The Winter Testing thread

Times @ 13:09 GMT

1 Alonso Ferrari 1m11.470s
2 de la Rosa Sauber 1m12.094s +0.624
3 Schumacher Mercedes 1m12.438s +0.968
4 Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1m12.576s +1.106
5 Button McLaren 1m12.951s +1.481
6 Hulkenberg Williams 1m13.669s +2.199
7 Petrov Renault 1m13.902s +2.432

Ferrari had a simplified steering wheel for Alonso's first run. Here's a pic of it.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6784/alonsowheel.jpg
 
Valencia's times today (so far)

Alonso 1m11.599
P. de la Rosa 1m12.094
Schumacher 1m12.438
Alguersuari 1m12.576
Button 1m13.498
Hulkenberg 1m13.959
Petrov 1m14.009


So, Alonso continues the Ferrari dominance, improving Massa's previous best lap by a litle over one tenth. Pedro de la Rosa almost equals Kobayashi's time and confirms Sauber has a good car. Schumacher looking good, Alguersuari doing ABSOLUTELY GREAT (biggest surprise, at least for me).

Button, Hulkenberg and Petrov doing nothing special, but we don't know their check list.

You're still reading too much into it Hun, Alguesuari's time may be pathetic.

Read the driver and team comments, not the times. Trust me, they reveal far more than fastest laps do.
 
One of Alonso's stints

* 1:12.600
* 1:12.302
* 1:12.133
* 1:11.985
* 1:12.122
* 1:12.133
* 1:12.240
* 1:12.00
* 1:11.669
* 1:13.205
* 1:11.625
 
Best times form the 3 day test at Valencia (You can tell I'm bored... by the color coding :lol:)

F. Alonso (Ferrari) 1:11.470
F. Massa (Ferrari) 1:11.722

K. Kobayashi (BMW Sauber) 1:12.056
P. De la Rosa (BMW Sauber) 1:12.094
L. Hamilton (McLaren) 1:12.256
R. Kubica (Renault) 1:12.426
M. Schumacher (Mercedes GP)1:12.438
J. Alguersuari(Toro Rosso) 1:12.576
N. Rosberg (GP Mercedes)1:12.899
J. Button (McLaren) 1:12.951
V. Petrov (Renault) 1:13.097
R. Barrichello(Williams) 1:13.377
N. Hulkenberg (Williams) 1:13.669

S. Buemi (Toro Rosso) 1:13.823
G. Paffett (McLaren) 1:13.846




Interview with Alonso (Source: Autosport)

Fernando Alonso says he is staying very cautious about Ferrari's form despite the Italian squad dominating the first test of the year at Valencia this week.

The two-time champion joined the test today, taking over team-mate Felipe Massa at the wheel of the F10 car, after the Brazilian had topped the times on the previous two days.

Alonso was quick to find the pace with the car and ended up setting the fastest time of the week.

But despite Ferrari being quickest of all teams during the week, the Spaniard says it's still too early to judge the car's performance.

"No, I don't think so," said Alonso when asked by AUTOSPORT if Ferrari was clear favourite after the test.

"It's just the first day and as I said now at least for me the priority was getting completely comfortable. There are many things to discover for me, many things to learn.

"I think maybe if we topped the times the three days is related to fuel load or whatever, or maybe because it's true we are competitive. But before being competitive we need to make sure we do a lot of laps and that the car is strong and can finish all the grands prix. We are at that period of winter testing.

"We need to make the car very, very strong and until Barcelona or the last test at Jerez I think we will not look for the performance."

He added: "The first impression is always good. It was very good last year, and I was not in Q3 very often. For that I'm very, very cautious.

"It was a good first day, but also because I found the car very easy to drive because Felipe was running for two days and I've been taking this information from him which was a help."

The two-time champion, joining the historic Maranello squad from Renault, admitted it was an emotional day for him, as the Spaniard tested in front of nearly 40,000 fans.

"It was okay. It was an important day for me, first time in a Ferrari," he said. "A very emotional day this morning and also last night. I think I maximised the day in terms of laps and time on the track and I feel good.

"The car I have many things to adjust to, the seat, the pedals, the steering wheel, the helmet, which is a new brand for me. I never run with Brembo brakes, so that was a first for me as well. Many things to adapt, many things to check, but I had a good base in the car thanks to Felipe's job during the first two days.

"I think it was a really, really big help for me because I didn't lose time with the set-up or the car. I just concentrated in my comfort in the car because Felipe's set-up was good enough to keep running in the morning."

And Alonso insisted he is already feeling at home at Ferrari, saying he is enjoying the special atmosphere at the team.

"Yeah, I had time from day one at Ferrari. As I repeat many times, it's unbelievable the feeling here, the atmosphere, the passion of everybody. It's very nice to be in the garage, to speak Italian with all the mechanics.

"We have a kind of sense of humour very similar to Spain so I felt very, very good so far. I keep enjoying life."
 
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People who are saying Sauber have a good car. Sauber have no sponsors. They may be running low fuel, to make sponsors believe they have performance which will give them more budget. That car setting 2nd place times in the first test of the season FAR FROM confirms the car is good. Same goes for Ferrari, and perhaps every car.
 
Indeed, though its becoming a reptitive statement now - thats what everyone said about Brawn last year ;)

Clearly, the car is at least well balanced for both drivers to set similar times and close to the pace of the Ferrari. The comments from other drivers and teams indicates they feel its a good car, and they have a better picture than we do of all the stints and estimated fuel runs.

All I'll say is that it has some good signs for it, but its difficult to judge it compared to say Williams who haven't done a light-full pelt run yet.
 
I'm impressed with Petrov's pace. Quickest absolute rookie (Alguersuari and Kobayashi could be considered rookies, too, but they've had a handful of race starts), half a second behind the World Champion and faster than Robert Kubica on his first day in the car.

Of course, it's all relative; it remains to be seen what kind of testing programme each driver and team ran, but all the same ...
 
Heh. It's like that video of Massa passing Schumacher on the first day. Everyone cheered, but it was plainly obvious that Schumacher let him through.
 
Heh. It's like that video of Massa passing Schumacher on the first day. Everyone cheered, but it was plainly obvious that Schumacher let him through.

How? Button was pushing for the entire lap and never let up.

But of course that footage doesn't mean anything anyway, as Button was likely fueled heavier at the time. It's just entertaining to watch, that's all.

I'm impressed with Petrov's pace. Quickest absolute rookie (Alguersuari and Kobayashi could be considered rookies, too, but they've had a handful of race starts), half a second behind the World Champion and faster than Robert Kubica on his first day in the car.

Of course, it's all relative; it remains to be seen what kind of testing programme each driver and team ran, but all the same ...

Petrov was roughly .7 slower than Kubica's best lap during the test (not that means a whole lot).

And lets not forget, Kubica did all of the baseline work on the first two days to get the balance right, before handing it over to Petrov.
 
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Good find on the Alonso vs Button vid... I was following the commentary on that and was looking forward to seeing the action. Nothing like a little pre-season gamesmanship... lol.

Yeah, no need to read too much into these times... if anything, wait till the Jerez test... and yeah, Sauber needs the exposure... too soon to call them this year's "Brawn"...
 
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Petrov was roughly .7 slower than Kubica's best lap during the test (not that means a whole lot).

And lets not forget, Kubica did all of the baseline work on the first two days to get the balance right, before handing it over to Petrov.
I meant that Petrov was faster than Kubica on Kubica's first day. That said, I suspect it was very deliberate to get attention from potential sponsors in Russia. Although from what I've heard, Russian companies used to sponsor football teams because Vladimir Putin told them to, so someone could be made to sponsor Renault ...
 
I meant that Petrov was faster than Kubica on Kubica's first day. That said, I suspect it was very deliberate to get attention from potential sponsors in Russia. Although from what I've heard, Russian companies used to sponsor football teams because Vladimir Putin told them to, so someone could be made to sponsor Renault ...

Like I said, that's because Kubica was the one who had the duty of getting the R30 sorted on its maiden voyage, making your statement rather jaded and moot, on top of the fact that we have no clue what their fuel levels were on their first days of testing respectively (which you mentioned).

Kubica said the car had a lot of understeer on the first day, which they seemed to had sorted out well enough by the 2nd day of Kubica's test. This general knowledge attained in order to get the balance correct on the new car was then, most likely passed on to Petrov so he could at least put in some decent laps.

But regardless, Petrov still did a solid, error free job. To be impressed with his pace so early on is a bit of an early reaction though.
 
The clouds are crying over Jerez today:





EDIT: and the times:
1. N.Rosberg - Mecedes - 1.20,927 - 57 Laps
2. S.Buemi - Toro Rosso - 1.21,031 - 84 Laps
3. N.Hulkenberg - Williams - 1.22,243 - 118 Laps
4. F.Alonso - Ferrari - 1.22,895 - 88 Laps
5. K.Kobyashi - BMW Sauber - 1.23,287 - 55 Laps
6. J.Button - McLaren - 1.24,947 - 68 Laps
7. V.Liuzzi - Force India - 1.24,968 - 71 Laps
8. W.Petrov - Renault - 1.25,440 - 27 laps
9. M.Webber - Red Bull - 1.26,502 - 50 Laps
10. T.Glock - Virgin - 1.38,734 - 5 Laps
 
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Today's times:


www.autosport.com
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Kobayashi BMW-Sauber (B) 1:19.950 103
2. Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari (B) 1:20.026 121
3. Button McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.618 83
4. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:20.629 67
5. Liuzzi Force India- Mercedes (B) 1:20.754 80
6. M.Schumacher Mercedes GP (B) 1:21.083 124
7. Alonso Ferrari (B) 1:21.424 129
8. Kubica Renault (B) 1:22.003 103
9. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:22.043 99
10. Glock Virgin-Cosworth (B) 1:29.964 11


and now ... quoting myself earlier in this same thread:

KOBAYASHI FTW !!!!


:D :D :D



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Virgin way off the pace - but only 11 laps done... can only assume that they're not doing many quick runs yet...

Sauber is looking a contender... could BMW have done a Honda?!

C.
 
Sauber is looking a contender... could BMW have done a Honda?!

Well...

Ross Brawn bought Honda - Peter Sauber rebought BMW-Sauber
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Brawn changed from Honda to Mercedes engines - Sauber changed from BMW to Ferrari engines
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Brawn GP went from out of competition to topping testing times - Sauber did the same
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They could.
 
Well...

Ross Brawn bought Honda - Peter Sauber rebought BMW-Sauber
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Brawn changed from Honda to Mercedes engines - Sauber changed from BMW to Ferrari engines
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Brawn GP went from out of competition to topping testing times - Sauber did the same
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They could.

What numbers are they running this year? It's not 22/23 is it?!

C.
 
Virgin way off the pace - but only 11 laps done... can only assume that they're not doing many quick runs yet...

Sauber is looking a contender... could BMW have done a Honda?!

C.

Virgin are having normal teething issues to do with installation of upgrades and generally getting the car and team running smoothly. This is perfectly normal for a brand new team with a brand new car from scratch. It highlights why missing out on testing is going to badly hurt USF1 and Campos if they don't get their acts together.
They only completed 11 laps today because they lost a front wing early on and have barely any spare parts.

None of their times are really representative of absolute pace - they are still running what are basically installation laps.

Some front wing detonation:
 
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Its quite a good shot actually, as you can see at 0.15seconds that the front wing collapses under braking at the bumpy entry, suggesting it wasn't fixed on properly.
 
Yeah - totally agree about installation laps - hadn't realised that the lost a wing... great vid.

The run upto the turn before it explodes it's looking very very low - so I assume that Ardius means that it's gone before that - and it's just rubbing along the floor - then explodes after too much energy gets into it!!

C.
 
No, it wasn't gone before that, if you watch the video in youtube its a bit clearer with the bigger screen. Just before braking, the wing is fixed on and is visibly above the ground. But after Glock locks the brakes and hits the bump before going into turn 1 you can see the wing drop and hit the floor.
This suggests to me it wasn't attached properly and whatever fixes the wing to the connecting fins slowly detatched itself, and the bump finally knocked it out.
 
Yeah that's what I meant...

On the bigger image you see it kindof fold in the middle - the ends touch the ground but the middle is held up OK...

C.
 
The wing shattered more than once today, it looks like the wing itself is designed too low to the ground.
 
I don't know if it has been discussed, but what was (is?) the deal with that HUGE fin on the F10? Anyone know its purpose? I think it might be just to get a Pitot tube in clean air, but they always have those on the nose.

http://www.planetf1.com/Gallery_Detail/0,17732,3524_5909016,00.html

Its the second picture in the set. Whatever its purpose, it's gone now.

EDIT: It also seems to be on the McLaren as well, must have been covered by the thumbnails.
 
Anyone else notice the unusual device on the left side of the McLaren? What is it there for?
 
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