The problem with fixing something after its too late...

[BlueSky]

My apologies to those of you participating in this thread. I made a few snarky remarks in a previous message that were uncalled for.

 

[curtis_boy]

everyone wants instant gratification
only the humble people can realize why this was a good decison by PD to produce longevity and a genuine feeling of earning a car

 

[ACSR421]

I think at level 40 you should get a master key that unlocks any car you want in the game. They gave us an unrealistic credit system and lack of events to enter and keep the game interesting long term so at least let us drive,tune and enjoy the better cars in the game without grinding our life away.

 

[Crumpet]

It's a shame they haven't removed all of the cars obtained illegitimately.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I'd say its more a case of not doing it right to start with.

PD with this game reminds me of a drunken sailor who can't find his back to his ship.
He just keeps stumbling around bumbing into stuff and falling down.


I'm really amazed at all the brouhaha over this.
To me it's a totally superficial, irrelevant element.

 

[Troux]

I'm at about 980 cars, and my only dupe is the carbon X1, which is arguably the only "difficult" car to obtain, since everything else is just a grind away. I'm still planning on earning one, also; 1/3 golded so far!. From here, all I have to do is refresh the used car lot over and over.

I think PD was just trying to stop people from profiting via eBay (a local guy on CL was offering cars for $5-$15/piece!), as I don't think they really have a problem with duplicating cars over and over to cheat. After all, they started it with the Miata, Skyline, RX-7, 3000GT etc. garbage.

 

[ACSR421]

I think PD did this mainly because of all the multiple dummy accounts people were making eating up server bandwidth etc.

 

[Epic-Name]

I fail to see why everyone is so upset. How you go about to obtain a car is your choice, and if you're willing to pay 50$ for a car (duped or not) that's your problem.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Here is the problem with duping. The value of cars obtained legitimately goes down the drain. If I grind and use my hard earned money to buy a car worth 2 mil, and then I want to trade it, I would pretty much get either scraps or the return asked of me would be more damaging to me than a duper. When you dube, you don't necessariy ever lose a car, because you have copies. On the trade block, who would you deal with, a guy who has a duped car which you can pick up for a lot less or a guy who has a legitimate car who is looking for "fair return." Its basically deflation in value, sort of like the Wal-Mart effect. Small businesses now can't compete because large businesses like Wal-Mart come in and offer uber cheap products that are similar in value to what the small business was selling.

 

[xSNAKEx]

Here is the problem with duping. The value of cars obtained legitimately goes down the drain. If I grind and use my hard earned money to buy a car worth 2 mil, and then I want to trade it, I would pretty much get either scraps or the return asked of me would be more damaging to me than a duper. When you dube, you don't necessariy ever lose a car, because you have copies. On the trade block, who would you deal with, a guy who has a duped car which you can pick up for a lot less or a guy who has a legitimate car who is looking for "fair return." Its basically deflation in value, sort of like the Wal-Mart effect. Small businesses now can't compete because large businesses like Wal-Mart come in and offer uber cheap products that are similar in value to what the small business was selling.

Haha yea, do you remember when dupign began people arguing that duping would not affect rarity or value of cars? They were like, You still have to GET the car, or something along those lines.

I think the whole thing is a miss.

It would have been great if duping never happened. The trading scene would have been so much more fun, and you would actually see rare cars online you have never seen before.

But its too late now. I dont understand if PD had a vision of a non duped GT5 in their minds from the start, how could they fail to see the backup save option would make people dupe cars and thus break this vision.

I find it amazingthat they couldnt provide a form of backing up your game in case of data loss, but without the possibility of duping. I dont think its that hard. The fact they didnt even bother to try made me think they didnt care about preserving any rarity of value of cars.

 

[Epic-Name]

Well maybe it's just me but if I where to trade a car I would not care if it was duped or earned by hours of grinding. That is pointless to me as the value should be the car itself and not the work put down on earning it. If that is what your looking for then the car might aswell be a Fiat 500, only it costs 20.000 000 cr.

And I wouldn't blame someone for duping a car, not everyone has the time/energy to put as much grinding that is needed to buy some cars in this game. As the franchise gets more popular, this is what you get in return.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Well maybe it's just me but if I where to trade a car I would not care if it was duped or earned by hours of grinding. That is pointless to me as the value should be the car itself and not the work put down on earning it. If that is what your looking for then the car might aswell be a Fiat 500, only it costs 20.000 000 cr.

And I wouldn't blame someone for duping a car, not everyone has the time/energy to put as much grinding that is needed to buy some cars in this game. As the franchise gets more popular, this is what you get in return.

Would you rather go buy from a guy who is selling Enzo's for 50k each because he has duped hundreds of them, or buy from a guy who is selling the same car for 500k because he wants atleast a decent return for his investment? I know you can't trade for money in the game, but you should get the point.

 

[Epic-Name]

I would trade something with equal value to whoever is trading. Even though someone has duped a 100 enzo's I still believe he will demand something equal in credit value. Would I have known that he has hundreds of Enzo's already then of course I wouldn't be bothered.

 

[brambos]

I think the point was that the goal of "ownership" of vehicles was a long term one. It'd give people a reason to play for years

Sure, that makes sense, but I don't see anything in GT5 that promises me years of fun to keep playing. Grinding GT5 for years... Seriously? Is that the proposition? Well, then it's official: PD is completely out of touch with Western gaming culture.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

I would trade something with equal value to whoever is trading. Even though someone has duped a 100 enzo's I still believe he will demand something equal in credit value. Would I have known that he has hundreds of Enzo's already then of course I wouldn't be bothered.

I get what your saying, but let me give a you a more realistic scenario. Say you have duped Enzo. Would be willing to trade 1 of your Enzos for a Saleen S7, a moderately rare car, worth less than half of what the Enzo is? On the other hand, if you only had 1 Enzo, would you still make the trade? I would personally do the first one but probably not the second one.

 

[alexleighton]

Yeah, it's too late now. I was just flabbergasted when duping started and they did nothing.

I think the only solution now is to turn every duped car into a pink cinquecento which can't be traded/sold/deleted.

 

[charliec]

Sure, that makes sense, but I don't see anything in GT5 that promises me years of fun to keep playing. Grinding GT5 for years... Seriously? Is that the proposition? Well, then it's official: PD is completely out of touch with Western gaming culture.

Honestly, between the online play, updated online special events, and track creator (and excluding any potential track expansions/updates) there's way more longevity here than any of the previous GT titles, and I happily played those for years.

If you're focusing on playing being equal to grinding, it'll never be fun though. I play lots of one-make races (in practice) that don't pay out anything, and they can be challenging (and fun) as hell.

 

[brambos]

Honestly, between the online play, updated online special events, and track creator (and excluding any potential track expansions/updates) there's way more longevity here than any of the previous GT titles, and I happily played those for years.

If you're focusing on playing being equal to grinding, it'll never be fun though. I play lots of one-make races (in practice) that don't pay out anything, and they can be challenging (and fun) as hell.

No, but for me the fun is offline. I really hate going online and dealing with all the **** and the idiots and general antisocial behavior going on. Not just GT5... Any game I prefer to enjoy offline.

So, yeah... Practice mode perhaps, but without any credit payout, what good is that really?

 

[D_M]

Honestly, between the online play, updated online special events, and track creator (and excluding any potential track expansions/updates) there's way more longevity here than any of the previous GT titles, and I happily played those for years.

If you're focusing on playing being equal to grinding, it'll never be fun though. I play lots of one-make races (in practice) that don't pay out anything, and they can be challenging (and fun) as hell.

Your absolutley right, people are focusing on trying to check the finish box. You can't ever check that box if you truely love GT. The game has been out for about 4 months. I highly doubt that there is one individual that has optimized every car in their garage to fit their individual driving style. Some people should just admit that GT is just not their cup of tea.

 

[Slurm]

It does seem that they were just wanting to put an immediate stop to the selling of duplicate cars, for real money - something I wasn't even aware of.

 

[D_M]

No, but for me the fun is offline. I really hate going online and dealing with all the **** and the idiots and general antisocial behavior going on. Not just GT5... Any game I prefer to enjoy offline.

So, yeah... Practice mode perhaps, but without any credit payout, what good is that really?

This is sort of the strange part. Yes, I know that there are millions of people without internet access, but I highly doubt that racing/driving games in this day and age, is conceptualized without live people being the competition. The current A-spec and B-spec are nothing but an homage to yesteryears. GT's future lies with me racing against you, not the AI. Practice is for me to get my car ready, to race you.

 

[SS_1182]

All those people who were duping and trading like mad from the day you could, already have completed most of their rare and expensive car garage.

All those people who took it a bit easier and played the game more instead of duping now have to pay the price.

I think the patch was too little too late. It should have been like this day 1 or not at all.

But you see, this patch did nothing to affect duplication of cars and sending them to your own PS3. You just can't send them to other PS3's now. 20,000,000 X1's still get sent to sub-accounts with no problems.

 

[charliec]

But you see, this patch did nothing to affect duplication of cars and sending them to your own PS3. You just can't send them to other PS3's now. 20,000,000 X1's still get sent to sub-accounts with no problems.

So they can't distribute or sell them.

 

[SS_1182]

So they can't distribute or sell them.

Correct.

 

[brambos]

This is sort of the strange part. Yes, I know that there are millions of people without internet access, but I highly doubt that racing/driving games in this day and age, is conceptualized without live people being the competition. The current A-spec and B-spec are nothing but an homage to yesteryears. GT's future lies with me racing against you, not the AI. Practice is for me to get my car ready, to race you.

I'm sorry, but I am not interested in playing against human players. Any game without a decent single player campaign will not get my money.

I see more than enough people in my dayjob to not be interested in dealing with the general internet populace in my scarce game time. The signal to noise ratio online is so pathetic that it's not worth my time and energy.

If I were interested in dealing with 13 year olds with mics I would have bought an xbox with a Live subscription.

 

[RedBullRacer]

At the end of the day, I think it's the only option they had. The only people moaning are the people duplicating cars, cos now they have to actually earn them, so it don't bother me. I'm actually happy they done it, like I said, it's the only thing they could do.

 

[SS_1182]

At the end of the day, I think it's the only option they had. The only people moaning are the people duplicating cars, cos now they have to actually earn them, so it don't bother me. I'm actually happy they done it, like I said, it's the only thing they could do.

You can still duplicate cars between accounts on the same PS3 just the same.

 

[D_M]

I'm sorry, but I am not interested in playing against human players. Any game without a decent single player campaign will not get my money.

I see more than enough people in my dayjob to not be interested in dealing with the general internet populace in my scarce game time. The signal to noise ratio online is so pathetic that it's not worth my time and energy.

If I were interested in dealing with 13 year olds with mics I would have bought an xbox with a Live subscription.

Your right!!!! But that's the system we have buddy. Did you try using the same car that's in the typical opponent's list on comfort softs or sport softs?