Theoretical maximum A-Spec points.

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Duck
113100. If you don't agree you simply are playing another game.

Family cup COUNTS on A-spec points, but only once. To collect 200 points you only have to collect them in a circuit of your preference. It is also reported in the family cup race preview: you can see you have the same best in ALL the circuit you enter.

As for other A-spec points, if you have a 150 PB and win a new race with 151 points, you only gain 1 point.

A quick poll: do you agree that A-spec points are a big improvment of the game and the best good-at-play-meter?
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No.
I am at 70% complete and some 1 point races are way harder than some 150-200 point races.
PD needs to rework the Aspec points.
The AI points should be calculated against the fastest AI car in the field and not averaged out against the entire field.

Edit.
Family Cup races. Ever wondered why there is no family cup race at the test track?
PD knows their A spec formula is wrong and it is too easy to get 200 Aspec points at the Test track, so no Family Cup race at Test Track.
 
Ax Battler
I think the theoretical total is pretty irrelevant nobody is going to try and do a 200pt 24hr race let alone all three of them. I imagine it would be a nightmare in special conditions as well also trying to beat LM cars for 200pts as they are so much faster than anything else.



No, had too many impossible races at low points and very easy races at higher points. Apart from the obvious 1pt and 200pt races I don't pay much notice to them any more.
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A-spec points grow on you ... there already are people out there trying 24 A-spec races and comparing A-spec points won. Even the 24hr 'ring!

I have completed the entire special conditions hall with 200 points per race - mostly using the Dodge Ram and various tuning options and don't consider myself a good driver - so its definitely possible to beat all these races.

There is another thread that is seeking data on races that have already been won (thereby proving 200 A-spec points are possible) or have been fully tested and resulted in a maximum of less than 200 A-spec points for every case (thereby providing an important data point in calculating the eventual A-spec maximum value)

I think its a fun puzzle and the answer is best found by a dedicated group like this one.

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Not seen the Family Cup yet - is it an event in the "World Circuits" menu?

Apologies for being a thicko...

BTW - I'm aiming for 100k - I'm currently re-running my previous races to get a higher a-spec count...
 
Messiah
Not seen the Family Cup yet - is it an event in the "World Circuits" menu?

Apologies for being a thicko...

BTW - I'm aiming for 100k - I'm currently re-running my previous races to get a higher a-spec count...
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The way PD decided to award A-spec points was to give you a TOTAL of 200 A-spec points for ALL family cup races & City races. So once you win any one of these races at the 200 A-spec level, you will see the A-spec max for any of these races (top right hand corner at the start of the race) will be 200.

So, strategically speaking, pick an "easy" family cup race that gives you the 200 A-spec points, win it, then move on to the others, including all manufacturers races, hall races, and Enduros's to start moving yout total up. Don't forget the Special conditions (dirt/snow etc) they are good for lots of 200 A-spec races (they can all be won at the 200 point level).
 
im not sure if this is true, especially since none of you have posted this. but i thought i heard that the A-spec points are added together. for example if you race and 20 then the next time that you race the a-spec points must equal more in order to be added. so if you get 25 the second time then a total of 45 is added to your total a-spec points. then this number has a limit of going up to 200. so if you race for 120 the first time and race again for 121 then total will stay at 200. thats just what i heard. ill try to find the source of it. :)
 
it is true - its 200 points per race - period and no more after that. These guys are just goofing around because they don't understand how the points are actually caculated.

Try it yourself in any one of the manufacturers races - make note of your A-spec total - enter a race - note the A-spec level already awarded for that race - win the race - you will see that your A-spec total will increase ONLY by the additional points you earn.

The wrinkles are in the family cup/City races ===> these award only 200 points for ALL of them combined. I guess PD thinks of these as practice races, and the challenges, these give 250 points per challenge when/if you beat them.

We know that there is a finite total somewhere around 100,000 to 110,000 A-spec points but we are trying to determine what the exact number is through comparing data from other posters. The reason its complicated is that it is impossible to get 200 points in some races - we are working to find out which ones.
 
My A-Spec tally is screwed up...

I decided to make an Excel spreadsheet of every race and note how many points I have in each - then when I've done every race I can go back to the races that I performed worst on to bump my A-Spec tally up.

BUT.

My spreadsheet is showing up more points (approx 200) then GT4 says I have.

And yes - I have gone back through and checked my points for each race.

Is there a bug? I'm sure I heard someone mention a problem in Special Condition Hall...
 
I would double check the races you think you won & make sure the A-spec points are correct (this is tedious I know), but first, make sure you only count 200 A-spec points once for ALL the family cup and City courses.

I know if you check out any given Family Cup race it will show your max A-spec score before each race - but GT4 only gives you 200 points for all these races combined. (You probably already know this - but just in case, I though I would offere up a possible explanantion - sorry if I'm being too pedantic).
 
Well...

The A-Spec number probably is a C longint.
I am not sure if the longint is a 16-bit number or a 32-bit number oe even a 64-bit number

If that is the case, the natural software limitation, if the number is declared as longint, is 18446744073709551616 if 64-bit or 4294967295 if 32-bit or 65535 if 16-bit.

Playstation 2 can handle 128-bit numbers. A hardware maximum (with precision loss/ Scientific Notation) is: 2,1267647932558653966460912964486e+37

OF COURSE that PD would not allow that. There is probably a secret line like this:

void aspec() {
if aspec==500000 then erasememorycard()
printf("Sorry, you need to play it all again");
};
 
JBR-Man
Well...

The A-Spec number probably is a C longint.
I am not sure if the longint is a 16-bit number or a 32-bit number oe even a 64-bit number

If that is the case, the natural software limitation, if the number is declared as longint, is 18446744073709551616 if 64-bit or 4294967295 if 32-bit or 65535 if 16-bit.

Playstation 2 can handle 128-bit numbers. A hardware maximum (with precision loss/ Scientific Notation) is: 2,1267647932558653966460912964486e+37

OF COURSE that PD would not allow that. There is probably a secret line like this:

void aspec() {
if aspec==500000 then erasememorycard()
printf("Sorry, you need to play it all again");
};
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very funny ...

using this code though, we should all be safe because aspec will never == 500000 since it is limited to 113,100 or less.
 
I'm sure 100,000 isnt incredibly hard to hit, but ive really slowed on my Aspec venture. I'm at about 76,300 right now and havent been doing much gaming. Was more focused on finals and graduating than racing. That and those Challenges on the IGN boards.

I'll get back in the swing and try to hit 80k soon.
 
Uncle Harry
No.
I am at 70% complete and some 1 point races are way harder than some 150-200 point races.
PD needs to rework the Aspec points.
The AI points should be calculated against the fastest AI car in the field and not averaged out against the entire field.
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I agree that there are too hard 50 point races and too easy 150 pt races, but this is the same for all players, so a good meter.
I was also sure that A-spec pts are calculated over the best AI car. Can you make some examples of it?
 
Duck
I agree that there are too hard 50 point races and too easy 150 pt races, but this is the same for all players, so a good meter.
I was also sure that A-spec pts are calculated over the best AI car. Can you make some examples of it?
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A spec are calculated over entire field.
The BMW 120 races.
A spec points change depending on ratio of petrol and desiel AI cars.
All races had at least one 120 Desiel AI (37 points ) and some had 3 120 Desiel AI (44 points).
This indicates that more than the fastest entry is used to calculate the A spec points.
 

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