The test drive thread!

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No, this isn't about the poor racing game. I've had the pleasure of test driving various cars around local dealerships all day, thought i'd share a few driving impressions. If anyone has impressions of their own, feel free to add. :)

First on the order, a bone stock, base model Porsche Boxster, dark red over black interior, 2001 model. 217hp, 5 speed tranny. It was nice and sunny, so i asked if we could put the top down. Surprisingly friendly Porsche salesman agreed, and we were on our way. Obviously, i didn't go and run the crap out of it, but it was an enjoyable drive. The car has good throttle response, and brakes... well, it's a Porsche, so brakes are marvelous. The suspension is incredible, too. I took the car through a local back road, and although i stayed well within the speed limits, i've never had that much fun before on that road. It just goes where you want it to go, with such ease, it's a blast to drive. Hadn't it been for the 45 900$ (CAD) asking price, i'd have walked out of there with it. Can't imagine how much more fun the "S" is.

Went on my way up to the Toyota dealership, where i tested a black, 2002 Celica GT-S. It's probably because the Porsche was out of this world, but the Celica was pretty boring. It felt as if it had no torque. Looking at the spec sheet, it really doesn't (130 lb/ft, incidentally the same number as in the Integra Type-R, though the latter felt much zippier, from what i can recall at least.) Can't say i liked it very much, so i moved on to something else. For the 23 700$ they were asking, i'd much rather look for an Integra GS-R, or a 97 vintage Integra-R.

A very teal Mini Cooper S (or Biggie, as most people call them now) was on order next. 163 supercharged hp. BMini calls the color Electric Blue Metallic, i'd rather call it "I'd look better on a 50's Cadillac" Teal Metallic. Brand spanking new, with the panorama sunroof and the 17'' wheels, which do make the car rather cartoony. Interior is relatively spacious, though, with the sunroof, i had major headroom problems. Nevertheless, took the car for a quick spin. Good steering, good gearbox, good brakes. But god, that damned supercharger whines so loudly! It's reminescent of a race car with a gearbox with straight cut gears. The noise made the drive unbearable, so much i had to ask the salesmen if it was normal for it to whine that much. Apparently it is. At 37 000$+ CAD, i'd wish for more sound deadener.

I headed to the Subaru dealership as the final destination of my journey (that sounded cheesy, didn't it?) hoping i could drive a WRX STi, or at least get a good look at it. More on that in a few minutes.

First thing that caught my eye when i got there, a green, 1994 SVX. I've liked those things ever since they were new, and i really wanted to drive one at least once. It looked fantastic, as all SVXs do, of course. It pulled smoothly, it was quiet, and it got looks. A lot of looks. Shame about the auto tranny, it killed the driving experience a bit, but then again, this isn't a sports car, it's a GT. 12 500$ was what they were asking for, a bit much if you ask me.

I was a bit disapointed at first, i couldn't seem to find a single WRX STi on the lot. Just as i was about to go home, head hanging in shame, it popped up. It wasn't blue, it was black. In fact, there were at least 5 of them, in various colors (well, various is a big word, considering they come in 4 colors...), except, of course, blue. Funny how stealth they are when you see them in an "unusual" color. Requested a test drive, which i was rewarded with, surprisingly with little hassle. Got to love enthusiast friendly dealers. :)

So, how is it? Well, it made the Boxster feel like a tow truck. I'm still speechless, honestly. I never expected a stock car could be that fast, for that kind of money. This is Corvette/911/ performance, for tens of thousands less! I'm pretty sure the thing would stay close to a Z06, and it costs nearly 30 000$ less (CAD, of course. It was rated at 47000$ or so, the Z06 is at 76 000$ or so) From the outside, it's understated, in black at least. It looks menacing, yet it doesn't look too different from the WRX. The wing's there, the scoop's there, so what makes it look less agressive than the blue ones? The wheels, that's what. Subaru thought it'd be better to give the gold wheels to the blue cars exclusively. Other colors do with silver, which frankly, isn't quite as good looking. I'm sold. I want one, desperately. How much are kidneys going for these days? ;)
 
Hmmm, how odd. PR prancing into any dealership that he wants and gets a test drive. :lol:

I'd tell you how the G35 performs but OH, that's right, they wouldn't let me test drive it. Infiniti bastards. :irked:

How much are kidneys going for these days?
I'm not sure how much kidneys are going for, but I hear that testicles are going for $30,000 USD. 👍
I'll take a STI and you can call me lefty. :lol:
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
A very teal Mini Cooper S (or Biggie, as most people call them now) was on order next. 163 supercharged hp. BMini calls the color Electric Blue Metallic, i'd rather call it "I'd look better on a 50's Cadillac" Teal Metallic.

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Originally posted by boombexus
Hmmm, how odd. PR prancing into any dealership that he wants and gets a test drive. :lol:

:lol:

The only ones i had problems with were the Boxster and the Impreza. But, not as much as i expected, honestly. The only thing i had to show was my driver's license, and that's it. Either our dealerships have loose policies, or i look like someone they'd like to finance... :lol:

Originally posted by Cobraboy ???

Yep, that's the color. Ugly, if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock


Yep, that's the color. Ugly, if you ask me.

Infiniti sells a wonderful similar blue on the G35 (both) - looks dashing. I love blue on most cars, though, so consider me biased.

I want one, desperately

Yeah - $2k more expensive than Mitsubishi, but a better deal per-horsepower. I like the Mitsubishi more, but there's no denying they're both brilliant packages. And finally - we get them both!
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Yeah - $2k more expensive than Mitsubishi, but a better deal per-horsepower. I like the Mitsubishi more, but there's no denying they're both brilliant packages. And finally - we get them both!
We wont get the Evo 8 in Canada... stupid Mitsubishi marketing. We also wont get the Golf R32 but you guys in the US will. Stupid Canada...
 
Originally posted by T13R
We wont get the Evo 8 in Canada... stupid Mitsubishi marketing. We also wont get the Golf R32 but you guys in the US will. Stupid Canada...

Stricter crash tests is the reason why, supposedly. Their FMICs aren't strong enough to support a 5 mph frontal crash as good as they'd want to.

Infiniti sells a wonderful similar blue on the G35 (both) - looks dashing. I love blue on most cars, though, so consider me biased.

I've seen a G35 with that color, it really looks good. I've seen a 350Z Roadster in blue, and that's just damn gorgeous too. But that color, on a MINI, just doesn't look right. The interior had panels painted the same color (a la PT Cruiser).

I'm scheduling a test drive for an SRT-4 pretty soon. I want to know what the hype's all about.
 
Originally posted by T13R
We wont get the Evo 8 in Canada... stupid Mitsubishi marketing. We also wont get the Golf R32 but you guys in the US will. Stupid Canada...

I'd hazard it wouldn't be too hard to go to some Mitsubishi dealer in upstate New York and get an Evo or R32 then drive it across. Am I wrong?

I've seen a G35 with that color, it really looks good. I've seen a 350Z Roadster in blue, and that's just damn gorgeous too. But that color, on a MINI, just doesn't look right. The interior had panels painted the same color (a la PT Cruiser).

Ah - well, then, maybe I'm wrong about the Mini in blue seeing as we agree on the G35, but I was thinking about it and I decided I really like sky blue cars. The posted Mini looks merely average but I haven't seen it yet in that colour - not that I'll keep a look out or anything; I really don't get all the stir.

I'm scheduling a test drive for an SRT-4 pretty soon. I want to know what the hype's all about.

Remember: Even if you don't like it, it is the cheapest new car for sale, by horsepower. It's all about value, and it succeeds by a wide margin. I haven't driven one, nor do I have a desire to, but I reckon it's a pretty decent drive - Dodge really should be making more of these things.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
I'd hazard it wouldn't be too hard to go to some Mitsubishi dealer in upstate New York and get an Evo or R32 then drive it across. Am I wrong?


You couldn't get it insured, or legal for road use, though. Like i said, it's all about the intercooler's positionning. Surely VW and Mitsubishi aren't going to redesign the whole car for a few thousand Canucks...
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
You couldn't get it insured, or legal for road use, though.
Really? What if you had a US friend buy the car then transfer the title to you then (same thing as if you were emigrating to Canada)? That's gotta be a loophole. I guess if you wanted one enough it'd be doable, especially because US and Canadian law probably don't conflict too much on the topic.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
Yep, that's the color. Ugly, if you ask me.

Hmmm, I see where you're coming from. If it were a little darker maybe, but thats more of a baby blue right? Girlie.
 
Sounds like you had fun :)

Hate to burst you bubble on the STi, though.. a Z06 will still kill it bad in every measurable catagory.


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec
Sounds like you had fun :)

Hate to burst you bubble on the STi, though.. a Z06 will still kill it bad in every measurable catagory.


///M-Spec

But it'd still be 30 000$ more. Which you could invest in, say a beefier suspension, stickier tires, a few engine mods, and voila!
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
But it'd still be 30 000$ more. Which you could invest in, say a beefier suspension, stickier tires, a few engine mods, and voila!

That's not a bad point at all. The Vette is signifigantly more expensive.

However, I'm not entirely convinced you can spend only $20,000 USD on a WRX STi and smoke an otherwise stock Z06.

Car and Driver matched several tuner cars including an Evo VIII and WRX (not an STi, though) through a short roadcourse/autocross. Many of these cars cost waaay more than the Z06, but the Vette still whooped them all. It was bone stock.

I'm not saying its not possible, I'm just not really convinced it can happen, yet.


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec

Car and Driver matched several tuner cars including an Evo VIII and WRX (not an STi, though) through a short roadcourse/autocross. Many of these cars cost waaay more than the Z06, but the Vette still whooped them all. It was bone stock.



That test was BS. They asked the tuners to build cars. The said tuners provided rolling catalogs of what they offer, which, obviously, doesn't represent what the average Joe would do to his car. Plus, their tests were all done at the same place. Running a 1/4mile on the back stretch of a NASCAR oval ( which, btw, is inclined a few degrees) is not the same thing as running one on a real dragstrip.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
That test was BS. They asked the tuners to build cars. The said tuners provided rolling catalogs of what they offer, which, obviously, doesn't represent what the average Joe would do to his car.

So you're saying that the tuners brought their slowest cars to the test? And the average Joe would turn out a faster product than people who do this for a living?


Originally posted by PunkRock
Plus, their tests were all done at the same place. Running a 1/4mile on the back stretch of a NASCAR oval ( which, btw, is inclined a few degrees) is not the same thing as running one on a real dragstrip.

If you want to dispute the drag race results, that's fine. But the road course/autocross portions speak for themselves. Do you think C&D rigged the test in the Vette's favor or something? :confused:


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec
So you're saying that the tuners brought their slowest cars to the test? And the average Joe would turn out a faster product than people who do this for a living?


No, you're missing the point completely. What i'm saying is, these cars are a showcase of the said tuner's parts. They're, if you want, show cars (and it's true, these same cars are displayed at SEMA and Hot Import Nights, amongst others). What they do for a living is sell parts, not build whole cars. That price at the end includes a lot of non-performance oriented mods, which are useless in their own way.

To make matters worse, they only allowed new cars. 240SXs, Supras, RX7s, Integra Rs, CRXs, why didn't they allow them? They represent the "tuner" way of life better than a 25 000$ RSX. See a lot of 19-20 year olds with RSXs or EVOs? I don't.

If you want to dispute the drag race results, that's fine. But the road course/autocross portions speak for themselves. Do you think C&D rigged the test in the Vette's favor or something?

Of course. C&D is extremely domestic biased in their tests. Remember last year's tuner shootout? There was a Porsche 911 Turbo, built by AutoThority, that dominated the whole damn thing. It was the fastest car in the bunch, by miles. But they still gave the #1 spot to a Lingenfelter Corvette, saying it was more civilised on the road. I thought it was a performance contest, and these guys come in and say it's more civilised on the road, yet it's much slower, so it wins?
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Yeah - $2k more expensive than Mitsubishi, but a better deal per-horsepower. I like the Mitsubishi more, but there's no denying they're both brilliant packages. And finally - we get them both!
OMG, I actually agree with Doug for once. The STI does throw down 300 hp compared to the Evolution 8 with its 271hp. But if you have test driven them both, you get a better cornering and control feel out of the Evolution 8 where the STI is a power car. Both are very enjoyable. I still can't get over the fact that I agree with Doug though :lol:

Originally posted by PunkRock
Of course. C&D is extremely domestic biased in their tests. Remember last year's tuner shootout? There was a Porsche 911 Turbo, built by AutoThority, that dominated the whole damn thing. It was the fastest car in the bunch, by miles. But they still gave the #1 spot to a Lingenfelter Corvette, saying it was more civilised on the road. I thought it was a performance contest, and these guys come in and say it's more civilised on the road, yet it's much slower, so it wins?
Have you seen this year's Fourgasm by C&D. That was the biggest pile of horsecrap I have seen in a longtime. Well since the Lingenfelter Corvette incident. I actually believe that they are paid off by companies and don't push certain cars or aftermarket manufactures properly. Actually, I don't believe these guys can push an aftermarket car properly considering that they mainly drive factory boxes all the time. I'll give the S2000 credit for placing number 1, but the end. . . The Corvette Z06 still beats them all up by 1.x seconds. That is a pile of crap.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
No, you're missing the point completely. What i'm saying is, these cars are a showcase of the said tuner's parts. They're, if you want, show cars (and it's true, these same cars are displayed at SEMA and Hot Import Nights, amongst others). What they do for a living is sell parts, not build whole cars. That price at the end includes a lot of non-performance oriented mods, which are useless in their own way.

Actually, I'm trying stay true to the critical points of our discussion. Telling me that the test was BS means that you think there was something wrong with how the test was conducted or the test was rigged, which it was not.

Let's not forget how this came about. Can a WRX or WRX STi be modified to best a Z06 Corvette for USD $20,000 (~30k CDN)? Not only are we talking straightline acceleration, but on a road course too.

If you want to say that the cars that ended up at the C&D test were "all show, no go" cars, that's a separate issue to which I would answer with this: If the parts were available for a WRX to go as fast as a Z06 Corvette, do you think the guys at Cobb Tuning failed to show up with them?

At this point, I should point out the Vishnu Evo came damn close to the winning Comptech S2k, and did so with about the lowest amount of $ over the cost of the car. So bang for the buck, the Evo is the way to go... But it was still a few seconds behind the Vette.

Originally posted by PunkRock
To make matters worse, they only allowed new cars. 240SXs, Supras, RX7s, Integra Rs, CRXs, why didn't they allow them? They represent the "tuner" way of life better than a 25 000$ RSX. See a lot of 19-20 year olds with RSXs or EVOs? I don't.

Not sure if this is relevant to the discussion, but okay. You're right, I don't see too many 20 year olds in Evos. But at the same time, I don't see too many 20 year olds in 11 second Civics either.


Originally posted by PunkRock
Of course. C&D is extremely domestic biased in their tests. Remember last year's tuner shootout? There was a Porsche 911 Turbo, built by AutoThority, that dominated the whole damn thing. It was the fastest car in the bunch, by miles. But they still gave the #1 spot to a Lingenfelter Corvette, saying it was more civilised on the road. I thought it was a performance contest, and these guys come in and say it's more civilised on the road, yet it's much slower, so it wins?

Irrelevant. In the article we're talking about, C&D rated the tuner cars, but only mentioned the test times for the Z06. Numbers don't lie, and they don't form opinions.



///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec


If you want to say that the cars that ended up at the C&D test were "all show, no go" cars, that's a separate issue to which I would answer with this: If the parts were available for a WRX to go as fast as a Z06 Corvette, do you think the guys at Cobb Tuning failed to show up with them?


The Cobb Tuning WRX was built to be a monster AutoX car, actually. AutoX, as you may know, requires more handling than power.

I get your point, and i disagree with it. You don't seem to get my point, regarding the fact C&D's testing was irrevelant. Don't take everything you in C&D read for granted.
 
i went to our local subaru dealer a couple of weeks ago, they had a blue STI, they wouldnt let any one test drive it, that kinda sucked
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
The Cobb Tuning WRX was built to be a monster AutoX car, actually. AutoX, as you may know, requires more handling than power.

Well then why did he spend $30,000 on the engine and powertrain, but only $4,000 on suspension?

And since you mentioned it, I am pretty familar with autocrossing, having done it for several years now. For your information, stock Z06s absolutely dominate Solo II as well... on a whole being much faster than even modified cars with thousands and thousands of dollars in them.

Feel free to browse the SCCA Solo II National Championship results for 2002. You'll notice that S-Stock Z06s and Corvettes are much faster than most Street Prepared and even some Prepared cars. You can find WRXs in D-Stock, STS or STX or SM.


Originally posted by PunkRock
I get your point, and i disagree with it. You don't seem to get my point, regarding the fact C&D's testing was irrevelant. Don't take everything you in C&D read for granted.

I don't get your point because you haven't shown any convincing arguments to support it.

Why is the drag strip section irrevelant? It was performed in the pit lane (completely flat), not on the banking, as you stated. All the cars ran the same, exact course. How did the Vette have an unfair advantage?

The Cobb car was stated to have 450 hp.. with over $30,000 USD invested into the engine and drivetrain. Yet it couldn't beat even the Comptech S2000 which was down almost 100 hp.

If C&D is so bias towards Domestics, why did the 2 domestic cars (Neon and SVT Focus) finish at the end of the pack? The Focus was dead last. Why did they place the RX-8 and G35 over the SVT Mustang Cobra in a previous comparo of $35,000 sports coupes when the Cobra trounced both cars in performance (absolutely creaming them in the 1320)? Why are there an overwhelming number of imports (8) over domestics (2) on their 10 Best list?

If I disagree with C&D (and I often do), I'll usually have a reason. You can argue over opinions as long as you please, but lap times are facts, and they don't lie.

I didn't originally intend to turn your fairly off-hand comment into a long debate, but you seem so adament about your position I had to wonder why. If you would prefer to agree to disagree, that's fine... but if you have real arguments to back up your opinions, I'd like to hear them.


///M-Spec
 
I'm going to revive the test drive portion of this thread. I've driven a Porsche Boxster S, a Lexus IS300, a BMW 745i, and an Audi TT. the Beemer was my favorite. Had the GPS in the I-Drive and everything. Very nice car. I also got a ride in an S200, so that doesn't count, but I really liked the car from the passenger seat. there's lots of room for slightly taller people (6'-6'2" can sit very comfortably). Wish I could've driven it.
 
Is the Evolution 8 a lot better in the handling department? Or is it that it feels better whereas the STi is not as refined to stay closer to the rally version of the car?
 
I drove a silver M Roadster Thursday. Too small for my tastes, but it had plenty of power.👍 Some kid(22) from Pennsylvania with an '02 black M5 let me drive his car around for about 15 minutes Tuesday. It was quick, but not what I had expected. Also got to drive an SC430 yesterday evening when me and my Dad went looking for something to buy my mom when she moves down here. It's a beautiful car on the outside, and in. Too bad about those ugly manhole covers for wheels, though.:scared: Still, though, it's 467 times nicer than my 'L'. Our neighbor just got a new Z4, and I've been meaning to ask him to let me drive it, but I probably won't. I know he'd let me as he's let me drive all of his other BMW's, and his son's BMW's, but I've already driven a black 3.0 Z4 so this wouldn't be anything special. I had a test drive in a '97 wingless red Supra TT scheduled for today, but it's f-ing raining so I'll have to reschedule. I'm interested in purchasing it, but it's been around the block more times(high mileage) than Doug's mom.

One of these days I may test drive an Evo VIII, SRT-4, STi/etc, but for now I have no desire to.
 
Thought i'd bump this back up, because i drove a very yellow SRT-4 this afternoon.

I have to say, it looks a bit meaner in real life than on the pictures. I think the front end looks great, but all is lost with the rear. The double tailpipes look like they could sag after a few years/months. And i won't even talk about the rear wing...

The seats didn't feel that good, they felt a bit flat. I did like the instruments, that were easy to read, even while driving. The shifter and clutch had a weird feeling, most probably due to the fact this is the dealer's test car, which has been driven by a lot of people and personnel. There was a lot of wind noise coming from around the right window at speeds above 35 mph, which was getting on my nerves. The salesmen said it wasn't a normal issue, that it was the first time he heard the noise. Whatever it was, it's not normal for a new car. That rear wing i wasn't going to talk about is also in the way, big time, when you want to look in the rear view mirror. I've owned an Integra Type-R, with a similarly heighted wing, and it wasn't this bad.

Cocky salesmen is telling me this will whoop my CRX's ass (which i arrived to the dealer with, nice to see it running again...) like no tomorrow. I ask him how it can, since my CRX is about 900lbs lighter, and has roughly 100 hp more. Told him i'd give him a ride after, if he wanted to, so he could compare. That idiot shut up. Guess he thought he was dealin' with another "m@d tyite ricer, y0!" I noticed turbo lag under hard acceleration, which is due, i guess, to the abuse this car has received. Handling isn't that bad, though i didn't go 10/10ths with it, but i noticed some mild torque steer when accelerating. Wonder what an LSD could do.

It's quick, but i still don't see what the hype is all about.
 
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