The Turbo Era: Group B-C and Formula One

[ak101]

The short-lived greatest rallying era of all time has gone by three decades. This era lives long in time, history and within those who know. The group B rally cars will always remain some of quickest and certainly the most powerful ever.

Formula One in 83-89 followed the turbo domination and was eventually banned just like Group B. Ayrton Senna began his Formula One career alongside his rival Alain Prost. Sheer talent and raw power was witnessed by the worlds famous circuits, which now are excluded in present time Formula One seasons.

How many cars from this timeless era are in GT5?

 

[JBanton]

I would love it and do think it deserves a thread, but think this should be in one of the wishlists.

 

[interpolfan11]

I would love it if GT6 emphasized the Group B cars. PD has always kind of neglected that era for some reason.

 

[Theace37]

I would love it if GT6 emphasized the Group B cars. PD has always kind of neglected that era for some reason.

I must say if GT included the group B rally cars and the group C lead mans prototypes I Would keel over in joy

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Do want. I think the group B rally cars need to be more involved with GT6. And as someone else mentioned about group c and le mans prototypes PD does need to make special events for these cars and update some of the individual leagues in general. Like DTM, i don't know what the newest DTM in gt5 is but isnt it only like a 2001. We needs Dis

 

[Theace37]

Why were late 70s and 80s race cars so awesome?

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Why were late 70s and 80s race cars so awesome?

Because they wernt as safe. XD

Now a days we got all this restricter stuff, and regulations, and these things called ABS and TCS. Not 100% sure if those existed back then or not but there were definately less safety messures.

+hippies

 

[ak101]

The 1980s Group B and F1 days are also known as the Turbo Era. In this time Both machines were turbochargerd but, rally was more popular than F1. Motorsport in the 1980s was all about the turbocharger.

GT5 features no competition cars from this Legendary era. It certainly seems like most people don't give thought and are into modern day wrecks.

 

[ak101]

Can't figure out why they commited such a crime.

 

[VQuick]

GT4 had most of the Group B beasts represented.. Make those cars premium and include a few new cars like the Lancia 037, and we’ll be all set.

 

[ak101]

GT4 had most of the Group B beasts represented.. Make those cars premium and include a few new cars like the Lancia 037, and we’ll be all set.

Just like you said these cars need to be in premium and they must sound exactly like those in real life.

 

[ak101]

Four Reasons Why the 1980's Turbo Era was the Best

The turbo era in motosport was the one that is etched in every one's mind. The 1980's timeless era were the years when they used turbo's and it was just a thrill to watch the 1980's turbo cars tearing up the track. Turbo cars had so much power, sometimes the drivers couldn't even control their cars.

Here are the reasons:

1. Cars in the turbo era were fast and unruly. Other backmarker teams have plenty of chance to win if they have a driver capable of delivering such feat. One evidence of this was when Senna drove for Toleman. He showed the team what he can do with a car that has a turbo and a mediocre chassis. Nonetheless in race day, a driver given a good all around package can certainly win even if he wasn't in the best team.

2. There were more actions and overtaking in the turbo era than the current Formula 1 and WRC. Many cars were being overtaken, passing and re passing in almost every lap. That was the pure joy that we miss today in the current Formula 1. From 2000 through 2007, the races were predictable. Whoever takes pole, then the driver will surely win. There's hardly any overtaking. In the turbo era, it was very close competition among the top teams and also the backmarkers. The thrill, the suspense, and the overtaking were days long gone and only remembered when we take a look at the 1980's decade when the real racing were happening.

3. Driving skills were heavily involved in the turbo era because they didn't have a semi automatic flappy paddle. They had a manual gearbox, slick tires, and hardly any downforce in their cars. Which means that it was a hard labor driving Formula 1 and Group B back in those days. Controlling these cars that had over 1000 horsepower (F1) and 600 horsepower (Group B) no electronic aids were no joke; that just tells you how skill full the drivers in those days have to be.

4. A lot of great drivers also came from the turbo era. The likes of Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, and Nelson Piquet in Formula One. Group B had the likes of Markku Alen, Stig Blomqvist, Michele Mouton and Walter Rohrl. These were the greats that came along, but there were also drivers that can match these greats on certain occasion. The level of competition in the 80's were high because a lot of drivers were very good, they just didn't have the car to follow up on their skills.

 

[Frank Fox]

we can only dream

 

[avens]

All of which will be ruined in GT6, with 99.99% of players using all assists and a controller.

This is what people expect




This is what they'll get

 

[dr_slump]

They banned the group b cars but not the turbocharger from the rallysport. Not sure why you call it the one turbo era (in rally).

 

[ak101]

They banned the group b cars but not the turbocharger from the rallysport. Not sure why you call it the one turbo era (in rally).

The FIA should had done something about crowd control rather than simply banning Group B.

 

[Tornado]

Better crowd control wouldn't have done anything for the cars being the 2000 pound hand grenades that they were. Toivonen didn't die because someone got in the way and he swerved to avoid them. He and his co-driver died because his car crashed and pretty much immediately exploded because of the way it (and by extension most of the Group B field) was designed.

 

[ak101]

Better crowd control wouldn't have done anything for the cars being the 2000 pound hand grenades that they were. Toivonen didn't die because someone got in the way and he swerved to avoid them. He and his co-driver died because his car crashed and pretty much immediately exploded because of the way it (and by extension most of the Group B field) was designed.

combined with the Portugal inccident, Group B's days were numbered.

 

[dr_slump]

The FIA should had done something about crowd control rather than simply banning Group B.

It was the spectators fault. You must be pretty dumb as spectator if you don't see the dangerousness of it.

 

[ak101]

It was the spectators fault. You must be pretty dumb as spectator if you don't see the dangerousness of it.

To be honest it was mostly the fault of the spectators, but the FIA didn't look into it aswell. Just look at how many bodies were standing closely in the centre of the road. Apparently one driver reported that he found a serverd finger in his car. They were playing tag and run with those balastic projectiles. Risking their own life and limb for nothing. The ever increasing numbers in fatalities was getting out of hand. Sadly this lead to FIA banning Group B.
The out of control crowds without safety measures should have been banned!

The spectators heard the danger coming from two miles aways so there's no exuses. Yet they remained in the path.

 

[analog]

Four Reasons Why the 1980's Turbo Era was the Best .

Now I'm curious.

The turbo era in motosport was the one that is etched in every one's mind.

Depends on age more than anything, although it's hard to deny eighties excess in this regard isn't impressive to say the least.

The 1980's timeless era

Here's where it goes wrong, you simply can't use timeless and eighties in the same sentence.

Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost

Moustache and perm proving my aforementioned point.

Conclusion, eighties Turbo-era certainly was exciting but I doubt it's the best period of all time regarding motorsport, although I tend to think it's perhaps the last really exciting period of motorsport as nothing since has captured me as much as those mad Group B monsters for example.

 

[ak101]

I tend to think it's perhaps the last really exciting period of motorsport as nothing since has captured me as much as those mad Group B monsters for example.

Nice picture to highlight the 80's. What's captured you before the eighties turbo-era?

 

[symustafa1996]

And include events! Plus more detailed. Like actual tobbaco sponsors(Marlboro on McLarens) and alcohol sponsors(Martini Racing in Lancias). I don't care if it's for the kids, it's not like they are gonna go out and buy Martinis when they see a Lancia.

 

[Watt2159]

Really, most Group B era cars are in the game, but their not the quality that they deserve to be, but turbo F1 would be plain awesome to have, and there has been plans for a return but in all honesty, I would love more Group C cars.

 

[kieran177]

And include events! Plus more detailed. Like actual tobbaco sponsors(Marlboro on McLarens) and alcohol sponsors(Martini Racing in Lancias). I don't care if it's for the kids, it's not like they are gonna go out and buy Martinis when they see a Lancia.

Most won't know what the sponsors are.

 

[88deathguy]

And include events! Plus more detailed. Like actual tobbaco sponsors(Marlboro on McLarens) and alcohol sponsors(Martini Racing in Lancias). I don't care if it's for the kids, it's not like they are gonna go out and buy Martinis when they see a Lancia.

It just gives more ammo to the Soccer Moms to complain about

 

[ak101]

Really, most Group B era cars are in the game

Can you make a list of all the Group B rally giants featured in Gran Turismo 5?

 

[Vegard]

Can you make a list of all the Group B rally giants featured in Gran Turismo 5?

Search GTplanet + group B and see what happens...

 

[ak101]

The turbo era introduced the world to special times like this. Nothing in motorsport compares with this before or since.
Senna is the only racing driver ever, who had special abilities to drive and control his car at high speed in extreme weather (heavy rain) conditions.

 

[Watt2159]

Can you make a list of all the Group B rally giants featured in Gran Turismo 5?

Lancia S4
Peugeot 205
Renault 5 turbo
Ford RS200
Nissan 240RS
Mitsubishi Starion
Audi Quattro
Audi Pikes Peak Quattro

That's a pretty good list, and that's about all of the "successful" cars in Group B the only ones that are really missing is the Opel Manta, Ford Escort, Ferrari 288, MG Metro, and the Lancia 037, and the rest of the group B cars were either failed cars, Porsches, which because of EA, will never be in GT, or just minor variants.
I love Group B, and Turbo F1, but I don't want to scan through 50+ crap cars that nobody remembers, just to get to the 10 good ones.