The government should provide nothing more than the open space for individuals to find their own freedom. Government is incapable of "giving" freedom. Government should be comprised of volunteers, be grass-roots in nature, and a symptom of the culture from which it grew.
Before we begin, Yeah I spent a lot of mulla on chicks and dope.Originally posted by milefile
"I didn't pay my phone bill so I have no phone. I spent my money on pot and girls instead. The government should supply everybody with a phone so I can spend my money on pot and girls."
Government should not be in the business of micromanaging. Government has a small number of uses such as defense and law enforcement. There are very few other instances where government can do any good. Government cannot engineer society. Government cannot control economies. These things, in the end, and whether government attempts to control them or not, are the result of individuals competing.
What is the actual role of governemnt? To take money and spend it on stuff you'll either never even know about or don't approve of and to legislate and impose moral judgements on huge populations for whom they are either inappropriate, irrelevant, or downright offensive.
What is the ideal role of Government? To provide the environment which most allows it's people to thrive on their own.
Originally posted by miata13B
I will get into Corporation in a brief pause by our "Station Idetification". mainly speaking a smoke break![]()
I don't think I'd agree with all of it 100% now, but my sense of justice is essentially the same. It's been a year of change. A baby will do that to you.
I certainly agree a baby will do that. Although I have gone over everything there I caught glimspes of it and will read through the rest of it throughout the day. . .Originally posted by milefile
Here's a little corporation stuff I wrote almost a year ago. I don't think I'd agree with all of it 100% now, but my sense of justice is essentially the same. It's been a year of change. A baby will do that to you.
There area few minor details that really need to be worked out through these theories and I have only given the short short hand of it.
Originally posted by milefile
Back when I was in college and the only real financial security I had was due to my parents, I was moving into a new apartment, which I did at least once a year. I couldn't get any telephone service turned on because I owed the telephone company money and couldn't pay. I was upset about it, and I misdirected my anger toward the phone company. I remember sitting in a coffee house writing in my journal about how unfair society was, how thinkgs like telephone service and electricity should be automatically provided in any dwelling. My rationale was that telephone service is a necessity of life for everybody, therefore everybody is entitled to it. I had some vague notion of a vast network of utility welfare where everybody had a phone no matter what; the government would pay for it. I knew at the time that I was describing what I then knew as communism, and would now call socialism, and it caused some cognitive dissonance, but my quasi-intellectual neediness clouded my ability to consider the issue in a more general way, beyond the fact that I did not pay my bill, that it was my choice to live beyond my means. I think about that inexperienced error in thiinking often nowadays, and when I see it in others it glows red and obvious.
The government should provide nothing more than the open space for individuals to find their own freedom. Government is incapable of "giving" freedom. Government should be comprised of volunteers, be grass-roots in nature, and a symptom of the culture from which it grew. Unfortunately contemporary governments are more in the business of employing professional politicians and imposing culture on localities who were doing fine on their own. The more local a government is the better. Federal governments are dubious.
The current trend in government, especially in Europe, is for politicians to make moral judgements and impose them on people who are not in agreement over them. The judgements are based on a distorted notion of "equality" interpreted as entitlement. All expectations that individuals are free to live in their chosen way, that these manifold and differing ways inherently cultivate competition and strife between groups and individuals, and that such strife is the engine of growth for our species, is being systematically eradicated from the culture. In its place is installed a convoluted, pity-centered system of sameness, a culture killing and excellence stifling system of misunderstood "equality" (a concept intended for numbers, not conscious beings). Any indication that one individual has surpassed any other individual in any way is frowned upon. Some equalizing method must be implemented. For example: "I didn't pay my phone bill so I have no phone. I spent my money on pot and girls instead. The government should supply everybody with a phone so I can spend my money on pot and girls."
Government should not be in the business of micromanaging. Government has a small number of uses such as defense and law enforcement. There are very few other instances where government can do any good. Government cannot engineer society. Government cannot control economies. These things, in the end, and whether government attempts to control them or not, are the result of individuals competing.
I am reminded of when W.S. Burroughs said "Control is controlled by its need to control." This seems to be the current trend. Comprehending this statement is what has turned me from an aspiring pity-based, self-righteoous social-moralist into an anti-government American. More and more I see examples of government sticking it's bloated head into peoples lives, meddling, interfering, and not helping anything but election results. More and more I see people who long to be patronized, who need to be controlled, and call such intervention in their lives "freedom". I am reminded of Neitzsche when he said "Ask not freedom from what, but freedom for what." The way people balk at this question is sad and frustrating.
What is the actual role of governemnt? To take money and spend it on stuff you'll either never even know about or don't approve of and to legislate and impose moral judgements on huge populations for whom they are either inappropriate, irrelevant, or downright offensive.
What is the ideal role of Government? To provide the environment which most allows it's people to thrive on their own.
There is some seriousness to it and some sarcasm of it. Legally speaking I also am insane, but that is a whole different topic. . . maybe make a thread on it.Originally posted by danoff
Which leaves two possible conclusions. Either you're not serious with that post, or you're completely insane.
In American society laws are made to actually keep rich people rich and poor people poor, but it is all hidden behind the white lies.
A number of tax laws are specifically written to make mid class and lower class people paying more money in taxes based off such things as income and property and sales taxes. Specifically in income tax returns you are given the ability to write off a number of items for business use and such. Now the more money you have to pay someone unless you are a CPA or whatever, the more they will work in getting you more money back which probably turns out to be more then you just paid someone to find these items. This is one method of "Work the system like the system works you" If I had another example of a law specifically written giving the richer Business and Corporation owners wealthy I would put it down now, but I don't have one up there currently.Originally posted by danoff
What laws? Where? How? Explain please.
Specifically in income tax returns you are given the ability to write off a number of items for business use and such.
This is absoultely, totally, and completely incorrect. Pure, unadulterated, liberal propoganda.Originally posted by miata13B
A number of tax laws are specifically written to make mid class and lower class people paying more money in taxes based off such things as income and property and sales taxes. Specifically in income tax returns you are given the ability to write off a number of items for business use and such. Now the more money you have to pay someone unless you are a CPA or whatever, the more they will work in getting you more money back which probably turns out to be more then you just paid someone to find these items. This is one method of "Work the system like the system works you" If I had another example of a law specifically written giving the richer Business and Corporation owners wealthy I would put it down now, but I don't have one up there currently.
Yes it is. I will definately admit I have Liberal views on a lot of things that I see. I will also admit my knowledge of this topic is far from being anywhere near correct too. I know that I have strong personal beliefs about the way a government should and shouldn't operate and I think I let that get into this discussion.Originally posted by neon_duke
This is absoultely, totally, and completely incorrect. Pure, unadulterated, liberal propoganda.
Give me sometimes and research and I will return defending my statements.
Thanks man, I make an arse out myself but it is in a process to learn. . . here check this out I found it while I started my research. . . http://gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=35758Originally posted by danoff
Sounds good. You're exactly the kind of person I want to talk to. I look forward to the results of your research.
Ok I have gotten into the Tax section of Cato.org now. I am reading about corporate taxing, income tax and reforming the laws. The first notable thing that I found is that there has been a major increase in taxing laws that complicate everything. . . But that is not where I want this to go. . . I truly want to know where the tax money goes. . . Do these taxes go directly into maintenance, military and government sactioned bodies? Do we have missing money from it? and what about our federal Debt???
here are a few links of what I started to read
Me too! I don't mean to be an ass either. We're all here to learn!Originally posted by danoff
Sounds good. You're exactly the kind of person I want to talk to. I look forward to the results of your research.