The truth about American's Horsepower

[neanderthal]

who compares the DIESEL dodge engine to a petrol V8 with regards to torque? any diesel engine is giong to give you better torque than a petrol engine of the same size.

try comparing say a four liter jeep inline six with a 4 liter V8.

BMW made one, mercedes made one, i think the early STS northstar engines were about 4 liters and so on. thats a far more valid comparison because more displacement generally means more power and torque. not fair to comare a small v8 witha large 6 cylinder.

 

[Wolfe]

Hardly just 'hopped up' though is it? I doubt there was much relation, in materials at least between that motor and the one currently spinning in your Beamer.

Actually, I assumed that myself until recently. I found an article that explained that the engines were in fact taken from pre-owned BMW roadcars (because the engines were broken-in and therefore better for turbo-ing). The reason why they took so much power most likely had to do with the fact that they used some obscure fuel formula first developed by the Nazi's in WWII... Cheap, yes, but as we all know, Top-Fuel engines don't burn petrol either...

Good. Fantastic. It matches the power per litre. My point is, and has always been that power per litre is great, but it is the outright power that really matters. As has been said though, it is opinion and should be left to rest. 👍

Yeah, I can definitely agree to that. I've only been trying to prove the merits of high-specific-output engines -- rather than the superiority -- to those who denounced them. Well, there were some heated remarks here and there...

As far as I am aware, I havent thrown any s**t at European or Asian engines, never have I said 'Euro and Asian engines are s**t' outright, I just prefer V8s (not even necessarily American ones either) I loved the noise my neighbours 412 rwhp hybrid turbo MR2 made every morning, and the way the turbo came in and kicked you in the back, but ultimately they leave me cold.

Well, the way you came crashing in here seemed rather dramatic and fiery (the first line of your first post certainly didn't help ), and you seem to be opposed to small-displacement and/or four-cylinder engines (which are predominantly Euro/Asian ), but you're right, you haven't specifically targeted Euro/Asian engines. And I can understand the reasons behind your preference for V8s.

Then I would assume you like the leman winning Cobras and Gt40s that were created by putting large displacement v8s into European chassis.

I'll be blunt: **** yeah! I don't hate large-displacement engines or V8's at all -- I just hate people who blindly support them and refuse to accept any other kind of engine as anything but a piece of junk. Actually, that goes for blind supporters of any kind of engine. 👍

Yes, auto box, but I didn't mean that, I just meant that the v8 would not run out of puff, merely change earlier than the v6.

I noticed that you edited your post above...my claim that the V8 would run out of puff was a generalization, since the 6/8 dispute that has been going on here is largely theoretical and general.

and your ferrari example is my point by foriegn 8cyl engines....they try making small v8's, which always suck with torque....many small cylinders will always make less torque than less big cylinders --- aka the Dodge truck with an almost 6 liter v-6 and over 500 lb-ft of torque, so keep naming crappy smaller V8's and think that they are awesome if you like
I understand that I did not specify any of this, & still, I don't care keep holding on to your estranged hope of finding smaller engines or crappy engines with a tiny amount less torque & feel good about yourself for it, ok?

Since when was I arguing that smaller engines made more torque? The smaller-engine-making-more-torque thing was simply a coincidence. In any case, yes, you didn't specify any of this, that's because you were adamant about the idea that V8's are just better than 6-cylinders, no matter what. Go ahead and change the argument to make it so that you've won, if you must. Any facts or proof I present to you will be disqualified on the grounds that you "don't like it," anyway, so I might as well be talking to a wall. And that isn't very productive. So I give up.

 

[430_Riviera]

But, why would someone run an engine on pump gas, if it was a race motor?? And, why would the car its going in weigh over 4000lbs??

Because you can and this is it:



T/A performance's Buick big block powered station wagon. Driven to the track, run on pump gas, still over 2 tons and still running 8.99s with technology from 10 or so years ago. 👍 I say good on them.

noticed that you edited your post above...my claim that the V8 would run out of puff was a generalization, since the 6/8 dispute that has been going on here is largely theoretical and general.

👍

Actually, I assumed that myself until recently. I found an article that explained that the engines were in fact taken from pre-owned BMW roadcars (because the engines were broken-in and therefore better for turbo-ing). The reason why they took so much power most likely had to do with the fact that they used some obscure fuel formula first developed by the Nazi's in WWII...

wow, that's amazing if they keep the block... that motor has gone up in my estimation then. a 50p piece to the guy that steals the turbo charging system off the museum piece and has a 1500hp 318I

Well, the way you came crashing in here seemed rather dramatic and fiery (the first line of your first post certainly didn't help ), and you seem to be opposed to small-displacement and/or four-cylinder engines (which are predominantly Euro/Asian ), but you're right, you haven't specifically targeted Euro/Asian engines. And I can understand the reasons behind your preference for V8s.

Just the way I was brought up I'm afraid, my dad had a 72 Demon and a 79 Z28. Up till a little while ago we had the 87 Iroc, but we sold it but we still have a soft as ****e 81 corvette and a hard as nails 69 Buick Riviera though, so you can prolly see where my bias came from. We have a local speed shop down here (I live on the Isle of wight, a tiny little bit of land off of the south coast of the UK) that houses a 750 horse dyno, and the amount of incredible stuff you see down there takes the cake there is even a koenig Ferrari on the Island, once spotted (well heard first, what a cracking noise!) doing speed runs on the local airport.

There are about 50 American cars on the Island, including a 600HP Buick Skylark that carries the fronts for 80 foot. There are loads of Japanese cars such as 22bs and R34s, I think it's cos we have good roads, pull up a chair next to the military road (the discerning Islanders speed test area of choice-we had 132 MPH out of the Camaro on that road, it certainly wasn't doing 28 MPG then ) and watch the performance machines scream by.

V8's are just better than 6-cylinders

The 3.2 v6 in the Alfa 156 GTA is one of the best motors full stop I reckon, Autodelta'll push it out to 3.7 liters for you and install a Ferrari throttle body on it, at which point you'll see 378 or so horses on the Dyno and be deafened by the aural assault it makes on your senses.

that sounded like a sales pitch.

 

[JNasty4G63]

Because you can and this is it:



T/A performance's Buick big block powered station wagon. Driven to the track, run on pump gas, still over 2 tons and still running 8.99s with technology from 10 or so years ago. 👍 I say good on them.

Hey, thats great for them. I've still yet to find any info anywhere that backs up that claim of "pump gas" though. I don't doubt that an engine making that much power, even in a car that heavy, will run good numbers. Hell, with over 900hp, it should. But, I still say, with that high of a CR, I doubt they get away with "pump gas" alone in it. And no, just using pump gas with a crap load of toulene or other adders in there doesn't count. At that point, you have race fuel, so its not pump gas.

Hilg