The war on legalisation of Marijuana

[boombexus]

Originally posted by Pako
I just wanted to share this last little tid bit before I go. I did not conduct the research so I can't validate the source, but here it is anyways:

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm

Yeah, I heard about that Pako. And I must say that it's the biggest bunch of horse **** that I have ever heard. Now let's take for instance all the deaths that have been caused by those other methods. For instance tobacco. A percentage of those cigarette smokers that died have smoked marijuana on a regular basis as well, so marijuana was a contributing factor to there lung cancer deaths and just not the predominate one. Like it says at the bottom of the web page marijuana hasn't been the sole and only contrubuting factor to an "overdose" but that doesnt' mean that it didn't play a role in many deaths. I think statistics like that one are strongly biased and are used only to fuel the legalization effort. Those statistics are not accurate in my opinion. And why is "overdose" mentioned about marijuana when the other statistics included are homicide and suicide? How do you overdose on those?

 

[dredknot_420]

The day it is legal i will stop smoking cigarettes. The reason why i smoke cigarettes is they keep me calm(and thats a good thing).

 

[boombexus]

Originally posted by dredknot_420


Like cops are going to go around and look for people who are stoned. Some will but some dont give a ****. I can prove that today at the gas station i was inside wating to pay for gas and this cop comes in he got a drink and them got behind me. Then i know he smell's it on me. then he ask me are you high? I sed no im buzzed. He gave me a evil look i payed for my gas then left.

But you didn't really touch on the question that I asked you? Anyway, of course cops will look for people who are stoned. If it becomes legal and then the government can impose stiff fines for breaking the law regarding it, you bet your ass they will be looking for you. More money for the county and state coffers.

 

[boombexus]

Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bob Marley die of lung cancer? He didn't smoke a cigarette in his life from what I heard.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by boombexus
Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bob Marley die of lung cancer? He didn't smoke a cigarette in his life from what I heard.

Yeah - as I mentioned above, there's evidence coming out now that marijuana is actually WORSE for throat and mouth cancers - you just have to look at the number of rock stars dying in their fifties of lung and throat cancers.

I really think that if it's easy for people to get legal pot, you'll see a sharp reduction in people growing it - simply because it's going to be easier for people to buy than to cultivate it and prepare it for smoking (or however you take it).

I doubt you'll see more trouble associated with pot - my concern is people driving when stoned, but if authorities actually got off their arse and actually did something about drink driving, and the laws for pot-driving were in line with those, then I don't think the problem would be much worse than it probably is now.

 

[boombexus]

Originally posted by vat_man

I doubt you'll see more trouble associated with pot - my concern is people driving when stoned, but if authorities actually got off their arse and actually did something about drink driving, and the laws for pot-driving were in line with those, then I don't think the problem would be much worse than it probably is now.

I certainly think that you would see an increase with the trouble associated with pot. As it became more easily and readily available, the amount that one could smoke is now increased. And it's increased now for the average recreational user that might not smoke pot as much because of it's effort involved in attaining it. It's not hard to get pot in the US but it ain't as easy as running down to the corner market and picking some up either. So if it was made available and attainable with greater ease, then I think that there would certainly be an increase in pot related incidents. I think it's hard to determine now what incidents are related to pot as it's usually consumed with another substace. But not always, and that's why I think that it doesn't seem to be such an issue because there are other greater substances involved. If the prosecuting attorney was to decide what to charge a driver that was pulled over that had both alcohol and marijuana in his/her system, what is gonna be played on will be the biggest cash generator. That will more than likely be the alcohol charge and because it's the predominant intoxicant. But that all might change if it's legalized due to the fact that marijuana will now be in the spotlight. It will be payed greater attention to and will be more involved in statistical deaths and marijuana will now be shown with greater improtance as a contributing factor to the incident than it is now. It's not a cash generator now as opposed to alcohol related infractions.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by boombexus
Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bob Marley die of lung cancer? He didn't smoke a cigarette in his life from what I heard.

I believe it was a cocane over dose.....

Oh I totally agree that there has to have been some deaths in the US contributed from marijuana use, however, there hasn't been any over-doses of marijuana users either. That was just the first link I found on the net with any kind of stats. Goto google and lookup:

marijuana death statistics

and see what you get....., I'm curious how it compares against some of our "Legal" drugs that we have in the US.

~Peace~

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by boombexus


How so?
Do you have any evidence to back this statement up?

If anything, it would cause the cops more problelms if it were to become legalized. If marijuana was to be treated like alcohol is, then it would certainly keep the cops even more busy and fill the jails even more.

List of popular activities while high on pot

listen to music
eat
play video games
watch the Simpsons
go see a movie
garden
go for a hike
read a book
relax in a hammock
have sex
play an instrument
draw
write a poem...

I'm not seeing the danger to society here .


List of popular things to do while high on alcohol

vomit
fight
pee
yell
cry
call your ex girlfriend
sleep on the floor in the toilet
be too loud
annoy those around you
become an alcoholic
beat your family

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by boombexus


If marijuana was to be treated like alcohol, which it probably would be then you would have all the same issues associated with drinking. Public intoxication, driving under the influence so on and so forth. These infractions take up considerable amounts of time for the police department in just the cases of alcohol not to mention that now marijuana would be thrown into that mix as well. The infractions that were mentioned above are all served with a short stint in jail and not to mention that DUI infractions and deaths involved with driving under the influence all involve longer and longer jail sentences.

There would not be more people driving while high. The fact that pot is criminalized does not stop people from using it and I don't think that many more would if it was lagal.

Want proof? Sorry. I'm not a public policy scientist. We'll back up our statements with proof when you do.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by boombexus


Honestly I don't see what I would gain by going there and listening to them. It's such a biased place. Why don't I go to the crack smoking chat room and listen to those people preach about the benifits of smoking crack?

What?! Crack? People who are attuned to pot would be so unhappy on crack. I've never even seen crack in real life but I see the tweaker hookers twitching down the street with their scabs and bones. Makes a pot head's heart heavy

 

[milefile]

The rules are very simple, like any other drug your performance will be impaired...

It depends on what you want to do.

most stoners are too friggin lazy to shift themselves to do anything.

Everybody says this. It is not my experience nor what I have observed.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by boombexus

Don't forget about the driver that is doing highway speeds and trying to light his/her bowl while at the wheel.

Or dialing the phone, putting on makeup, eating, reaching in the back seat...

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by boombexus


I certainly think that you would see an increase with the trouble associated with pot. As it became more easily and readily available, the amount that one could smoke is now increased. And it's increased now for the average recreational user that might not smoke pot as much because of it's effort involved in attaining it. It's not hard to get pot in the US but it ain't as easy as running down to the corner market and picking some up either. So if it was made available and attainable with greater ease, then I think that there would certainly be an increase in pot related incidents. I think it's hard to determine now what incidents are related to pot as it's usually consumed with another substace. But not always, and that's why I think that it doesn't seem to be such an issue because there are other greater substances involved. If the prosecuting attorney was to decide what to charge a driver that was pulled over that had both alcohol and marijuana in his/her system, what is gonna be played on will be the biggest cash generator. That will more than likely be the alcohol charge and because it's the predominant intoxicant. But that all might change if it's legalized due to the fact that marijuana will now be in the spotlight. It will be payed greater attention to and will be more involved in statistical deaths and marijuana will now be shown with greater improtance as a contributing factor to the incident than it is now. It's not a cash generator now as opposed to alcohol related infractions.

Are you a cop or something? Christian Coalition? What's your deal? Why are you so adamantly opposed to people doing what they enjoy? You ask people for proof and don't provide any yourself. You make wild assumptions about the character and future of pot smokers. You make it analogous to alcohol and crack. You depict an apocolypse brought about by pot. I think it's wierd how much thought and effort you devote to this thread.

Pot is not going away whether it's ever decriminalized ot not. If you want to use it, use it. If you don't want to use it, don't. But please, it is so offensive when people try to shove their morals down others' throats, so stop.

I can't even believe this thread got going. We just had this a couple weeks ago and it, too, went nowhere.

I think I'll go start a thread about Big Macs and nachos. They kill! It must stop!

 

[slip2rock]

Calm down mileflie... go skin up and have a toke.

 

[Magic069]

Legalize, and tax the hell out of it!

 

[made in holland]

I really like these threads and discussions about whether it should be legalized or not.
I can think of arguments for both sides, but i've seen how people reacted after it got legalized in Holland.

No bad things occured. The quality improved, because the government came up with some pretty strict quality control rules. And the fact that it isn't illegal anymore takes the thrill away for some people. And it's now a legal medicin for people with lots of pain.

So i can recommend legalization.

 

[boombexus]

Originally posted by milefile


Are you a cop or something? Christian Coalition? What's your deal? Why are you so adamantly opposed to people doing what they enjoy? You ask people for proof and don't provide any yourself. You make wild assumptions about the character and future of pot smokers. You make it analogous to alcohol and crack. You depict an apocolypse brought about by pot. I think it's wierd how much thought and effort you devote to this thread.

Pot is not going away whether it's ever decriminalized ot not. If you want to use it, use it. If you don't want to use it, don't. But please, it is so offensive when people try to shove their morals down others' throats, so stop.

I can't even believe this thread got going. We just had this a couple weeks ago and it, too, went nowhere.

I think I'll go start a thread about Big Macs and nachos. They kill! It must stop!

Milefile, calm down man. I'm not opposed to pot and if it's legalized I couldn't care less. But what I'm trying to get at here is that the people that are for the legalization sometimes tend to make pot out to be something that is so innocent. And that wouldn't be the case at all in my opinion. I do beleive that there would be some negative effects on society by legalizing it and I think that they really get overlooked by those who are so for it's legalization.

 

[boombexus]

Originally posted by milefile


There would not be more people driving while high. The fact that pot is criminalized does not stop people from using it and I don't think that many more would if it was lagal.

Want proof? Sorry. I'm not a public policy scientist. We'll back up our statements with proof when you do.

You might have missed what my post that you quoted was about. It was about the extra policing needed to help control marijuana and not if there was to be an increase in people high behind the wheel. And if you think that there wouldn't be an increase in people that were high behind the wheel if pot became legalized you might need to take a longer look at it. If it's more readily available and say for instance that there are places that you can go such as a bar or something and attain it then it would be hard not to say that there wouldn't be a increase of people high behind the wheel.

As for the facts, I can't give you any facts because pot isn't legal so we have to speculate as to what possible outcomes might be if it is legalized.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by boombexus
Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bob Marley die of lung cancer? He didn't smoke a cigarette in his life from what I heard.

He died because he played soccer too much.

He got a cut on his foot, and it got infected because he played soccer barefoot in Jamaica. So the infection spread and he later developed cancer.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by milefile


List of popular activities while high on pot


watch the Simpsons

Got something against the Simpsons!?!

have sex

High sex!! And are you telling me you couldn't have sex between throwing up when you're high on alcohol?

List of popular things to do while high on alcohol

fight
pee
yell

Can I only pee when I'm high on alcohol? Eek!

call your ex girlfriend

- So true.

sleep on the floor in the toilet

As opposed to on the ceiling in the toilet?

be too loud
annoy those around you

Are all young babies high on liquor? I knew I was right for not liking kids.

become an alcoholic

I try not to make important life decisions while drunk. If I want to become an alcoholic, I'll leave that call up to sober me!

beat your family [/B]

[Insert Honda comment here...]

 

[SySteM_oF_A_dOwN]

Wow what a conflict
I love this site

 

[Cobraboy]

It's very special, I love it too

 

[Robin2]

if pol pot was an alcoholic his name would be piss pot.

if he was cremated hed be a ****in hot pot

 

[Cobraboy]

"NO WAY ITS BAD FOR YOU AND I AM ALSO A LOSER FOR CHOSING THIS OPTION!!!!!"

Im a loser. :thumbsup:

 

[Robin2]

lets play spot the looney...*BUZZ* youre out.