The Zonda leaves us while Pagani plans successor

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After 6-7 years, the Zonda is finally ending production, with Pagani only selling 5 Zonda F Roadsters and a small amount of its Zonda R.

http://chicago-auto-show.autoblog.com/2007/06/19/the-pagani-zonda-exits-stage-left/

Mr. Hall's Article
A few months back at Top Marques Monaco, I heard some slightly distressing news. Not only would there not be a Pagani Zonda F Roadster available to drive for the foreseeable future, but they also had just five left for sale. And that will be the end of the Zonda, one of the few supercar success stories in recent years. Not quite, in fact, as the Zonda F track project has gathered momentum and we can expect a backslapping, $1 million+ Ferrari FXX-style project. But in terms of the road cars then the end is nigh, and the high-rolling Top Marques show might have pushed it over the edge into extinction. They'll need to build the remaining cars, but that will be that until 2008.

I pretty much dealt with the fact I won't ever get the funds to buy a Zonda long ago, but now I can't have one, not a new one anyway, so if those lottery funds drop into my account right now it is still too late. And that's what confirmed it, I would have had one.

Some people say the Zonda is a little fussy, overly ornate and impractical. It managed to beach itself in inner city Paris on a memorable episode of Top Gear and is hardly the kind of machine you could happily drive round town and leave outside Starbucks. But, had the money popped into my hand, a Zonda F would have found its way into my drive.

The 650 bhp Clubsport version of the Zonda F is a magnificent beast, with a 7.3-litre AMG engine at its core. And when I finally got my invite to the Italian factory to drive the Zonda F hard top, it felt like a casual call from Shakira to see if I was free for dinner and sultry Latin adventures. This is the kind of car that defines careers like mine, it's why we turn up for work.

Pagani worked at Lamborghini as a carbon-fiber specialist and also supplied aerospace companies, but he had a vision for a car. And with the help of legendary driver Juan-Manuel Fangio he honed the Zonda concept for more than a decade before it hit the market in 1999. A brief run in the C12 S in England was a tantalizing look into its talents, but then the full bore Zonda F on Italian soil was something else.

The factory tour showed the precision that went in to each and every component. If the carbon-fiber weave isn't lined up perfectly the whole front section is thrown away, and Pagani has settled on a pace of building just 17 cars a year despite initial projections of 35.

In the flesh it is devastating, with the signature Gatling Gun exhaust at the rear and the cab-forward design of a Group C World Sportscar brought storming into the 21st Century. It's a modern design, using modern materials and intricate touches that could keep a real enthusiast poring over the car for hours with its respective nods to the past age.

Leather straps hold the luggage compartments at bay, the vents sit atop carbon-fiber swan's necks and the pedals look like the came from some 25th Century Grand Piano. The interior is easily overdone, and a muted shade of leather works best with the skeletal binnacle, the ornate, wooden flat-bottom wheel, exposed carbon-fibre and deeply crafted seats. With that aircraft-style central console there's enough jewelery inside this thing without the dramatic finishes on offer.

It's like climbing into a cockpit getting into the Zonda F and the olde world styling touches inside the car give it the instant character it needed to have, a USP to compete with the heritage of Ferrari and Lamborghini.

This car comes packed with electronic assistance, ABS brakes and a carbon-fibre monocoque and an Ohlins and Bilstein suspension set-up designed to soak up bumps in the road rather than jump around like an excited drunk on New Year's Eve.

You can't even stall it, as the car can cruise round town in sixth gear from just 500 revs and will blip the throttle for you to prevent embarrassing gaffes in front of 1000 gawping bystanders. It's amongst the easiest of supercars to drive and it weighs just 1230kg despite its slab-like sides and substantial proportions.

Acceleration, then, is predictably explosive, with the 60mph mark passing in 3.6s and the Zonda F will have racked up 125mph by the time you've counted to 10. We weren't allowed to test the top end speed of 216mph, but the way it blasted through the 100mph mark on a broken ribbon of Italian backroad confirmed it was more than up for the task.

Horatio Pagani was allowed to drive fast, and proved the point himself by diving into the driver's seat and setting off like his hair was on fire, mulching internal organs as I sat bewildered in the passenger seat. He braked later, harder and more aggressively than I ever would have with his half-million Euro show car.

There was the sound of traction control battling with Physics underneath, the dash lit up and then this broad inverted wing just took the line anyway. On track it is apparently a laugh riot, but then you'd need to be loaded beyond all of our wildest dreams to be able to bin your Zonda and the guy that does 20,000km a year in his probably has more fun out of his car than the one that uses it purely for track work.

Because he gets to soak up the noise of that charitably liberated 7.3-liter Mercedes engine blasted through a hydroformed sports exhaust built to F1 standards of fit and finish. At low revs it sounds like distant thunder, strangely insulated from the driver at normal speeds. Give the car its full head, though, and that glorious V12 feels like it's moved inside your inner ear as the car tears up the road.

Those that own a Zonda of any vintage now have a piece of rolling history and it is assured of instant classic status. Now we have to wait for 2008 and the new car, which will almost certainly debut at Geneva, but I do feel a pang of regret that I won't be able to call the factory and order my Zonda with a self-satisfied grin.

Like I say, made me realise that, if the funds were there, I genuinely might have. And the Zonda F joins an ever-growing list of cars I should have owned, if only life were different. If you had the money and thought about it, but didn't, you have missed something truly special. – Nick Hall

However, a successor is planned for afterwards.
 
It's one thing creating a car.

It's another selling it at a profit.

I celebrate HP's creation, but I am disappointed that when it comes to cars, the most engineering creativity and passion comes from people with the economic sense of a tomato.

Of course, there's nothing new about this, Aston Martin never ever turned a profit until very recently. Of course, the hardworking people of Bloxham with the DB7 did make a profit, it just got swallowed up in the grand plan of the Vanquish and Gaydon-based VH cars.

Now you understand why (above all others) Enzo Ferrari was so successful? While HP is throwing away hugely expensive CFRP panels, Enzo would have said 'paint it and ship it'. He understood the true meaning of the word 'product quality'. Fitness for purpose. Okay, sometimes even then he was wide of the mark, but hey, people with more money than sense probably aren't even going to use the product for purpose.

Enzo dismantled wrecked racecars to build tomorrow's customer vehicles. Questionable ethics, but I'd rather have it that way around. If you wonder why Ferrari get away with so much in F1 now, it's because they've always gotten away with everything. And we love them for it.

V.
 
A pity for people who never got to own one. A bonus for people who own one; It's a safe bet that the ultra-exclusive Zonda roadcar will appreciate nicely down the track.
 
After 6-7 years, the car has run it's course. If there wasnt a successor planned, i would be very dissapointed, but since there is, im excited. Cant wait to see what it looks like.
 
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Not me crying there... Rather, a little baby whiner who can't handle the fact that Pagani has the sense to progress rather than sit stagnant.

I'm pround of Pagani for moving on and replacing the Zonda. How many more years could the car have gone before the same people complaining now about lossing the car would begin complaining about the car needing a replacement.

I say it is better for them to stay ahead of the game than it is for them to fall behind and hope the next car catches them up. 👍

That said, I'd like to mention something ...
the most engineering creativity and passion comes from people with the economic sense of a tomato

The people who build these cars have great economic sense I'm sure- that's not the problem.
The problem is that you can not build cars like a Zonda F while still being economical. Plain and simple, if you want something as amazing as a Zonda you've got to be willing to pay for it because it cost so much to create.

Put all the economics you want into building a car but if you're building with carbon-fiber and titanium it will be impossible to be economical.

Even worse is the fact that most cars attempting to be economical in the sports car field end up being dubbed "cheap" because cost saving measures give you plastic interiors and cheap supporting parts (stuff like guages and dials).
 
Now you understand why (above all others) Enzo Ferrari was so successful? While HP is throwing away hugely expensive CFRP panels, Enzo would have said 'paint it and ship it'. He understood the true meaning of the word 'product quality'. Fitness for purpose. Okay, sometimes even then he was wide of the mark, but hey, people with more money than sense probably aren't even going to use the product for purpose.

V.

That's not really fair to compare the profit and success of Ferrari to Pagani. Ferrari had 45 years to succeed, and that's just with road cars. In full terms, Ferrari has has 63 years to make profits. Horacio has only had 15 years.

So, in retrospec, you can't give Ferrari credit for making profits on the Enzo over the Zonda as Ferrari's first road cars came in '47 while Pagani's first car came in '99. So, let's give it 20-30 years and see if the Pagani name can make a profit or not.
 
Mostly valid points made, Kent and McLaren. Not too sure about the baby whiner comment, I agree totally that Pagani must progress, I too hope HP is ready to prove he can do it. However, my belief is that the company is currently more a hobby, and I seriously question whether it is run as a viable business. It stands up, because HP's investors (and to a greater or lesser extent, the customers) love this hobby, and don't mind pouring money in. The cars are very expensive, and as such have to be a cut above, but it's a very fine line. I'm an engineer, and a practical one. If a carbon-fibre panel is being rejected on aesthetic grounds, I'm afraid I don't see the economic sense in that.

AML was similar, it's been propped up for years because everyone loves what they do for it, and everyone loves the product, it just cost too much to make that product. With DB7 as a long term vehicle, refined and made lean through years of painstaking manufacturing development, AML finally began to work. Then Vanquish as a showcase technology demonstrator cost quite a bit, but eventually turned a little cash too. On the back of these fine products, AML now have two very attractive product lines and a new manufacturing facility to build them in. However, if the new cars were built in the same way as Vanquish, painted in the same way as a DB7, or even parts quality checked the same way Pagani do, you could kiss goodbye to the marque in a year.

What I hope is that if there is a new car from Pagani, that much has been learned from their pioneer model, and the new car is pragmatically executed and hopefully allows many more people to benefit from a talented group of enthusiasts. I wouldn't want the accountants to rule the roost, but I might prefer it if they caught the eggs.

V.
 
Autoblog desperately needs a proofreader. I love Autoblog to pieces, but sometimes their grammar is atrocious (in that article, there’s a dependent clause that’s been separated from its independent clause and, even worse, moved into its own paragraph).

Anyway, I adore the Zonda. Ferraris and Lamborghinis are too… pedestrian nowadays. A Zonda though is such a visual and visceral treat. I love the fact that they’re stupidly ornate – if you have a supercar, why not?
 
I'm pround of Pagani for moving on and replacing the Zonda. How many more years could the car have gone before the same people complaining now about lossing the car would begin complaining about the car needing a replacement.

I say it is better for them to stay ahead of the game than it is for them to fall behind and hope the next car catches them up. 👍

Yep. Better to stop it when people are saying "Why are you stopping?" rather than "When will you stop?"

I'll miss the Zonda not being new anymore, but it'll just mean seeing one will be even more of a treat.
 
I'm sad, the Zonda is one of the best carts ever to come out of Italy--err any country for that matter. But, I'm excited to see a successor! As long as they keep the Batmobile style rear exhaust I'll be happy.
 
While the Zonda was my favorite supercar, I am not sad. It had a good run, and it's not like they are disappearing off the face of the planet. So the Zonda has stopped production. Such is they way of progress. It's no different than when they stopped making the McLaren, Diablo, GT40, or any other past supercar. Let's see what Pagani has in store for us next.
 
The good thing I've been reading from a fellow on F-Chat is who is very close to the factory, says while it won't be named Zonda, the sketches and what the next model will look like (for now) are very close to the Zonda in design and presence.
 
I'm kinda sad. It just kinda seems like this is the kind of time when Pagani says they are planning a successor, but in reality they are packing up shop. Hopefully they will make it like Koenigsegg did. However, it would make sense to continue production until the new car debuts and then make the switch. That would probably erase any doubt as to the future of Pagani.

The Zonda was a truely awesome car. The look and speed. The new car has big shoes to fill; hopefully it can even exceed what the Zonda has done.
 
Something about this car... just never really got much love by some people. In the Gran Turismo discussions where people b:censored:ed that there were not enough supercars or exotics, I regarded the Pagani Zonda as an exotic. How often do you see cars like this in your neighborhood or even in your own state/province/prefecture (Japan)/country? Italian supercar- it's there. Somehow, never generated too much interest or love by most car fans. I do hope the successor could be every bit as amazing as its predecesor.

Would you say the Zondas are some of the most underrated supercars in the modern era?
 
I agree that the Zonda was one of the most under-rated supercars ever. 👍
I think that could be in part due to the fact that so many versions of the car were released. By the time the Zonda F was around people may have lost interest with keeping up on what each name indicated.

In the end, the Zonda F was an awesome car, easily faster or as fast as many, if not all of its rivals.
Unfortunately, the Zonda F wasn't recieved as well as even the LP640 and because of that we have some of the best supercars in the world taking the title of most under-rated.

Btw, I agree that the Zonda provided a much needed supercar in the GT games. 👍
(I just wish we could add GT wings for some real downforce on the streetcar) :sly:
 
Pretty sad. The Zonda was an amazing car, and I can only hope that when they replace the same big Merc engine gets to work its magic.
 
Pretty sad. The Zonda was an amazing car, and I can only hope that when they replace the same big Merc engine gets to work its magic.

A smaller car built around the 6.2L V8? Sounds tasty, yes? Not exactly "exotic", but it should work in the SLK63.
 
I agree that the Zonda was one of the most under-rated supercars ever. 👍
I think that could be in part due to the fact that so many versions of the car were released. By the time the Zonda F was around people may have lost interest with keeping up on what each name indicated.

Btw, I agree that the Zonda provided a much needed supercar in the GT games. 👍
(I just wish we could add GT wings for some real downforce on the streetcar) :sly:

Maybe it could be underrated because it is so exclusive? Many of the bigger name companies turn out way more than 17 cars per year. There are supercar companies out there that produce super low numbers that nobodo knows about.

The Zonda was one of my favorite cars in GT4. I found it to be the best italian-style exotic in the game, and those are great cars. I have many miles in that car on the nurburgring.
 
Let me change up my initial question a bit. Do you think the Pagani Zondas were more underrated or underappreciated? What would have helped Pagani's image a little more with these cars?
 
Let me change up my initial question a bit. Do you think the Pagani Zondas were more underrated or underappreciated? What would have helped Pagani's image a little more with these cars?

I don't think either was really true. It just seems like they just weren't known enough to be all that popular. Ferrari and Lamborghini are well know and raved about because they have been around for a long time and both have made many great cars. Koenigsegg is new. Not many people know much about them. They have built three great cars, but the numbers aren't high enough and the brand hasn't been around long enough to be very well known. Pagani made one great car. That is not enough to make a center-stage brand.

What could Pagani have done? Being in GT4 was probably one of the best things. That exposed them to many many people worldwide. More racing would help, and maybe a lesser model would make more people see the product.
 
Well, I think getting it legal for US sale was the biggest hurdle they had with the Zonda, and given how late in its life that it was eventually allowed in this country (despite an incredible following) caused some issues.

Given that Pagani learned to give the heads-up to the North American market ahead of time, it will be the key to the company's future success. They need to maintain the working relationship with Mercedes AMG to supply the engines, and figure out how to do the rest of the car by maintaining the spirit and performance of its predecessor, while modernizing itself to one-up the current brand of Italian supercardom.

What would I like to see?

Well obviously the Zonda needs to be replaced by a better Zonda. The car was just so amazing, and anything less would be nothing but a disappointment. Keep the big V12 and the manual box, as it separates the men from the boys, keep it looking funky but keep it functional as well. It should be an evolution in design, not a clean-sheet revamp that Ferrari and Lamborghini are known to do.

The key, beyond US sales however, is going to be a "lesser" model. Ferrari and Lamborghini make so much money off the sales of the F430 and Gallardo, that quite frankly, having Pagani without one (given how well-respected the brand is now) just doesn't seem like a decent way to make money.

The big difference here is that while the car should be smaller, and obviously not perform as well as the Zonda successor (or evolution), it by no means should become a "commoner's model" like the other Italians. It should be a special run of cars, maybe a thousand or so a year (if even that), certainly mid-engined, powered with the 6.2L AMG V8, and should only be available with a 6-speed manual and RWD. None of that AWD bull-snot, thats for people who pick German parts from the wrong parts bin...

(I joke)

Just my two cents.
 
Well, unlike a few others here, I don't think the AMG Mercedes engine is essential. With a good car nearly any "great" engine will do the job. That said, I imagine there is nothing to worry about for the AMG people because I doubt Pagani is looking to go through the trouble of finding a new engine provider. But in any case, I still feel that there are a number of engines out there that would create a great car just the same.

Like many others here, I feel that the GT games have helped Pagani become more well known. However, I don't think that is the key to getting sales next time around. Rather, I feel like the best thing they could do is get some Pagani products out on the ALMS race tracks. 👍
I'd also go so far as to say, get some more publicity through commercial television (like the next time a Jay-Z wants to borrow a car for his video, send him a Pagani).

In any case, I don't think Pagani needs any philosophy changes. They've got the formula down and the Zondas were amazing cars. I really don't think there is anything to worry about. 👍

That said, I agree that a lesser model would be a good idea. Maybe something along the lines of the cheap Zonda from GT? It's not like every Zonda was a 7.3S or Zonda F. :sly:
Get more of those 350hp MR cars out on the market and I'm sure the company would be able to sell them. 👍
 
Let me change up my initial question a bit. Do you think the Pagani Zondas were more underrated or underappreciated? What would have helped Pagani's image a little more with these cars?

Producing more cars. That's it. I haven't seen a single bad review of the car. Ever. Their only problem was that they didn't have enough presence. And they weren't US-legal. Their only two problems were production levels, and the US market. But this is to be expected of any new car company, especially one at the top end of the market, where production is low from any manufacturer.

Not as tasty as the same small car built around the 7.3L V12. Can you say "New SL73?"

From a power perspective, sure, but the real advantage is that V12 is kind of old hat compared to the new-from-the-ground-up V8. Plus it's much more compact. Two advantages: new, and smaller. And more efficient. Three good things: newer, smaller, and more efficient. Oh, and this V8 sounds fantastic. Four advan --

oh, hell.
 
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