what doesnt make alpina,and hartge and many others tuners and not manfacturers,example:alpina take the chassis of a bmw and put every other part from their factory and not BMW parts so why are they consiered as tuners and not manufacturers?
 
Because Alpina take a built BMW and then strip it and re-build it with their own parts theown in, Ruf take the parts before they reach the assembly line and build it.
 
maybe iam wrong but as i know alpina only buys from bmw the chassis and they do the rest,ive never heard of alpina buying a fully built bmw and then stripping it and rebuilding it
 
The Chassis isn't the only part from BMW used on an Alpina, I know that.
 
well i know that they use body parts but RUF does too so what is the diffrence
 
In GT2, Tommy kaira has two tuned Skylines with about 350-450 horsepower. All they need to do is make them legalized race cars, then they might be able to take on anything America or Europe can dish out.

A special idea I had is to make a new-model Tom's Castrol Supra GT500 and just go postal on it. I'm talking about:

- 500hp AT LEAST
- full lighting with the headlamps, not the little lights used in the JGTC
- of course, the signature white car with red and green accents.

I would also like to see GTPs of the early-mid 90s. Chevy, Acura, and Toyota had some from Le Mans and IMSA races. They are incredible cars to say the least.

It would be interesting to see if the Honda NSX would have a white and silver paintscheme reminiscent of Team Goh. Now, I say the NSX because I think the colors would look stylish with the alreay stylish NSX. Of course, make this NSX as dominant as the Kunimitsu NSX of the mid 1990s, as they won in their class at Le Mans. And let's shuffle paintschemes. How about a Raybrig McLaren? To me, the Raybrig NSX is the most colorful and vibrant cars ever made in the JGTC, so why not give the JGTC McLaren that paintscheme? Sure, the F1 won't perform like it's FIA GT brother, but at least it would be nice to see paintschemes get shuffled.

If I learn more about any open-top prototype race cars for GT4, I will have more ideas. Until then, I'll leave the replying to you.
 
They can't suffle the paint schemes, they're licenced to each team and for each individual car.
 
Cars I want in GT4, Corvette C5-R 2003, Prodrive Ferrari 550, Cadillac LMP-02, Mercedes CLK GTR(not the DTM car)
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I know I mentioned a kind of ugly Mitsubishi Lancer that had a DTM car look. One thing I think I learned about the DTM cars is that they were designed for serious downforce and to get as much air as possible to the engine. Maybe the same applies to Trans-Am. Even though the car isn't American, I wonder how a 3000GT would look with this treatment (obviously, they'd have to swtich to 2WD, preferably RWD).

The Corvette C5-R. I know Chevy wanted it to be a color of the new millenium, but I liked the Le Mans 2003 paintscheme for it. I really loved the 1999 C5-R package. Black and silver. That Corvette needs to go back to those colors or look for a nice new paintscheme. Maybe black/red for Yokohama, white for Mobil1, or maybe green/yellow for Quaker State.
 
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