The Virtual Track Day Series: Closed

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I may be forced to let B** drive!
 
FastEddie12
So Holden, I reckon the key to this track is the S bends near the beginning. I'm sure if you get the line right you can hold a lot of speed through there... What do you think?
yeah you can take most of that near enough flat out, a couple of little lifts here and there to move the weight around.i would also say that if you get the car lined up and braked at the right point you can drift round the first couple of corners.also try and stay in 3rd gear all the way round the track and only use 2nd at the hairpin curve,you can make up alot of time without having to change gear,it might seem and feel slow but it works:tup:
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
yeah you can take most of that near enough flat out, a couple of little lifts here and there to move the weight around.

You see? I have to brake for nearly every one of those suckers, and (aside from my "lucky" quick lap) it costs me, what, 2.5 secs a lap?

I got some work to do...
 
well like i was saying too gOoSeTeR on msn there,at suzuka you should never use the brakes unless its an extremely tight and slow corner,just get the car lined up and lift off a bit to help shift the weight and the car does the rest
 
FastEddie12
See? That's more like it... If I was any good at this track I'd be able to compete with that... But then, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle...

So Holden, I reckon the key to this track is the S bends near the beginning. I'm sure if you get the line right you can hold a lot of speed through there... What do you think?

I'm planning on posting a video on that.
And my 111R is Bordeux(sp?) Red Metallic
 
Uuuuh Holden, Wings aren't allowed on the Elises.

FastEddie12
See? Now we know he's cheating! Wings aren't part of the spec! I knew those colours would tell a story!

Now I realise that Ed said that in fun, but it raises a point. Wings are considered a mod by most of us here, and so aren't allowed In mine and Abarth's opinion.

Ed?
 

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Wings are most definitely banned for this trial, and they are definitely a performance enhancing mod!

Now we have the problem of the M5. Having trawled through the previous posts, I realise that you never listed it as a mod, as I thought you had. So I'm going to have to scratch the times for Infineon and the Nurb.

You never tried to hide the wing, so I think it was a genuine mistake, but notice that the minute you put the wing on you were quicker than the Ruf, so that shows you what they're worth...

Points on hold, subject to a stewards enquiry.
 
I had some time to sit down with this last night and I could not put together a clean lap to save my life.

It was a total and utter nightmare, nothing I tried worked at all, set some damn good sector times, but on everyone I lost it at some point on the track.

Please tell me you all have days like this, so damn frustrating it wasn't funny.

Fingers crossed for tonight (both to have the time and to set a decent, clean lap).

Regards

Scaff
 
Drop the ride height all the way, and then slowly bring the spring rate down until it suits you, and leave the rest of the settings as they are
 
Very,Very nice avatar and user title you've got there Goose!
Did you hear that Jordan?:D:D:D
 
Really, Goose! Grandmother, sucking eggs, etc... And Scaff, yes, I have days like that too. Then I have flashes of brilliance and it all comes good :p, or not...

Re Holdenhsvgtsr

Ok, following a stewards enquiry we are satisfied with Holdenhsvgtsr's explanation into the 'Ring wing thing. His times for Infineon and the 'Ring in the M5 have been scratched, but, as we didn't spot his error at the time, he has been given the chance to set new times with the proper spec.

With the Elise, he has stated that he was actually running with zero downforce. We have said that if he can produce video proof of a lap with no wing that is within 0.5 secs of his original lap, it can stand. The reasoning behind this is that the wings are worth at least a second lap, so if he can get that close, then the times were almost certainly as he said. I already know that those times are possible on that circuit.

I hope everyone considers this a satisfactory conclusion, but if you are still not satisfied, then please PM me with any complaints. Thankyou.
 
I am currently recieving the video of his lap, within 0.2sec of his 'winged' lap.

-edit-
Scratch that, I have recieved the file, watching now

-edit again-
Time confirmed at 2'13.752

It passes! The time stands
 
well did the video with the ghost car running and it was .2 slower than it with the wing,ive sent the video to gooster and hes seen it and also sending it to a112 just now :)
 
gOoSeTeR
Drop the ride height all the way, and then slowly bring the spring rate down until it suits you, and leave the rest of the settings as they are

LOL

I did have a guide on how to set-up cars around here, must have misplaced it.

I actualy find that the Elise benifits from a slightly higher rear ride height, which helps push the COG towards the front a little (helps load up the fronts a little more) and a touch more front camber.

On the spring rate side of things I prefer the Elise a little stiffer in the spring rate, but that may be personal.

As FastEddie12 said it was just one of those days and I needed to vent a little. All done now and ready for a fresh start tonight. It would however be nice if the marshalls checked the tyre walls, just in case.

:)


Scaff
 
Tyrewalls checked and re-enforced. Go ahead Scaff.

I was simply stating what seems to have worked for both Holden and I in terms of suspension setup, although i will try your higher rear end idea, although it is the rear I need to try to tame, so I might bring the front up slightly...

Bah, not now though, I have just spent all my energy for one night trying to get my AR MAX to recognise my USB Drive. GAAAAAAH :banghead:

night all
 
gOoSeTeR
Tyrewalls checked and re-enforced. Go ahead Scaff.

I was simply stating what seems to have worked for both Holden and I in terms of suspension setup, although i will try your higher rear end idea, although it is the rear I need to try to tame, so I might bring the front up slightly...

Bah, not now though, I have just spent all my energy for one night trying to get my AR MAX to recognise my USB Drive. GAAAAAAH :banghead:

night all

Thanks for that, given my recent performance I might need them. I bloody hate this track, flipping stupid slow chicane, grrrrrrrrrrr.

Don't worry about the settings bit, I'm only messing about. After all one of the things I go on about in the guide is that no one set-up will work for every driver. So what works for me, may very well not work for you.

In regard to taming the rear on the Lotus, given the limted range of settings the semi-raceing suspension gives us its tricky to do without ruining the car.

Its desire to swap ends on the limit is a characteristic of the real thing, mid-engined layout and a short wheelbase are to blame for that. What you gain in manouverability and response comes back to bite you on the limit.

I swear the number of Elise's I've seen with the rear clam-shell destroyed is huge, its the first thing anyone looking to buy one should check. They are a great handling car, but notoriously tricky right on the limit.

Regards

Scaff
 
Weird how different driving styles work, isn't it? I've never got close to spinning the Elise (at least not until I get it into the gravel trap) and find it wonderfully adjustable on the limit. But I like a car where the rear end moves around a bit...

A tip, useful on any mid- or rear-engined car - they're usually more stable and planted ON the throttle than off it. If the back end starts to go when off the throttle, half throttle should balance it (although full throttle may be too much, especially for a mid-engined car).

Ooh! Look! Post 800! Wow :eek:
 
UPDATE: 2'13.357

I haven't exactly tamed the rear. I just let it go. I ran a 2'13.5xx with a full, dual apex drift on the first 2 turns.

Getting the turn of the S turns with speed up the hill is one of the major sections of the track that affect your time. Also, the best shift point is one notch after the redline. Before figuring that out, I should have expected such a purpose built car to have an accurate redline.
 
Damn people, what am I doing WRONG????? I can't get it anywhere NEAR your times!
 
hmmmm, is that Nitrous Oxide vapours I smell from thae fast cars?

Quick, check their tyres for tread patterns!
 
Guys you are not alone.

I've even checked and rechecked the spec of my car to make sure I haven't missed anything.

Set a couple of laps quick than my current time, but none that are 100% clean.

:ouch:

Scaff
 
I have finally updated my timepost,go check it out!
 
Ok, well it's easy to be nice and smug near the top of the page, but I have to say that I find this course very hard: it's easy to end up in the sand traps, and the line isn't terribly obvious.

Now, here's a tip: take that Lotus, and put some N3 or N2 tyres on it. Do some laps (say, 5-8), trying to adjust to the longer braking distances required for the less grippy rubber.

Once you feel you're beginning to get to grips with it, change the tyres BACK to S1s, and IMMEDIATELY do some more laps, trying to use the braking points you have just learned with the other tyres. This worked for me round the 'Ring, should work here.

Now, the Esses: it is VITAL to keep tight to the apexes through the esses. Running wide at all is no good, because you just have to turn tighter and slower for the next bend, and you end up losing masses of time through that section.

Finally, the most important bends on any circuit are the ones before the long straights (especially the medium speed ones) because the speed you take onto the straight will benefit you for the whole length of it. So the Spoon bend and the 130R are very important. Slow in, fast out.

I hope that helps.
 
oooooor, I just put slicks on it, and go from there... :dunce: :banghead:

or not...
 
I've gone below the 1'20's... My time is: 1'19.516,, Don't laugh:),, Terribly enough,, I know were my mistakes are,, but I seem to screw up at the end almost always,, Oh well.. I'll have another go,,, and another one.....
 
De@tthwi§ho0
I've gone below the 1'20's... My time is: 1'19.516,, Don't laugh:),, Terribly enough,, I know were my mistakes are,, but I seem to screw up at the end almost always,, Oh well.. I'll have another go,,, and another one.....
wrong track :lol:
 

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