The thing about the Senna content...

[OriginalCheezIt]

How do you come to these conclusions??? Look a few of your posts back in your post history. You're either still in high school or college. It's not a big deal for a college to a get a tv like that, so I'm guessing you are still in high school. And if you're in college, even taking an extra few years...you still wouldn't have known what you were watching at that age. Don't go drawing conclusions from YouTube video clips, movies and other peoples opinions, mang.

Yeah, I got it. I'm young, so I don't get to have an opinion of my own. I never said that Senna was perfect. Some of the stuff he pulled was absolutely ridiculous at times (Suzuka in 1990 being one of several examples), but that doesn't change the fact that he was a great driver that deserves to be remembered. I certainly wouldn't argue against seeing other drivers like Sterling Moss, Niki Lauda, Tazio Nuvolari, Dale Earnhardt Sr. or Michael Schmacher getting their deserved recognition through GT6 content.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Either way, you clearly feel much stronger than I on this matter. I don't bother with fans who clearly have there heart or feelings into admiring a driver, let alone one that has passed away. It is a waste of time and I could be doing better things, than argue about senna on the web.

And then proceeds to continue arguing his case.

If you don't want to read these sorts of things, go make a thread that puts Senna on a pedestal.

Who is putting Senna on a pedestal?

That smart mouth comment about the 65 poles - I guess you learned something last Friday.

How is that smart mouth? He won 65 poles.

Don't go drawing conclusions from YouTube video clips, movies and other peoples opinions, mang.

Then of course we should take your advice and ignore you too.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

Shots fired

 

[Brandon402]

Because Dale Earnhardt Sr. content would be really, really boring. We'd get a Nascar #3 to crash at Daytona. I mean no disrespect to Dale Sr., it's just Nascar is really boring in racing games IMHO.

 

[Imari]

We'd get a Nascar #3 to crash at Daytona. I mean no disrespect to Dale Sr., it's just Nascar is really boring in racing games IMHO.

Because very few racing games have the depth of physical simulation to represent what makes NASCAR and oval racing in general such a skill.

At it's best, it can be the most intense racing available, with cars inches away from each other for laps on end, with every move and countermove a dance with the other drivers. It's very rare to have the same level of interaction with other drivers on a road course. The level of racecraft required to win consistently is insane, and to be very quick around an oval is no easy task either. I'm a road racing guy by nature, but I've done some ovals and it's unbelievably intense when you're racing in the middle of a pack.

At it's worst, it's going around in circles. But so is road racing, road courses just have better scenery.

I would certainly put Lauda and Schumacher in the same category as Senna, but I wouldn't say they were the same era. They had their own eras. But excellent drivers nonetheless. If they had all hit their prime in the same era, who knows who would have come out on top. As for Piquet and Prost, they were also very very good at their craft. But Senna just had a head up on them in my eyes.

Certainly, and I can appreciate that for you, Senna was the driver you feel was better. For me, I have a deeper appreciation for the skill of Prost, probably because my driving style is more similar to his. But I can respect anyone that says that they believe either of these are the best drivers of the era, or likewise Piquet.

What I can't stand is when someone says that Senna is unequivocally the best driver of the era and that they can prove it. It can't be done. Even with statistics, Formula 1 is so warped by the relative strength of the cars available that it's perfectly possible for the world's greatest driver to not have the world's greatest statistics. It's always going to be a game of opinion and perception, and as such no real absolute best driver can be crowned.

This is rather disingenuous of a comparison, since that's more than 40 years of F1 competition. I'd hesitate to even say that Lauda was of the same "class" of drivers as Piquet/Senna/Prost, even taking his successful unretirement into account; nevermind Schumacher.

Fair enough. I'm a Prost guy, and I know people who are Piquet guys, and they all have their merits. While Senna tends to get the lion's share of the limelight simply because of the way he went out and the fact that his style was extremely media friendly, I don't think he was significantly better than either Prost or Piquet. It gets up my nose when people put forward Senna as the greatest driver, ignoring that he was up against some pretty stiff competition who were more than capable of beating him on any given day.

 

[332i]

And then proceeds to continue arguing his case.

Who is putting Senna on a pedestal?

How is that smart mouth? He won 65 poles.
Then of course we should take your advice and ignore you too.

You skipped over a lot of both our posts. He thought he was being whitty and make a joke between the ten foot pole/65 poles.

If I have to tell you who puts senna on a pedestal, something is wrong. I said exactly who, btw. Google it. A didn't really have a case to argue. Some high schooler starts writing like how great senna was, etc. He's just regurgitating stuff. Go read my original post, then read what was written about by me following that.

Cheeze-it, what are your thoughts on Regan? See my point, now? If you think that is arrogance, I guess it looks pretty good on me. I'm not arrogant, because I was around to see it.

Don't pout and say "oh what, now I can't have an opinion because I'm young?" I specifically said a few posts before that, that you are obviously entitled to your opinion. That's fine to have an opinion...just don't get bent out of shape when someone sees through you, suspects you weren't even born yet...and turns out to be correct lol.

JP, I was certainly old enough to understand what was happening while watching a race on television back then. Not sure where you got that, but ok lol.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You skipped over a lot of both our posts. He thought he was being whitty and make a joke between the ten foot pole/65 poles.

If I have to tell you who puts senna on a pedestal, something is wrong. I said exactly who, btw. Google it. A didn't really have a case to argue. Some high schooler starts writing like how great senna was, etc. He's just regurgitating stuff. Go read my original post, then read what was written about by me following that.

Cheeze-it, what are you thoughts on Regan? See my point, now? Don't pout and say "oh what, now I can't have an opinion because I'm young?" I specifically said a few posts before that, that you are obviously entitled to your opinion. That's fine to have an opinion...just don't get bent out of shape when someone sees through you, suspects you weren't even born yet...and turns out to be correct lol.

JP, I was certainly old enough to understand what was happening while watching a race on television back then. Not sure where you got that, but ok lol.

Unless you are Senna himself, or another F1 driver, we're all regurgitating stuff aren't we? Kind of disingenuous to tell someone they are entitled to their opinion and then refer to them as a "high schooler" isn't it. Be like saying you're entitled to your opinion and then refer to you as a blowhard or a troll wouldn't it?

 

[332i]

Unless you are Senna himself, or another F1 driver, we're all regurgitating stuff aren't we? Kind of disingenuous to tell someone they are entitled to their opinion and then refer to them as a "high schooler" isn't it. Be like saying you're entitled to your opinion and then refer to you as a blowhard or a troll wouldn't it?

IMO, you're opinion of him is much more valid, if you were alive during that time period. So, no. We're not all regurgitating stuff. There is a big, big difference between seeing hand-picked, carefully selected clips of footage and watching whole races, seasons, live, etc.

Disingenuous? How is that possible? A high schooler goes off spouting about senna being the best of his era, quite possibly ever. It is impossible to be disingenuous when regarding someone who thinks that, given the meaning of disingenuous.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

You skipped over a lot of both our posts. He thought he was being whitty and make a joke between the ten foot pole/65 poles.

If I have to tell you who puts senna on a pedestal, something is wrong. I said exactly who, btw. Google it. A didn't really have a case to argue. Some high schooler starts writing like how great senna was, etc. He's just regurgitating stuff. Go read my original post, then read what was written about by me following that.

Cheeze-it, what are your thoughts on Regan? See my point, now? If you think that is arrogance, I guess it looks pretty good on me. I'm not arrogant, because I was around to see it.

Don't pout and say "oh what, now I can't have an opinion because I'm young?" I specifically said a few posts before that, that you are obviously entitled to your opinion. That's fine to have an opinion...just don't get bent out of shape when someone sees through you, suspects you weren't even born yet...and turns out to be correct lol.

JP, I was certainly old enough to understand what was happening while watching a race on television back then. Not sure where you got that, but ok lol.

What are my thoughts on Reagan? That is pretty irrelevant, don't you think?

Why, what are your thoughts on slavery?
Oh nevermind, your opinion on slavery is garbage anyways because you weren't born yet.

IMO, you're opinion of him is much more valid, if you were alive during that time period. So, no. We're not all regurgitating stuff. There is a big, big difference between seeing hand-picked, carefully selected clips of footage and watching whole races, seasons, live, etc.

Disingenuous? How is that possible? A high schooler goes off spouting about senna being the best of his era, quite possibly ever. It is impossible to be disingenuous when regarding someone who thinks that, given the meaning of disingenuous.

You do know that there are whole races to be found on the Internet, right? And you are regurgitating as well, wheter you want to admit it or not. Unless you were a F1 driver at the time of Senna, you learned everything you know about him through the words of Ayrton, or the words of other drivers or officials that spoke of Ayrton. All of which are OPINIONS.

 

[332i]

Lol ok.

 

[Johnnypenso]

What are my thoughts on Regan? That is pretty irrelevant, don't you think?

Why, what are your thoughts on slavery?
Oh nevermind, your opinion on slavery is garbage anyways because you weren't born yet.



You do know that there are whole races to be found on the Internet, right? And you are regurgitating as well, wheter you want to admit it or not. Unless you were a F1 driver at the time of Senna, you learned everything you know about him through the words of Ayrton, or the words of other drivers or officials that spoke of Ayrton. All of which are OPINIONS.

Who is this Regan anyway?

 

[Tornado]

Regan Smith, the NASCAR driver?

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

What are my thoughts on Reagan? That is pretty irrelevant, don't you think?

Why, what are your thoughts on slavery?
Oh nevermind, your opinion on slavery is garbage anyways because you weren't born yet.



You do know that there are whole races to be found on the Internet, right? And you are regurgitating as well, wheter you want to admit it or not. Unless you were a F1 driver at the time of Senna, you learned everything you know about him through the words of Ayrton, or the words of other drivers or officials that spoke of Ayrton. All of which are OPINIONS.

FTFMS

 

[stuff1138]

That's why you don't see the Chevrolet Corsair in GT, or the Chevette, or the Dodge Omni or a K-car. They have no historical importance as cars and won't encourage sales.

The Chevette does have some rally pedigree and the Corsair despite what Ralph Nader has to say about it was a very high tech and influential car at the time...

 

[MatskiMonk]

My personal opinion on Senna hasn't changed, and that is that I have no real opinion, I couldn't really car that much either way. The content itself was untidy, and for whatever reason, quite limited.

My opinion may not be a popular one, but I don't think personalities have a place in the Gran Turismo series, there are too many inherent compromises - with the possible exception of the GTA drivers, who are a product of the game.