The Virtual Track Day Series: Closed

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FastEddie12
Good time with the Quattro, Holden! I didn't know an original Quattro was faster than a Pagani Zonda! :dopey: (times updated)
That Zonda is is a P**** to drive in the wet! No traction! I need to keep it under about 1/3rd throttle all the way, there isn't a single gear it gets traction in, I even tried using high gears (ie. 5th when I should be in 3rd) but even from a standing start, it spins in 6th from about 2 1/2 grand! Should start to shine at Infieon though, and at the nurb it will be a flier!

In other news -

The cobra popped the blower off at 5500RPM at 257mph so my 300mph attempt is officially over, it is on it's way back to Tsukuba with a team of mechanics putting the sealed Track Day 427 back in, and all the suspension and gear back on. It should arrive later today, or tomorrow morning, just in time to put a few laps in.

I must be doing something wrong, as i can't seem to wipe any time off!

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Time post actually updated!!!!!

1'14.850 in the Zonda!

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1'13.667 for Zonda! Thought I could beat that S4!!!!

Like I said, my driving needed tuning, there is more in it, but i gotta go out, I may try again later tonight, and with the other cars!
 
:lol: @ track officials' bulletin....I'm guilty of that one.

I am very tempted to buy a Zonda to run on this track as it is one of my favorite cars. I know that the car understeers a good deal stock which is magnified by the wet track. The fastest way to drive the car should be sideways (at low º) unless you can set the car up to drive better in these conditions. To get the car sideways, turn in hard, and back off the gas to create some minor oversteer. It is difficult to spin out with these two cars in the wet as I was throwing the car into the corners. Get back on the gas lightly and you shouldn't have to steer at all. From a good deal of drifting experience, I know to use trottle control even as the car is sideways. Too much wheel spin will slow the car down as opposed to push it through the turn. Roll back onto the throttle exiting the corner, and you should get a nice, straight launch. This is the strategy I used for most of the turns in the GT, but from my experiences, I am quite sure that the GT can put the power down better than the Zonda.

One of my lap times in the GT that stood for a while actually had a massive feint drift into turn 1. It would have looked great for a FTD replay
 
The only way I can get the Zonda around the last corner with any sort of speed is to use the rear end weight to pull the rear out, the rear wheels aren't exactly spinning, but they have JUST enough traction to push it around, the hardest part is the 2nd gear right, under the overpass (where the chicane is in TT), it's a bastard to get it to lock in and go!

@Ed, Yeah, it was satisfying, a real buzz, just goes to show that slow and steady wins the race. Real light throttle inputs, combined with slow, deliberate steering, and concentrating on where I WANT the car to go, and putting it there, rather than taking it situationally.

What I mean by this is "I'm at point A, lets go to point B to take turn C correctly and end up at D, so I am ready for turn E" rather than "I'm at point A, lets try to take turn C from point A, and try to end up at F, whereas I will probably end up at G, which puts me in the wrong place for turn E, which will put me at H, when i need to be at I for turn J...etc." and it snowballs, and I get angry, and things get thrown!

Did that make sense? It did to me, even when i re-read it!

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There could be a guide in this! Any takers on a co-op effort...Scaff?
 
gOoSeTeR
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1'13.667 for Zonda! Thought I could beat that S4!!!!
sorry but im not gonna stand for that :lol:

S4 1:12.894 :p

now i have a bus to catch :) ill see everyone at Infineon Sportscar Course sometime on tuesday :D
 
gOoSeTeR
There could be a guide in this! Any takers on a co-op effort...Scaff?

Well that sort of made sense!!! I think.

Welcome to wet racing, a high power car on a track with as much standing water as this was always going to be interesting.

Please feel free to blame me for it as well, I was the one who suggested including a 'wet' round in the series.

gOoSeTeR is quite right you do seriously need to plan ahead here, one of the most helpful things I can suggest (well I hope it helps) to that you may need to seriously modify corner entry technqiues here.

Anyone who has a prefered driving style that involves late braking into a corner is going to run into serious problems on a wet track. All it achieves is overworked front tyres and one hell of a lot of terminal understeer.

I strongly suggest trying a very slow entry speed (far slower than seems resonable) and a late apex to the corner. This will do two things, first it reduces the degree of understeer you will face on corner entry and also allow you get the car straighter for apex and exit, allowing you to maximise the exit. Of course RR cars are normally driven in quite a similar style anyway and tend to do well on wet tracks as a result (witness real GT racing Porsche's domination of wet circuits) as do 4wd cars due to the tractions advantages of using all four tyres (not to mention the 4 rather than two way distribution of the torque).

Regards

Scaff
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
sorry but im not gonna stand for that :lol:

S4 1:12.894 :p

Damn! Will have to go again!

Holdenhsvgtsr
now i have a bus to catch :) ill see everyone at Infineon Sportscar Course sometime on tuesday :D

It would be a hard ask to catch a bus with that S4!
 
Whell,i was working on a drift video yesterday,i know this is OT but please take a look,i'm not that good but hey,everyone was beginner once!

Click Here
 
A112, that is pretty freckling awesome!
 
Scaff
Also on track for my plan to have full race suspension as my final upgrade for the GTR when we get to the 'ring, if any track is set-up sensitive its that one. Still I know I'm going to get hammered by Dave when it comes around, he's spent just tooooooo much time on that track.

Regards

Scaff

Well I can assure you I will be pushing hard on the Nurb thats for sure:tup: But I wouldnt discount the fact that all of my cars top out at about 140mph ish which could cause problems at 2 points on the track for me....

I am using the red 5 as a test mule now and plan to unleash a brand new 5 in Blue at Infineon raceway, planned is the final stage 3 weight reduction which in testing at a secret location proved to be faster than fitting a stage 2 turbocharger!!

The turbo might get some action at the Nurb where some higher speeds are going to be needed.

Unfortunatly though I will not have much time for my favourite circuit, I get married on the 17th and when the Nurb opens on the 18th I will be ultra busy preparing to leave for my honeymoon on the 20th..

I have planned two late night sessions on the sunday and monday for 5 laps in each car (approx 2 hrs each session at the Nurb), first session is to tune and get used to the circuit again, 2nd session is to set my final times. Good news is I can run pretty hard there from the off so 5 laps should be enough to put something decent enough down!

@Fasteddie, times in my timepost are final for Tsukuba wet mate, pleased to get the 5t under 1'15.000 in the end, snapping at the heels of Scaff's skyline, quite an achievement!

regards

David
 
Whell,added my latest times to my time post(couldn't get better beacuse my nerves :D),anyway posted picture of my times,and finally i have buyed myself rims for RX7 from DeLorean,it kinda looks cool in some sort of way,it will be awesome when fully lowered and with high camber setup,so chk it out!

 
Jaguar S-Type R '02 - 1'14.490
I hope that that is the best time for it's class.

xjr-9
 
xjr-9
Jaguar S-Type R '02 - 1'14.490
I hope that that is the best time for it's class.

xjr-9

You're doing well: you're second in class 👍 . What's more, you're second in class to l2ev, and he's very quick round here, so that's no disgrace. The S4 is in the same SubDivision, but with his 4WD you'll struggle to get close.

l2ev is in a car with very similar performance to your Jag, so you can see (roughly) what is possible, but I can't match his times, so don't be too disappointed if you can't.
 
Sorry for OT but Ed,i need you on msn,can you sign in!
 
What is l2ev's car? And can we tune with the settings we have available, or is it just stock settings?

xjr-9

P.S. - I'll have a crack at 1'12.894. It might be possible????
 
Check out Mini Leader Board in Eddie's signature,you'l see there.Also you can edit your settings as you wish!
 
Thanks. I might be able to crack it then, as I was having doubts, as I was pushing hard for 1'14.490. Also, FastEddie12 PM'd me, and wondered whether I wanted to move my Jaguar into the Millionaire's Division. I will consider this until someone can tell me the times for similar car in class.

xjr-9
 
xjr-9
In my Skyline I managed a 1'15.454. Is that the quickest yet?

xjr-9

Sorry but nope.

I posted a 1.14:311 last night, the cars capable of quicker times than that. Just don't know if I will have the time to try and push it down any further (or if I can), but set-up does make a difference on the wet track and the extra 'toys' I got with semi-racing certainly helped.


Regards

Scaff
 
Final times for my 3 cars are in my timepost
 
OK FastEddie12. I will join the Millionaire's Division, and I WILL beat the BMW M5. Pure British muscle against fancy German electronics should win. The new M5 is basically electrics and nothing else. And the Satnav woman, that Top Gear episode was great.

xjr-9
 
xjr-9
OK FastEddie12. I will join the Millionaire's Division, and I WILL beat the BMW M5. Pure British muscle against fancy German electronics should win. The new M5 is basically electrics and nothing else. And the Satnav woman, that Top Gear episode was great.

xjr-9

I think that you will find most BMW's wearing the "M" badge are a little bit deeper than just electrics.....M5 included.

regards

David
 
xjr-9
What times has the M5 been getting though.

From the leaderboard on the first post

Holdenhsvgtsr, BMW M5 '05: 1'12.172"

Damn fine time Holdenhsvgtsr set as well.

Go for it, you have 14 hours and 11 minutes (and counting)

Regards

Scaff
 
Whell,that M5 is not pure electronics,i know beacuse it's gonna eat my nsx on the 'ring,it has power,believe me ;)
 
And one more thing,sorry for double post,but I'M CELEBRATING MY 200 POSTS SO DRINKS ARE ON ME ;):D
But be careful what are you drinking,you're driving,remember?
 
Hi all,

I got to thinking, just about the only thing missing from this thread is some descriptive content from drivers describing how their cars are behaving for given tracks and how their modifications were chosen and how effective they have been. I wrote a small lap description of Suzuka but didn’t have time to do one for Laguna Seca, thought you might be interested in my 3 cars in the wet though..

Starting with the Alfa it was immediately obvious that getting power down was a big issue, on my first exploratory laps in Laguna trim the wheels just kept spinning and spinning. Lap times were down in the 1’26s region and the handling was, nervous to say the least. The Alfa is a fly weight as standard and with just 155bhp it motors along nicely enough, my decision to fit a 1 way lsd to work on the car when accelerating was I think the right thing to do, with more power it will work in the dry also where the Alfa has already showed potential to spin a single wheel exiting tight 2nd gear corners. Best way to attack the wet Tsukuba circuit was with a gentle approach, remembering this is an old car and doesn’t brake aswell as modern machinery, approaching the first right hander brake very early using engine braking down into 2nd and turn in, the cars beautifull balance is just as evident in the wet, when the exit is in sight apply power gently in all gears, approaching the next left hairpin again early braking and turn in 2nd gear, the exit of this corner is difficult, too much power too soon is deadly. A short burst into 3rd and hold that gear for the tricky right under the bridge, taken with a bit of kerb and a whiff of oversteer on the exit as the car trys to get away, full power down to the final right hand hairpin. Same again brake early and turn in, apply gentle throttle until in 3rd gear when traction is good, then full power hitting approx 95mph before braking into 3rd for the final long right which seems to take forever, if your brave enough some power early will see you hit the rumbles on the left with quite a showcase sideways angle, its not quick though and being patient will result in a quicker exit. As usual when settled into a flowing rythym the Alfa is great, not the fastest but with just 155bhp it holds its own.

I chose to give the Clio more power in the form of a stage 1 NA tune, taking it to 203bhp, weight reduc didn’t remove much and the car genuinely felt like it needed more power, even on a wet track with FF? Scaffs advice to use a slow entry speed is critical here with understeer being the order of the day, although I must mention the Clio has excellent brakes, outbraking the 5 and the Alfa by a good car length everywhere. Once the apex is cleared the power can be applied quite soon, it is tricky at high rpm with a tendancy to spin the wheels in 2nd, I found changing up at about 5000rpm in 2nd helped here.

Down to the left hairpin and again brake late and turn in, no throttle, feel the back end sliding, apply throttle – torque steer, too soon ease off, back on again and into 3rd. Picking the right spot to apply throttle in the Clio is difficult, some understeer is inevitable but you can drive it quite hard like this…Quick dab of the brakes and turn in for the right hander under the bridge, hit the rumbles on the exit and immediately get the car left again for the sweeping left hander, a quick lift might be needed mid corner depending on how good the previous corner went! Brake late again and turn in, traction issues again in 2nd but once in 3rd hold it flat out to the redline, into 4th 100mph easy as the brake marker flashes, braking stupidly late for the long right would get me either killed or at the least in the Armco in real life but im happy to take advantage of the gt4 physics here! Steady throttle until the exit is in sight, over the rumbles and cross the line for a 1’16.500 two seconds quicker than the Alfa.

The Turbo 5 has so far been my favourite car, it has immense traction in the dry, allowing the driver to apply power very early and coupled with its lift off oversteer character cornering is a lot of fun. At Tsukuba wet I decided that more power would be welcome but would certainly induce problems with wet tarmac, so I opted for a stage 2 weight reduction taking overall weight reduction down to 911kgs from 970!!

The driving style I ended up with was to set the car soft on its dampers and raise the ride height a little, traction to the rear wheels improved greatly exiting corners. Like both of the other cars it was 2nd gear that caused the problems and a carefull throttle was required. I started out too heavy hitting the rev limiter before changing into 3rd but ended up just using about half to three quarter throttle in 2nd and found I was much quicker, gaining on all of the three hairpins. The tricky right under the bridge was preferable with the car forced into a bit of understeer as oversteer slowed the exit and made it hard to get it turned left for the fast left sweeper down to the last hairpin. The final bend was taken quite quick power on maybe a bit too early with a bit of angle onto the exit rumbles and over the line for a 1’14.7 lap which I didn’t think was possible a few days ago!!

Hope that was an interesting addition to the thread, I will endeavour to get replays up tonight of all three clean laps

Regards

David
 
Great write up dave! I would do a similar thing, but when it comes to writing it, I'm just not that great at remembering the little things.
 
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