The penalty sucks.

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I'm particularly displeased with the time trial penalty where your next lap is invalidated if you slip off the track. Invalidate the lap where the infraction occured! You end up having to go to a lap for nothing.
And if you end up in the sand, you lose tons of time. Is a penalty really necessary on top of that?
 
dvddjd
Can someone on here or maybe from PD, please explain to me the penalty system again? Since the update it seems to favour the punters even more then previously. The past few days since the update I have been punted into the barrier on HSR, getting a 4 sec penalty for that and then ended up going down the track backwards, cars ramming head-on into me and I've gotten a 10 sec Ramming Penalty whilst trying to recover from the previous hit. Meanwhile, the car that punted me is now off and clear by at least 15 seconds. Chance of winning the race over!!!

For the past week the rammers & punters had disappeared but since the latest update they are back and doing more damage :-(
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True. It seems like the punters have all the advantages, and end up winning every time.
 
Great guys,

seems that Google can translate my german into a slang that made you smile.
Nein ich benutze Google nicht mehr ...

Ok , what i can see is, than many bugs implementet into the Update,
the good guys get penaltys bump into tge tyrewalls and the bad guys wins.

For some seems that WINDOWS become the longs worm/virus of the world.
Hope this game wouldn't do so :crazy:
And please not at IBM CPUs , PLEASE
 
Monkey House
I'm particularly displeased with the time trial penalty where your next lap is invalidated if you slip off the track. Invalidate the lap where the infraction occured! You end up having to go to a lap for nothing.
And if you end up in the sand, you lose tons of time. Is a penalty really necessary on top of that?
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It does invalidate the current lap too but I have to agree - the whole idea of invalidating the next lap seems ludicrous. Would anyone in their right mind finish the next lap under those conditions, rather than just restarting?
 
bicycleshorts
I had a nice penalty last night on Fuji, I was braking into the chicane and some guy (who clearly had no intention for stopping) came flying into the back of me. I went off to the left of the track and gained a shortcut penalty (despite my "shortcut" being in the wrong direction) then gained a lovely collision penalty when I flew into the tyre wall at 50mph.

Meanwhile the guy who punted me drove off and made the chicane no problem - without any penalties at all.

I felt I was a bit hard done by.
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I feel the same, punted at the end of the start finish straight! I was just starting to brake for the corner, and end up though the sand and hitting the guard rail.:grumpy:
 
P3nT4gR4m
It does invalidate the current lap too but I have to agree - the whole idea of invalidating the next lap seems ludicrous. Would anyone in their right mind finish the next lap under those conditions, rather than just restarting?
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Exactly. Even though your second lap is invariably faster than your first due to the start, you'll still get to that second lap faster most times than you will finish your current lap and then another.
 
Again today, admittedly I'm on HSR so some punting is to be expected, but why why why if I get rammed on the rear half of my car by a driver flying into the corner, do I get the ramming penalty of 4 secs? I have never moaned about racing online before this new latest update, but the past 3 days have been really infuriating (more so than before). I'm sure someone at PD was having a laugh when they revised the penalty system but please either do it properly or don't have a penalty system at all. I realise we are beta testers at the moment for GT5 but the game is quickly being ruined, IMHO :grumpy:
 
PD have killed on the judging on penalties.

I get nudged to the wall penalty barrier imapct...
This is on HSR.

Well I drift around HSR which is a smooth trak for a stock Z06 but I do get nudged for brakes...
 
dvddjd
Again today, admittedly I'm on HSR so some punting is to be expected, but why why why if I get rammed on the rear half of my car by a driver flying into the corner, do I get the ramming penalty of 4 secs? I have never moaned about racing online before this new latest update, but the past 3 days have been really infuriating (more so than before). I'm sure someone at PD was having a laugh when they revised the penalty system but please either do it properly or don't have a penalty system at all. I realise we are beta testers at the moment for GT5 but the game is quickly being ruined, IMHO :grumpy:
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Well if the Spec III autumn update doesn't make MAJOR changes, then I would seriously consider dropping out GT5p. I will still be in the forums and see whats going on until GT5 final gets released.
 
Penalty system does indeed suck. Someone spins out, careens into the field, then when I maneuver to the very edge of the wall to get out of the way as much as possible, he catapults across all lanes and blocks me sideways. Kablooey!. And I get the penalty.

Then I can't quit the game gracefully like I was able to before the upgrade. I am forced to sit this one out having a coke on the lawn, or turning around practicing donuts on the grass... while the race continues without me.

WARNING to all!!!! If I force-quit myself by pushing the "PS" button I lose all the accumulated loot... I've lost 100,000 credit units that way because the PS does not save any of my recent races to disk. Thanks for that. Now I'm punished again, monetarily.

It's definitely a bug.

Call me a "punter" if you must... but I have found that I can "mind meld" with the car I'm approaching and simply smoosh my way through it. I believe I'm taking advantage of Sony's stated lax in collision detection... some cars just naturally seem transparent (flickering), while others I think do too many jerky motions and thus the collision avoidance strategy makes them so.
 
I know it seems easy to determine who should get the penalty but often times it's not. Let's take 2 scenarios:

1. Some guy comes blazing up behind you and strikes the rear of your car with the front of his.
2. Some guy in front of you hits his brakes and you strike the rear of his car with the front of yours.

Both are basically the same accident with minor differences. The first you could say is the fault of the driver in the rear but what if he's just trying to bump draft at Daytona Oval? Should anyone get a penalty there? Couldn't the driver in front also have avoided the car behind?

The second you could say is the fault of the person in front but what if he's just braking for a turn or avoiding a small animal that has run onto the track? :) Couldn't the driver in back have avoided the accident by moving around? Isn't he at fault for following so closely that he has no reaction time all the while assuming the gent in front is playing above the table?

Honestly, and sadly at the same time, I think both cars that touch should get a penalty and the key would be to figure out which one should suffer the most. And I'm not talking about 4 seconds versus 8 seconds here - it should be a permanent penalty that lasts for the remainder of that race. It doesn't have to be damage, it could just be dropping horsepower or increasing weight but it needs to be substantial enough to make someone really think about racing cleanly.

Now that we are all locked into the race, I would think a race ending penalty would be more than enough to keep people honest and even more so right at the beginning of races like Fuji.
 
GT_Fanatic
What I think Kazunori should do is pull he's finger out and sort out the major issues in the game, instead of this GT-TV stuff, which in my opimion has been quite poor to say the least. OK it might be 69p per vid, but from what i've seen, i'd rather spend 69p on an ice cream.
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I did like the D1 race at Ebisu ... filmed nice :) but yeah the rest... rather spend the money on ice cream... youre right :P
 
praystashun
WARNING to all!!!! If I force-quit myself by pushing the "PS" button I lose all the accumulated loot... I've lost 100,000 credit units that way because the PS does not save any of my recent races to disk. Thanks for that. Now I'm punished again, monetarily.
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If you have auto save on, then it will save your credits after each race. If you feel the need to force quit then thats up to you, but if your the host, then it would be unfair on the clean racers.
 
Got punted at the last turn in Fuji, got a penalty for shortcut.
Thats right! a shortcut for going to the runoff area of the turn!

Nice!
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praystashun
WARNING to all!!!! If I force-quit myself by pushing the "PS" button I lose all the accumulated loot... I've lost 100,000 credit units that way because the PS does not save any of my recent races to disk. Thanks for that. Now I'm punished again, monetarily.

It's definitely a bug.
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If you quit the game without saving, you will of course lose all your progress from after your last save. It doesn't matter if you quit in a race or in a menu. I thought that was pretty obvious, and I don't see how that's a bug.
 
GT_Fanatic
If you have auto save on, then it will save your credits after each race. If you feel the need to force quit then thats up to you, but if your the host, then it would be unfair on the clean racers.
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I understand. I doubt I'd be ever elected to host a game since I have a low internet connection (cable modem "Ultra-Lite" plan, 500 Kbps download speed) so, based on that, I'd expect the PS3 to decide whether I can leave the race voluntarily or not.
 
No I understand. But the "host" / network, whomever, decides who the host is for a particular race. It's in the particular PS3 unit, logically. So when someone of that importance elects to quit before his time, it is THEN that a prompt should say "nah ahhh, no can do" so as not to crap out the remaining players.

If on the other hand, if I was a non-hosting loser, sitting, pouting, crying, whatever, because some dork punted me off into the netherworld, I'd like to humbly bow out. None of the other 11 players even know I'm gone at this point. They're thinking about the brews and womenz they're getting after winning thanks to dirty play. How can they live with themselves? Oh yeah I forgot. Womenz.
 
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GT_Fanatic
You don't have to manually save if you have auto save on.
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Not so. By-the-way, I did have Autosave on.

To have it do the save, I'd have to "X"-it the event, back out of the black events list, and then it will save to disk. Not automatically every time the loot is added in.
 
praystashun
Not so. By-the-way, I did have Autosave on.

To have it do the save, I'd have to "X"-it the event, back out of the black events list, and then it will save to disk. Not automatically every time the loot is added in.
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Wrong. When you race online, whatever credits you win, it will automatically save them after the race has finished. I just tried it. I usually have auto save off, but put it to on and it saved my credits. It's called auto save for a reason.

EDIT: Don't start another race straight away after you finished the last one, check X then re-enter, so the CPU recognises you've started a new race, then it will autosave.
 
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PD what is this ****. I just did 2 races of the beginners sportscar suzuka circuit. Penalty level 1 it says, I wonder if anybody has gotten a penalty in this event cause all I see are cars cutting the chicanes, the S-turns and ramming eachother off the road. How do you expect these guys to behave when they want do race at Fuji?

"-Improvements in penalty judgments" ? I can't see it was like this before the update.
 
Johnhannibal
PD what is this ****. I just did 2 races of the beginners sportscar suzuka circuit. Penalty level 1 it says, I wonder if anybody has gotten a penalty in this event cause all I see are cars cutting the chicanes, the S-turns and ramming eachother off the road. How do you expect these guys to behave when they want do race at Fuji?

"-Improvements in penalty judgments" ? I can't see it was like this before the update.
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Well I haven't raced in beginner events for ages, but back then there wasn't any penaltys, just pure bumper car mayhem.
 
GT_Fanatic
Wrong. When you race online, whatever credits you win, it will automatically save them after the race has finished. I just tried it. I usually have auto save off, but put it to on and it saved my credits. It's called auto save for a reason.

EDIT: Don't start another race straight away after you finished the last one, check X then re-enter, so the CPU recognises you've started a new race, then it will autosave.
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No, you have to go all the way back to main-menu before it will 'autosave'. :rolleyes:
 
Why can't we do time penalties at the end of the track? So you might actually be in 2nd place, but because you got 3 penalties you got 15 seconds tacked onto your time so really you're in 5th place.
 
yet another thread necromanced..

picard-facepalm
 
What's with some of you people? Someone makes a new thread about penalties, you say "use the search function." Someone resurrects an older thread on the topic they searched and you say "facepalm, OhEmGe, this thread's sooooo old." :rolleyes:


So what is it? Oh, just inflating your post counts with inane drivel. Gotcha.

The penalty system is still broken, it does need some discussing.
 
So... how about we give all the people here the option of redesigning it.. I like social experiments so lets take all the ideas.. cause everyone is equal here, and come up with a workable solution.

Then everyone else can tear it to bits.

Whos first ? Bonzo !

- "time penalties at the end of the track? So you might actually be in 2nd place, but because you got 3 penalties you got 15 seconds tacked onto your time so really you're in 5th place." ** ADDED to the list ! So we can still punt someone on the final turn of the final lap to steal first place and cause its only our second penalty all is fair.
We also need to define Penalty here please Bonzo... do you mean cutting corners or contact or both ?
 

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