Things you like and dislike about modern car design

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I suppose an Evoque is more off-roadworthy than say, a Cadillac Escalade and even James May took one across Sodallsville, Nevada. I think crossover SUVs and bling were the general focus of my criticism. Their looks are horrendous and are off-road facsimilies. It's more about looking tough and off-roadworthy than actually being able to go off-road.
 
I suppose an Evoque is more off-roadworthy than say, a Cadillac Escalade and even James May took one across Sodallsville, Nevada. I think crossover SUVs and bling were the general focus of my criticism. Their looks are horrendous and are off-road facsimilies. It's more about looking tough and off-roadworthy than actually being able to go off-road.

The only reason Escalades sucks off-road is because of their tires. Pull some all-terrains on them and it would be fine. It's just a Chevy Tahoe with a Cadillac badge on it.
 
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I make an exception for the Evoque. Driven one, it's a brilliant car. That said, I accept that it's a bit blingy. They would have been better launching "Evoque" as a side-brand to Land Rover and Range Rover. Land Rovers = rufty tufty, Range Rovers = a bit posh, still go off-road, Evoques = still go off road (seriously, they're not bad), but much more fashion-orientated.

I just think the Evoque is a 'blinged' up Land Rover Freelander.
 
The thing about Range Rover is that the US market for them is way bigger than the UK market. That's a recipe to say bye bye to tradition and say hello to whatever sells in the US. That'll be fashion luxury, not country outdoorsman luxury.
 
I just think the Evoque is a 'blinged' up Land Rover Freelander.

On a technical level, yes.

On every other level, no. I've driven both back to back, and they couldn't feel any more different in every single aspect of how they drive. The Freelander probably goes further off road, and it's more practical, but the Evoque is faster, quieter, steers better, rides better, feels higher quality and is one of the most distinctive cars on the road. Chalk and cheese really.

The thing about Range Rover is that the US market for them is way bigger than the UK market. That's a recipe to say bye bye to tradition and say hello to whatever sells in the US. That'll be fashion luxury, not country outdoorsman luxury.

This. At the end of the day, car companies are in it to make money.
 
Going back to something said on the last page, I surprised myself by finding the new Camry to actually look...interesting. The first time I noticed one, I had to double check the badge to make sure I wasn't seeing things.

I like that; a lot of new cars look interesting now. It appears we're finally moving out of the age of generic blob car design, and a great many can be called interesting. Like the Genesis Coupe, jack-o-lantern face and all, it still looks pretty good.

What I don't like:
1) The obsession with luxury. I saw where someone mentioned that a pickup truck gets horrible reviews because it's too noisy...that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Some people seem to get personally offended just because a dashboard doesn't contain half a dozen rare woods, the seats aren't wrapped in the cured hide of an endangered species, and the various buttons and knobs aren't jewel-encrusted. Yeah...you paid $18k for a car, what exactly do you expect?

2) Crowding of the car interior with pointless swoopy designs and gadgets built into the dashboard and steering wheel. This goes hand in hand with people who call the driver's seat a "cockpit". I know it's kind of obvious, but you aren't in a plane or a race car, you're in a normal, everyday car. But that's just a personal annoyance of mine, I guess. It doesn't come across as a technological wonder or super-advanced or anything, it just looks crowded and usually a little silly as well.

3) The increased difficulty of working on a car, especially when they make it so you have to have a special kind of screwdriver you can't actually buy just to replace a part.

4) Over reliance on electronics and automatic devices. I don't see many of today's cars lasting much more than ten years, maybe twenty at the outside before their electronic controls start malfunctioning or start causing dangerous situations while driving. Maybe it's just the perception I've picked up, but I would rather not have a computer that could be affected by any number of factors having control of braking, steering, or accelerating, thanks. The rear view mirror in my mom's Focus is actually a good example, if only mildly annoying. You know how most rear view mirrors have a switch you can use at night so you won't be blinded by the headlights of the car behind you reflecting into your eyes? Her Focus does this automatically. Okay, fine. But the engineers removed the switch. I guess it works by a light censor or something, but the problem is you as the driver have no control over what it does. So if it's not the dead of night, the mirror doesn't dim, no matter what idiot's on your tail with their brights on.
 
I hate the horrible bulging of head and taillights.
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I do like the curvy flowing lines instead of the old boxiness. Just not to extremes...
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What's wrong with chrome? It never rusts, doesn't crack like plastic.

I can't stand chrome, black or body color is my preference.

I must correct you on one thing though, chrome isn't it's own material, it's more of a covering for an existing material, similar to paint. So when the chrome gets chipped on a steel bumper, rust will come through. Likewise, when a chrome plated plastic mirror gets chipped or hit, it will crack. It just depends on the material that the chrome is covering.

However, you can say that it can help prevent rust as long as the coating stays intact.
 
Some old cars use stainless steel bumpers, and that's really good and durable. I love chrome on older cars for sure.
 
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- The big mouth.
Mazda, Peugeot and others are all guilty of a massive front intake and then a big black bumper through the middle.

This. It possibly started with the Mitsubishi Evos (or maybe Dodge Ram trucks :lol:). Wherever it started, it seems like half of the cars out there have a huge 🤬 grille now and it's getting a little played out.
 
I really hate seeing people act like their perception of beauty is correct while another persons is not, that's ignorance imho. :p

The one trend I really hate in modern cars is the tendency to put a huge opening at the front, sometimes its ok, other times its not. 👎

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I wonder who can guess which one I like and which one I don't... nvm :p
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That's probably my favorite econo-mazda of the last 10 years and yet I don't like the new front end much at all.
 
This. It possibly started with the Mitsubishi Evos (or maybe Dodge Ram trucks :lol:). Wherever it started, it seems like half of the cars out there have a huge 🤬 grille now and it's getting a little played out.

I think it started in the mid-2000s with Audi, possibly the A8. I remember the big grille being a big deal in the car magazines at the time, so I suspect this was one of the first with it:

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Likes:

engine technology has advanced quite a bit over the past decade
parts don't wear out as often, however........ (also see dislikes)
cars rarely rust out anymore

Dislikes:

It is damn near impossible to work on your own car these days unless you have "specialty" tools or the ability to become a contortionist.

the federal mandate of tire pressure monitoring systems and stability control. 👎 :yuck:

...when something does break, the part is normally outrageously priced

the trend of giant wheels on everything. It might look decent, but when it comes time for new tires, :ouch:.

Some cars today don't even come with spare tires, just a can of fix-a-flat and an air pump. :boggled:

compact spare tires aka "donut" tires. What 🤬 invented them?
 
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Cons:
The large bloated front ends, with massive grills and even larger headlights.
Disjointed designs, many cars have a certain look in the front, a different look side, and yet another look from the rear.
Soft designs, no definition anywhere, making the car look like a large drivable blob.
Large rims with low profile tires. It's supposed to be sporty, but you can't go that fast when you bust a tire on every pot hole.
Weight, with the use of aluminum and plastics you'd think cars would be lighter. Instead you need more power to get old performance standards.
Needless accessories, I don't need rain sensing wipers or voice activated radio. Start push buttons? That what I have a key for!
Very few cheap, mildly sporty, cars are almost all FWD. I have no problem with FWD but the industry needs more cheap RWD 2 seaters/2+2s (thank you Mazda and Toyota/Subaru).
Inability to turn off most traction control aids. Most cars didn't have Traction control until the mid 90s and people didn't crash into trees at every corner.
Cheap plastic trim, looks bad and breaks far to easily.
Chrome, in small doses it looks good, but it's everywhere and looks like crap.
Automatics in sport oriented cars. At least give a manual mode!
SUVs and massive dually trucks. Most people who have them don't do anything with them (off roading/towing/hauling) or could get away with a much smaller vehicle.
Crossovers, it's a lifted wagon. I love wagons, but giving a new trendy name to an old product that you lifted a bit....

Pros:
Smaller turbo/supercharged engines. The lower weight is usually worth the narrower powerband.
The advancement of FI technologies is making turbos/superchargers perform better, and they are becoming more fuel efficient.
Traction Control systems are progressing well, becoming less intrusive and more helpful in day to day driving.
Suspension design is getting better making even the econo boxes ride decently.
Reliability is going up across the board.
Interior design is getting much better, more user friendly, and comfortable.
Paint is looking better.
HID projectors in headlights, giving you better visibility at night.
 
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Lack of pillarless doors:

Plenty of cars still have pillarless doors - any BMW or Mercedes coupe, the MINI, the new Beetle, probably a bunch more I've forgotten. I think Subaru losing them was just an exercise in cost-cutting. And maybe increasing refinement, as pillarless doors do tend to generate a little more wind noise at speed.

And the glass has a nasty habit of freezing to the rubber seal in cold weather and not letting you in, according to a friend with an Impreza :lol:
 
And the glass has a nasty habit of freezing to the rubber seal in cold weather and not letting you in, according to a friend with an Impreza :lol:

I'll have to watch out for that on my mum's MINI. I remember sometimes the doorhandles used to freeze on cars, locking you out. Not sure if it still happens with new cars, I've yet to experience it.
 
Well, there are a lot of double edged swords out there, as well as some things that are just so contradictory that I can only shake my head in disbelieve.

1: Over-designed cars. A lot of cars these days sport a design that is just so busy that they look kinda messy. BMW is quilty of that, for example (although to a lesser degree than other companies, because it still looks kinda decent on most cars). The cars come with lots of kinks and crimps and even the hood is sporting bulges and stuff. Just look at the F10 5er: Not a bad looking car, but its design seems insanely busy. Compared to cars from ten years ago, that seemed much simpler and cleaner, it seems a bit overblown. As if the designers set out to make the car look unique by all means. While keeping the current brand face, so to speak.

On the other hand, a lot of cars are very, very generic. There were enough examples mentioned in here, so I won't repeat them, but those two trends both strike me as odd; I dislike both on their own, but seeing that some designers go completely overboard with the details on the design while others poop out a driving blob that looks like someone just spitted out a bit of bubble gum - it's just strange.

If you're looking at older cars, they often had a rather distinctive shape and a clean design that wasn't very busy. The BMW Z8, for example, is styled a lot like those cars. A rather simplistic design, clean lines but still destinictive enough to tell it apart. That's a good looking car. Other examples that I liked were, for example, the FC3S RX-7. It's not even about being boxy or not... It's just that those are relatively simplistic designs that still have a lot of character.

2: A focus on good fuel economy, engine downsizing and generally environmental friendly cars. Now, this is one of those double edged swords. I think it's great to see that the car industry is focusing on these things. To a certain degree it would be, at the very least. What I dislike about is that we got to the point where being green is something that is so important that cars like the Prius, which I find to be rather uninspiring, are marketed as thee holy grail of the automotive world. Which, in itself, is all well and good. However, there are many sources claiming that the battery packs do more harm than good, and so on. I guess you catch my drift: People are being fooled into believing that their top priority should be saving the planet. By buying a car that doesn't do that.

Downsizing is part of that. Not half as bad, to me, though. I love getting good gas mileage out of a car, and I like forced induction engines with a high specific output as much as the next guy. But there's a certain appeal to naturally aspirated engines, both of large displacement and small displacement alike. It's not so much that I have a preference for a specific engine layout, it's just that there's less and less variety by the day. Cars like the Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S are becoming a rare breed, with their emphasize of a fun, NA engine, it seems. I get why that is the case, I'm just going to miss it. The most efficient engine isn't always the most fun one. Only getting that sort of engine inn high performance cars seems uncool. I suppose that it's only a matter of time until even cars like the Miata will be running turbocharged engines...

3: Increasing weight. This kinda goes hand in hand with number two. There's the focus on saving fuel and lightweigth cars would go hand in hand with that. Yet, cars get heavier and heavier. Again, something that is understandable for various reasons, such as comfort and safety, but it still seems a bit annoying to me, as well as contradictory. You want good fuel economy? Well, imagine what an engine like VW's 1.2 litre TSI could do in a car that's as light as, say, an AE86. That's some 450 pounds less to haul around... And it could still have been a rather fun car to drive.

4: Electronic safety devices. Safety is a good thing and I'd be the last one to try and argue against that. Aside from people relying on their electronic nannies a bit too much, I'd say. I generally am of the opinion that having that stuff is good, but it's also quite intrusive on a lot of cars.

5: Large HP figures for sports cars. Power isn't a bad thing. However, it's getting a bit out of hand. Especially in combination with the point above, I'd say. Cars are less and less about the driving experience, they're involving the driver not anywhere near as much as they could and should. The increasing weight is part of that problem, as well. So, for a car to feel sporty, it seems to need a lot of power... Especially when the majority of potential buyers of those sports cars don't really seem to care all that much for what their car feels and handles like. That's just my personal impression, though.

6: Feature creep. Cars are getting heavier and heavier and they're receiving more gizmos and all sorts of stuff that I don't need, in a lot of cases not even want. A/C on every car, powered windows, stuff like that. I wouldn't mind forgoing all of that, along with satnav and some fancy multimedia system in order to get a car that's a proper driver's car, feels good, is responsive and relativelyy light.

Anyways, one car that's given me a bit of hope lately is the Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S. Lightweight, with an emphasis on being a well-handling driver's car, a distinct design that's realtively clean and not too busy and even relatively good in terms of economics and enviro-friendliness, without being dull or "in your face green" as a Prius.
 
I miss the days when it was acceptable to have not inconsiderable front and rear overhangs on a car. So many cars nowadays have the wheels pushed so far out towards the corners that its tough to design a graceful front end. A great many cars have such tall front ends that just drop off into nothingness almost as soon as the wheel arch ends. While some cars look undeniably attractive and can pull off shorter overhangs, there are also a lot that can't. For example, the short, clipped overhangs work well on the Cadillac CTS. I contrast, I think the new Mercedes-Benz C-Class could've used a few more inches ahead of the front wheels - it looks rather ungainly and truncated as it currently is in my opinion. Regardless of the performance benefits, I wish larger-overhang cars would come back into style, as it gives the designers room to design a proper front end.

Another thing that bugs me is the oft-overdone mishmash of scallops, curves, bulges, and crease lines. I agree with Luminis and others who've already stated that cars these days tend to get too busy in their designs - car makers seem to have forgotten the inherent beauty that lies in simplicity. I want the lines of a car to flow unbroken from one end to the other, and TO FOLLOW THE NATURAL BELTLINE of the vehicle. So many cars have swoops and lines that go off on random tangents that create odd blisters, scallops, and bulges in cars. I'd prefer one or two character lines that run from end to end over the mishmash of angles and curves that seem to populate the sides of so many vehicles (E.g. BMW 10 years ago vs. BMW today)

What I DO like, though, is that we've finally seemed to have banished, for the most part, those big orange plastic reflector pieces from headlight clusters and front fenders. Those things annoy me so much - orange matches with virtually nothing. Every time I see a pretty car that has those things sitting somewhere I cringe at what could've been. I like the clear reflectors with amber bulbs much better!

Also, I like how headlights and taillights are generally better integrated into the car design now that in years previous. So long as they don't sit too high up they really help improve the look of the vehicle. Same for grilles, so long as they don't take up an inordinate amount of space. Mazda, go back and take Grilles 101. Helping shape the front and rear into more homogenized, organic entities has done wonders for car design.

As for interiors, I wish that more cars would move away from such somber black and gunmetal grey affairs. Again, some cars can pull it off quite nicely but interiors generally look more attractive, as far as I'm concerned, when they're brighter as it makes it more airy and easier to operate. Also, we need more wood in cars! I don't like how we've moved away from (real) wood accents in interiors - it just helps convey a sense of warmth and serenity that you can't get with all-aluminum or whatever the metal-of-the-hour is. There needs to be a balance between metal and wood trim than there currently is.
 
2: I guess you catch my drift: People are being fooled into believing that their top priority should be saving the planet. By buying a car that doesn't do that.

For the majority of people it's not directly to do with the environment. They want a car that's cheap to run, be it because of fuel consumption or tax reasons.

On the other hand goverments try to fool us into thinking higher taxes are because of environmental reasons, when they really aren't.

Few manufacturers are trying to sell their cars on green credentials these days, more on cost and savings! But again, this is because of government green policy.
 
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