Things you like and dislike about modern car design

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That's all safety related, much like the general bloat of cars :grumpy:

Not all of it. I can't think of why a car would be safer for anyone with half the visibility, or huge heavy 19 inch wheels. It's all stupid and much more expensive for everyone without any practical gain, performance or ascetic.
 
I get angry every time I see an older Mercury Mariner, because for some reason they decided to put vertical slats on the grill, but horizontal slats on the taillights. Why? It makes the back look like a completely different car than the front.
I always thought that was a stupid fussy detail also. It's ironic because the Escape was actually a rather good looking little trucklet. The Mercury Milan, though...

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I rather liked the front of this car. I think it was the best of the Fusion/Milan/MKZ trio. It's odd, kinda alien, kinda fishy, but I like that because it's simpler and unique compared to the other two which had tradition 6-box front end treatments.

In fact, I find a lot of cars have very poorly designed rear ends. Especially with a lot of modern, everyday cars, the taillights tend to be randomly shaped blobs with no relation to the design of the rest of the car.
This is what I was getting at with Rolls Royce and the tail lights that seem to have been forgotten about. Often the rear end ruins the rest of the car. But there are some good ones. *flamesuit on*

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Wing shapes have been an integral part of Lincoln's design these for a few years now. Their front grille and headlight shapes are very wing-like, I feel helping to give the car a regal but athletic look. The rear lights echo this wing shape theme. They're very wide and horizontal, helping to increase the car's perceived width and reducing its perceived height.

The MKT in particular is a great design all-round. Nobody ever agrees with me but that's only because they have no design sense. It's not perfect, it's it's still elegant, appearing very long (it is), but wider and lower than it actually is. The raised shoulder is an obvious nod to Lincolns past, especially the early-to-mid 60s Continentals like I posted earlier. The rear hatch slopes downward, as has been a feature on high-end luxury cars for nearly a hundred years (Rolls Royce and Bentley still do this). It's somewhat of a boat tail and you'll find it on anything from antique wooden speed boats to giant cruise ships, all obviously very expensive and luxurious. The Cadillac Ciel I posted earlier does this also. The hatch also has an odd bump on it, obviously a nod to the 40s when that was a common feature, like on this 1940 Continental...

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And look what it has in the interior...

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The peak running the entire length of the body also runs through the interior. These plaques on the front seatbacks echo the wing shape of the headlights and tail lights.

Pontiac Aztec
The Aztec's name fit its design very well. It was ugly, but it was cohesive. I think it was a good bad design if you know what I mean.

PT Cruiser
It was a good retro design. A little bland and undefined as you said, but good.

Overall, I'd really like to see design turn to the past for inspiration, not just to bring back old models with modern styling, but to create new models based on the design principles of the past, as you said Keef.
There are numerous retro details that could be used, like in the MKT above. A little design heritage goes a long way. Most car companies do have notable designs at some point in their history that could be used to influence modern ones.

Or maybe just a personality about the design language - Mazda's new direction is 100% Japanese and I love it. For some reason whenever I look at some Suzuki cars, concepts especially, I instantly think "Samurai", which is funny because they made a Samurai and of course the company is Japanese. Mitsubishi conjures similar images. When I think of Nissan I think of brutish, powerful, strange designs, obviously influenced by the GT-R and Ghosn's handywork. But when I think of Honda and Toyota I don't feel anything in particular. Just generic, frail but reliable, simple, economical. Boring.

Audi, brilliant at making every car look exactly the same...
That's actually a good thing. Audi has a very simple, elegant design language for their sedans in particular. They're very handsome. It's excellent design etiquette to base all the cars on the same language - why ruin a good thing when you've got it? Plus, they're all instantly recognizable as Audis. Audi has always made handsome, classically German-designed cars as far as I can remember and they're the only German company besides Porsche that hasn't strayed too far from a simple, elegant formula.

The use of a "generic" profile design:

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Any more to add to this list?
Uh, pretty much every sedan ever? What the hell do you want them to look like, a damn cargo van? Sedans are sedans bro. You could stretch the roof but then you'd have a stationwagon and you'd probably complain that all stationwagons look the same. There's only so many ways to build them without looking completely retarded.
 
Its funny because everything you used to describe an option on the Audi can be used to describe basically every BMW in the last decade except the new 3 Series coupe which looks fine. But everything else is over designed with dumb lines that lead to nothing. There is no flow its a what happens when someone with rage problems goes on steroids and someone hands them a pencil and says draw a car, slap the exactly same BMW grill they've been using for 30 years and call it a day. ZOMG ITS SO DIFFERENT AND KEWL. At least it doesn't look like a cheshire cat (Mazda 3)

Except they haven't been slapping on the 'same BMW grill they've been using for 30 years' and calling it a day. Yes, they've had the same basic kidney grill style but the size has changed and so have the grills themselves. They used to be like two rounded rectangles but now they are more smoothed. Just look at an E30 3 series and then an F30. The grills will be quite different.
 
Not all of it. I can't think of why a car would be safer for anyone with half the visibility, or huge heavy 19 inch wheels. It's all stupid and much more expensive for everyone without any practical gain, performance or ascetic.
The high belt lines allow high crash structures which otherwise would have class in the way of an SUVs bumper coming into the side of a car. So smaller windows, rear in particular, are safety related.

The rims aren't, but then I didn't highlight that in bold.

That's actually a good thing. Audi has a very simple, elegant design language for their sedans in particular. They're very handsome. It's excellent design etiquette to base all the cars on the same language - why ruin a good thing when you've got it? Plus, they're all instantly recognizable as Audis. Audi has always made handsome, classically German-designed cars as far as I can remember and they're the only German company besides Porsche that hasn't strayed too far from a simple, elegant formula.
In your opinion. I find Audi's shockingly bland, in fact they've swapped spots with Volvo (who've improved greatly) for widespread-and-bland champion.

And while I agree an easily recognisable and transferable brand image is necessary, why does it have to be the whole car? Audi have the same lights and vents and bumpers and bonnets, not just grills like most brands.
 
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I did. Doesn't change anything.

Really?

Toronado
You wanna claim hypocrisy, you need to make sure that the person you are arguing with actually holds the views you claim they do and that they are actually comparable in the first place.


E28
Except they haven't been slapping on the 'same BMW grill they've been using for 30 years' and calling it a day. Yes, they've had the same basic kidney grill style but the size has changed and so have the grills themselves. They used to be like two rounded rectangles but now they are more smoothed. Just look at an E30 3 series and then an F30. The grills will be quite different.

Oh ok, so the grill looks a little different from a car made in 1986. Completely different.
 
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Except they haven't been slapping on the 'same BMW grill they've been using for 30 years' and calling it a day. Yes, they've had the same basic kidney grill style but the size has changed and so have the grills themselves. They used to be like two rounded rectangles but now they are more smoothed. Just look at an E30 3 series and then an F30. The grills will be quite different.

Interesting pics on that topic...

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Good: Citröen DS3, TT-RS, Evora.
Bad: Try to do any maintenance yourself without taking apart most of the front end. Everything is neatly packaged away in their own little plastic box..
 
The first 4 look great. Elegant with a hint of sport. The last 2 look messy as all 🤬.

Is it required to wear a suit and designer sun glasses when driving a new 5 series? It certainly feels like it.

As it happens the F10 (current) and E39 (late 90's/early 00's) 5's are the least pleasing to my eye. The E28 second from left is glorious :D.

And as far as designer shades and suits go, I think the same is true of the E-class and the A6 also...
 
Mmhmm, but DS3 is the only one that has caught my eye. It actually looks fresh and exciting. C2 was fine too, and I'd love to see DS2 version.
 
Its probably been said before but I hate how cars are getting bigger and that they are also getting heavier. I dont like how new cars are also harder to work on...

I like the improved interior quality of new cars...
 
And as far as designer shades and suits go, I think the same is true of the E-class and the A6 also...

No doubt. Might as well just toss every luxury brand there. Those three makes make up about 60% of all non-Prius cars here. And everyone who drives them are ether describes as above or old.
 
I hate how new cars have license plates on the trunk/boot, and not the bumper:

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Manufacturers have to replace bumpers all the time because of fender benders and scratches and scrapes. It's much cheaper to produce and paint a basic panel that gets abused often. The trunklid isn't involved in nearly as many fender benders and therefore a little extra forming isn't a big issue because they're not being replaced all the time.
 
poolhaas
Your father went for BMW because Audi designs similar cars? I hope he likes the new BMW designs then.

I think the Audi A8 in terms of looks is a disappointment as it doesn't really stand out as being the best Audi, merely and extended A6 (if you squint :P) and he agrees.
As for his choice on his new car, I think he wanted a change and he rather likes the BMW in terms of looks. As for me, I don't. I hate the huge gaping kidney grills although I like the rear and the interior is amazing, it's too good!
Also my family has owned a few BMWs in the past. E36's, E39s and an E60 535D.

Speaking of interiors, all manufacturers have stepped up the interior design of vehicles and I feel nearly every new car is a fantastic place to be (when specced right!)
 
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Most of the cars just don't look muscular or beefier any more that screem power. I miss that. The only vehice that seems to is the new Ram.
 
Oh, and one more thing I hate: something like the Ford Ranger that would have been considered a fairly competent pickup truck just 5-10 years ago is now derided for being too uncomfortable, too noisy, not luxurious enough, blah, blah, blah. It's a truck. It's not meant to be quiet, or comfortable, or luxurious. It's meant to haul large or dirty loads and go off-road.

Seems like even work vehicles have to be rolling status symbols anymore...
 
Manufacturers have to replace bumpers all the time because of fender benders and scratches and scrapes. It's much cheaper to produce and paint a basic panel that gets abused often. The trunklid isn't involved in nearly as many fender benders and therefore a little extra forming isn't a big issue because they're not being replaced all the time.

Meh, if it's for the sake of function, then I suppose styling can be sacrificed. :)
 
Seems like even work vehicles have to be rolling status symbols anymore...
Do they still produce the Ranger as it was a couple years ago? Either way, as far as I know it was still the best selling small pickup until at least a few years ago.
 
Do they still produce the Ranger as it was a couple years ago? Either way, as far as I know it was still the best selling small pickup until at least a few years ago.

The Ranger isn't produced anymore at all.
 
White & Nerdy
Oh, and one more thing I hate: something like the Ford Ranger that would have been considered a fairly competent pickup truck just 5-10 years ago is now derided for being too uncomfortable, too noisy, not luxurious enough, blah, blah, blah. It's a truck. It's not meant to be quiet, or comfortable, or luxurious. It's meant to haul large or dirty loads and go off-road.

Seems like even work vehicles have to be rolling status symbols anymore...

I never understood this at all. Reviewers seem to forget the market these cars are in and compare trucks and low end sports cars comfort to BMW and Audi. It just makes no sense. I've been in plenty of vehicles that didn't get great reviews and they seemed great to me, but then again I've never been in an s-class or a bentley either.
 
Gas cap? You mean the little square/circle thing on the side of the car? Or are you referring to something else? :confused:
 
Oh. I'm not old enough for that. :lol:

I'd imagine that that's dangerous. If you get rear-ended, I can see the car catching fire.
 
And that is why the gas cap isn't put there anymore.

Although I haven't heard of too many stories of cars with it in a similar location catching fire after being hit in the rear.

Somebody feel free to correct me on that.
 
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