Theoretical maximum A-Spec points.

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Reading another thread where it was thought that the A-Spec point max was 112,900.

522 @ a maximum of 200 points each (104,400).
34 Driving Missions @ 250 points (8,500).
104,400 + 8500 = 112,900

However, I was thinking that since you can run a race and get anywhere from 1 point for a win to 200 points for a win, then wouldn't the maximum per race be higher than just 200?

It would.....if you run the race for 1 A-Spec point, then do it again for 2, and 3, and 4, and so on up to 200, then you would end up with a total of 19,866. Granted, you would have to run the same race 200 times AND would have to figure out how to raise the A-Spec points one by one consistently...but that's why this is just a theory.

So, going by this we have a new equation:
522 races at @ maximum of 19,866. (10,370,052).
34 Driving Missions @ 250 points (8500).
10,370,052 + 8500 = 10,378,552

So according to my theory (this is the fun of theories...they may be right or wrong), the maximum amount of A-Spec points possible is 10,378,552!

Now, the fun part....prove/disprove/discuss.
 
No, the total A-Spec points you can get for a race is 200.
For a mission is it 250.

You only get awarded points once.

If you do an A-Spec points for 1 point - your total goes up by one.
If you do that same race for 2 points - your total goes up by another one - the difference between the points you were awarded the first time and the second.
So if you keep going getting one more point each try, your total will go up by one each try and at the end of the day you will have been awarded a total of 200 for that race.

Try it out. That is the way it works.
 
If you do the same race with the same car over and over again, won't you get the a-spec points every time? It's not like you only get them once, is it? That'd mean there is no limit.

Cheers,
the Interceptor
 
the Interceptor
If you do the same race with the same car over and over again, won't you get the a-spec points every time? It's not like you only get them once, is it? That'd mean there is no limit.

Cheers,
the Interceptor

you do only get a-spec points once

example

run any race get given 100 A-Spec points

win and 100 A-Spec points are given to you

re-run the same race get given 100 A-Spec points

when you win, your A-Spec total will not have gone up

re-run the same race get given 101 A-Spec points

when you win, your A-Spec total will have gone up by 1 A-Spec point

just as NeilX pointed out
 
I see ... and how about the a-spec points you get in arcade mode, they won't be added as well, will they?
 
the Interceptor
I see ... and how about the a-spec points you get in arcade mode, they won't be added as well, will they?

I've only run one arcade race, but I don't think you do get them added to the gt mode total, but I could be wrong

on another thread someone posted saying about the family cups, I will be trying this when I get home.


laters
 
Each race will only yield A-spec points up to a MAXIMUM of 200 points. As stated earlier, if you get 199 points for a race, then go back for the 200, your total A-spec point tally will only increase by ONE. If you go in for 1 point and do the race again for 1 point, your total will not increase at all. No race will ever yield more than 200 points.

Mission Hall tests yield 250 points each, and will only give these points ONCE.

Arcade Mode A-spec points are not counted in your GT Mode A-spec Points total.

So 112,900 IS the maximum amount of attainable A-spec Points.
 
Famine
Each race will only yield A-spec points up to a MAXIMUM of 200 points. As stated earlier, if you get 199 points for a race, then go back for the 200, your total A-spec point tally will only increase by ONE. If you go in for 1 point and do the race again for 1 point, your total will not increase at all. No race will ever yield more than 200 points.

Mission Hall tests yield 250 points each, and will only give these points ONCE.

Arcade Mode A-spec points are not counted in your GT Mode A-spec Points total.

So 112,900 IS the maximum amount of attainable A-spec Points.

There are some cases where it's almost (not to say totally) impossible to get those 200pts. For instance, when you run a One-Make race where all 6 cars must be exactly the same, it will count a maximum of 60pts (what I usually call the point of equilibrium).

:crazy:
 
I agree. Nevertheless, these races will also carry a maximum of 200 points, whether or not it is achievable.

There ARE things you can do - run the car to death and black oil, increase ballast weight, run N1 tyres - but it's not always possible to get 200 points offered.
 
What about in the Family Cup, because you can go in there and win A-Spec points as well. Take any car, and set the difficulty to +2 or so, and you'll get a decient amount of points. You get different amounts of points for the difficulty level, so wouldnt this add a ton of points to the total possible?
 
No. Family cup events do not count towards your A-Spec points total.
 
I can categorically say that the Theoretical total will not be achieved by anyone without cheating. My proof? In the Daihatsu midget race all the cars are the same exact model, and I have max ballast weight, N1 tires and need an oil change and I still don't get 200 points, I get 152.

No other settings except downforce make any difference to A-spec points and since you can't take downforce off a car that doesn't have any, the points won't go higher than this.

At a guess i'd say the realistic limit is about 100000 (I've got 37473 at 37.1% on my A-spec save) and I think that's what people (who are a bit mental to even try, like me!) Should aim for.
This is not going to be easy................
 
I posted a thread on another GT4 chat group where I calculated a theoretical maximum of 112,900 A-spec points plus another 200 from all the family cup races combined to give a total possible maximum of 113,100 A-spec points in the game.

I'm not sure if this is what you are referring to, or if this has been calculated again confirming my total. I would welcome independant confirmation of this if anyone wants to check my arithmetic.

There are other interesting wrinkles to A-spec as you are noting, particularly with the one make races, that may in fact reduce this theoretical maximum even further.

Other practical issues will also come into play - i.e; trying to get 200 A-spec points in a 24hr Nurburgring endurance may well be insane :crazy: - but I know people will try and do it.

The highest A-spec total I have seen so far is from "Zenkatt" 👍 who has over 75,000 A-spec points (or thereabouts). Personally I am close to 40,000 and I have only recently been going back and re-running races I beat first time around easily (typically generating less than 10 A-spec points per race) and looking to find the perfect combination of car, tires, tuning and bad oil that will generate that magical 200 A-spec points and still let me win.

No - there are no material rewards (no paint shop, no cars, no medals) but it is a challenge a number of players have chosen to accept and for that its fun.

Finally, the way the game is structured, you get a total of 200 A-spec points for ALL the family cup and city races COMBINED. Whereas in each other race its 200 points per race max. The challenge races give you 250 points per challenge if you beat it.
 
It would be great, if people would tell, for which race with which opponents they got 200 points and won. Offcourse with what car and what upgrades. A list of that would be great ...
 
The way I was figuring was definitely flawed then.

I never paid enough attention to how the point total incremented, so I assumed that it would be possible (possible, but not likely) that you could win each "normal" race 200 times and get all the points that were awarded in a "stacked manner.
"Stacked" meaning something like 1+2+3+4+5 and so on.

Aren't theories fun?

Anyway, until someone can go look at the game code itself, determine the limit for each race, find exactly how the game engine handles the A-Spec points, and other variables......we won't know what the *true* maximum is.
I'm willing to bet there is one...but it's almost all pure speculation at this point.
 
Its not all that speculative ...

The theoretical maximum is 113,100 as I calculate it.

Your other point though is very germane i.e; what are the "limited" races that result in a lower than 200 A-spec point maximum. This is an excellent question.

I have had fun winning all the beginner races again with various combinations of cars, tuning, weight etc ... and getting 200 A-spec points per race. It is fun/frustrating when you get - almost - the perfect combination but don't have quite enough weight and then you end up with say 199 pts!

Most "open" races seem likely to generate 200 points per race. The manufacturers races are the most challenging to get good A-spec points for sure - case in point the Opel Speedster races - and in some cases it may not be possible to get to 200 points.

I'm sure a thread will start to emerge (maybe this one?) that will start to identify the low A-spec races and then we can get a better estimate of the theoretical maximum.

Also, running the endurance races in A-spec I'm sure will be a topic of great interest i.e; which car was used, how many A-spec points were earned, how much of a lead etc. As time goes on and more players get into the A-spec challenge this will be useful and valuable information to share.
 
Since some races, like the Midget One Make, don't allow a 200 point max then you can safely assume that the actual max might be closer to 110,000.
My ten million guess was the result of being up too late and thinking random thoughts.

However, this thread may eventually lead to someone "breaking the code" so to speak, and finding what the actual maximum is.
 
Well let me start by saying the races I haven't been able to get 200 points for -

Daihatsu Copen race (180pts) - Copen Active top (heavier),200 Ballast, N1 tires, no oil
Daihatsu Midget cup (152pts) - Midget II, 200 Ballast, N1 tires, no oil
Isuzu Sports (176pts) - Isuzu Coupe, 200 Ballast, N1 tires, no oil (NOT Easy at Fuji)
RX-8 cup (187pts) - RX-8, 200 Ballast, N1 tires, no oil

That's off the top of my head, i'll edit this post as I find out/remember more

As for the Enduros, I've done 2 of the 24hrs:

Nurburgring 24Hr - BMW 320i touring, R1 tires - 167 pts (200 should be doable, but i didn't win by much against an Abt-t Audi - 2nd, C-West Silvia - last)
Sarthe II 24hr - Nissan R390 GT1, R1/R2 tires - 170pts (again should be doable with a bit of ballast but this was really hard work and was against an entire field of Class C cars R92CP, Minolta, Sauber, 787B, XJR-9 - won by 30 secs ish, good pit strategy vital)

Again I'll edit these as I do more.
 
Famine
No. Family cup events do not count towards your A-Spec points total.
Are you sure? I could have sworn I got 200 Aspec points added on to my total after doing LeSarthe II in the family cup event on 10. Somebody who hasn't done the family cup event, please check for me. I'm almost 100% sure I acquired more A-spec points from family cup events.
 
I think the Manufacturer races are the easiest to get good a-spec points for. Although there are some where 200 seems impossible (I would add the 2CV race to those listed above) most of them seem reasonably balanced.

The races I find very difficult are those where almost anything can enter. Take the World Classic Car Series - a 427 Cobra or a Buick Special = 1pt, a 300 SL Coupe = 8pts. Cars with a slightly lower pwr than the 300 SL, e.g. Giulia Sprint GTA 1600, are killed by it.

I am at a bit of a loss - with the 300 SL I had to enter and exit the race many times until there was no Cobra or 62 Special. With a lesser car I would presumably have to keep reentering until there was also no 300 SL :irked:

At least the points are easy to get in the Supercar Festival, lots of fun to be had there.
 
No this is silly - we now know that the theoretical maximum is at most 113,100 and we believe that the real attainable maximum is going to be less than this - a reasonable first guess is that the best players will end up with totals somewhere around 100,000.

As a follow on from yesterday's efforts to identify limited A-spec races I tried:

An experiment where I set up and ran A-spec races in arcade mode to see if winning there affected my A-spec total. I ran, I won I was awarded A-spec points but it did not increase my A-spec total in GT mode. Therefore definitive short conclusion; arcade race A-spec points do not effect your A-spec total in GT mode.

I also tested a few one/two class manufacturers races including:

Audi A3 championship - restricted to only Audi A3's

Result: for worst combo possible (N1 tires, absolutely stock everything else, maximum ballast) = > 153 A-spec points. Note that this does not account for bad oil/high mileage - my car was bought new so the HP is 218HP and the oil is fresh. It remains to be determined if high use on the car ==> dirty oil ==> lower HP ===> higher A-spec points, but my guess is that this is what will happen. I am going to try and test this theory by putting the A3 in some 24 hr endurance races to see if I can lower the HP over time & try again.

So at the moment this limit seems to be 153 A-spec points per race but will likely go up with "used" cars.

Chrysler Crossfire - restricted to only Chrysler crossfires (fun cars by the way)

again, with the same "worst possible" setup results were 154 A-spec points for a car with clean oil and 218 HP.

I also played with the BMW 1 series in the BMW 1 series trophy races - some interesting observations here:

There are two possible cars that can race; the "d - type" - which are more powerful/faster cars and the "i-type" - which are less powerful/slower cars.

What I found was that the A-spec points were dependent not just on the fastest car (the d-type) but rather on the make up of the whole field of competition - in particular:

field

4 d's
2 i's ===> 176 A-spec points for a win in my i-car

3 d's
3 i's ==== > 168 A-spec points for a win in my i-car

2 d's
4 i's ====> 160 A-spec points for a win in my i-car


So - it appears that for 2 car races it will be important to try and get the right combination of competing cars if you want to max out your A-spec points.

Note: I never did see a field comprised of 5 d's and me as the only i-car; so I'm not sure its possible, but if it exists then following the above pattern this combination should yield 184 A-spec points for a win.

Again, these were for a new car with 152 HP and clean oil - so it may well be possible that this could reach 200 A-spec points as the oil gets dirty and the HP goes down.

Finally, I tried the tourist trophy in a used car with the worst combination and was able to generate 200 A-spec point races with no problem - I wasn't able to win, but it seems it might be possible to do it with some effort & luck. As an aside, I got this number by entering the El Capitan race by itself and not as part of the "cup race" series. It has been suggested elsewhere that this can also affect A-spec numbers, but I didn't confirm this.

Thats all for today - happy A-spec'ing.

:)
 
113100. If you don't agree you simply are playing another game.

Family cup COUNTS on A-spec points, but only once. To collect 200 points you only have to collect them in a circuit of your preference. It is also reported in the family cup race preview: you can see you have the same best in ALL the circuit you enter.

As for other A-spec points, if you have a 150 PB and win a new race with 151 points, you only gain 1 point.

A quick poll: do you agree that A-spec points are a big improvment of the game and the best good-at-play-meter?
 
I think the theoretical total is pretty irrelevant nobody is going to try and do a 200pt 24hr race let alone all three of them. I imagine it would be a nightmare in special conditions as well also trying to beat LM cars for 200pts as they are so much faster than anything else.

A quick poll: do you agree that A-spec points are a big improvment of the game and the best good-at-play-meter?

No, had too many impossible races at low points and very easy races at higher points. Apart from the obvious 1pt and 200pt races I don't pay much notice to them any more.
 
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