This game is being ruined for me

[JamesB]

Loving the game, detesting the cheaters. I tend to play in the daily races, mainly because I feel that sometimes the lobbies can be a bit empty. Not a race goes by in the dailies without some ****wit divebombing, side smashing or generally driving like the game is GTA V. It's starting to get on my nerves a bit and, sadly is starting to ruin the game for me. Is it just me, or is this a wider issue?

 

[Shottah072]

What is your DR and SR ? In my experience DR A/S and SR S is okay, not perfect but okay. Anything below that is chaos most of the time.

 

[dylpro]

Loving the game, detesting the cheaters. I tend to play in the daily races, mainly because I feel that sometimes the lobbies can be a bit empty. Not a race goes by in the dailies without some ****wit divebombing, side smashing or generally driving like the game is GTA V. It's starting to get on my nerves a bit and, sadly is starting to ruin the game for me. Is it just me, or is this a wider issue?

What's your SR/DR? It does get marginally better the higher you get. The best advice I can offer is assume everyone is an idiot and be aware of their actions until proven otherwise. I constantly check my rear view and try watching my peripheral best I can. If I see someone making a move that looks overly aggressive I do whatever I can in my power to avoid it.

BTW, I wouldn't consider these idiots "cheating". Just idiots. There's ways to counter what they're doing

 

[jesQuick]

It's the weekend. More kids and more intoxicated adults.

 

[Sander 001]

Loving the game, detesting the cheaters. I tend to play in the daily races, mainly because I feel that sometimes the lobbies can be a bit empty. Not a race goes by in the dailies without some ****wit divebombing, side smashing or generally driving like the game is GTA V. It's starting to get on my nerves a bit and, sadly is starting to ruin the game for me. Is it just me, or is this a wider issue?

I’m finding way fewer experiences like that when my SR is higher. Remember that it’s not just about getting your SR rating to S.

 

[baldgye]

I’m at DR-B and SR-S and my races tend to be alright, although I’ve now backed off going into a race unless I’ve done some 30mins quali time alone first.

I think that the only way to really make sure you have good races it to try and be the fastest and most consistent you can be. That way you’ll lead from the front until your DR level matches you with equal drivers, then unless your DR-S keep working on the lap time and consistency.


I remember when I did league racing, I would do at least 2-300 laps and even then I wouldn’t be perfect in the race.


I used to do about 10 laps in quali and then loaded up a Sport race and I wasn’t having a bad time, so I’ve moved to approach each daily like a mini league race.

 

[pedrocor]

Not necessarily higher ranks are better, some SR "S" races are pretty bad.
I think generally things are getting a bit better, but depends on many things including the time of the day, the car involved (the trolleys for some reason seem to think they are too good for slower cars, prefer gr.3 or Megane Cup races to one make MX-5 or FT86 races) and so.
But, apart from iRacing, I think it's no worst than other racing games on online races.

 

[Oizon21]

If you qualified or get to position 5 and up you will see quite clean race. Usually top 5-3 don't do stupid moves.
Also it worth to check replays and make sure that it is not your driving style at fault. In the race you will think that you was always right, but after watching replay you can change your mind sometimes. I'm not pro racer but I'm always trying to learn something new, even about myself, and it helps a lot.
Rear view mirror will show that other racers are far away, but in reality they are just on your tail.

 

[daan]

It's the weekend. More kids and more intoxicated adults.

The Gr3 Atenza road car race at Dragon Trail yesterday started off as the best race ever, but by late afternoon/early evening, the driving standards had tailed off significantly and it turned into a nightmare.

 

[Foxis]

Loving the game, detesting the cheaters. I tend to play in the daily races, mainly because I feel that sometimes the lobbies can be a bit empty. Not a race goes by in the dailies without some ****wit divebombing, side smashing or generally driving like the game is GTA V. It's starting to get on my nerves a bit and, sadly is starting to ruin the game for me. Is it just me, or is this a wider issue?

It is a wider issue. Higher levels are pretty much FUBAR as well. Granted it is better in A/S, but still a long shot from equivalent classes in something like iRacing. So PD can probably kiss their FIA sanctioned eSport goodbye quite soon.

 

[baldgye]

The Gr3 Atenza road car race at Dragon Trail yesterday started off as the best race ever, but by late afternoon/early evening, the driving standards had tailed off significantly and it turned into a nightmare.

Wonder what a survey of GT Sport players ages would bring up, and how that would effect racing...

 

[Foxis]

Wonder what a survey of GT Sport players ages would bring up, and how that would effect racing...

Do not think it is purely an age issue. My son is young and races far cleaner and more disciplined than most. I think surveying upbringing and social status would probably yield more interesting results. Those behaving badly in RL will behave badly in a game as well.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It has been getting better for me lately. I haven't added anyone to my block list in a few days.
My SR is maxed out, 2/3rd into B which is about my level. Highest was 82% into B, yet I can't keep up with A drivers.
Sat Dec 16 2017 10:23:10 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) -> DR:23734 | SR:99/99 | Races:461 | DPUR:69

I usually get matched with A and B drivers, sometimes an S or 2. Start in 5th to 12th place, usually 7 or 8. (I guess that's what the matchmaking is aiming for with your DR rating) There is still plenty of bad driving going on, however after this many races I've gotten pretty good at avoiding the carnage. It's better to let aggressive drivers go ahead and wreck themselves than being the one wrecked. I often drop a few positions in the first few corners that way, which I easily make back later and finish a couple places above where I start. I should do longer races to get further (always doing daily B for time constraints)

Always drive with radar, check mirrors, time gap, lag and learn to anticipate pack behavior. Position yourself where you have an escape. If you see someone diving for your inside, brake more to let them through, fall in behind or on the inside of them when they overshoot. If they hold on and get ahead, go on the inside in the next corner and cling to the curb. Sometimes they'll hit you at the apex yet you'll be safe enough and they'll lose enough time from that for you to get ahead. In my experience dive bombers never stay on the road long.

I only go side by side into corners with cars I've seen drive well. Otherwise it's always better to fall in behind and overtake them later. Side by side on the outside in a corner, you have to have a lot of faith in the person on the inside.

Sometimes it feels more like dodge ball, but I get as much satisfaction out of surviving a crash fest as finishing well.

It doesn't always work. There's not much you can do about shamelessly pushing you off-road while overtaking or blocking and braking in front of you at the finish. Oh well that's what the block list is for. Perhaps one day PD will take that into account while matchmaking.

 

[GTP_Patrick1]

The Gr3 Atenza road car race at Dragon Trail yesterday started off as the best race ever, but by late afternoon/early evening, the driving standards had tailed off significantly and it turned into a nightmare.

Yep a bunch of us were on last night, and the racing at Dragon Tail was pretty bad. I quit after one race as did a few other of my friends. Shame because that car was fun to drive.

 

[Toblakai99]

Only my second day playing today but I made quite a few mistakes today mainly because of tiredness and bad decisions.Gtsport requires a clear mind and steady hand and what's with beetle drivers acting the fool.

 

[JamesB]

What is your DR and SR ? In my experience DR A/S and SR S is okay, not perfect but okay. Anything below that is chaos most of the time.

Currently SR-B and DR - C, so hardly perfect, but it annoys me that you get down marked when you get hit by other players. Classic example today, the daily race A (Nurburgring GP/Focus ST). I'm having a good, but clean tussle with a German guy for 5th/6th place. Giving each other loads of room and some quite respectful driving over the three laps. Final lap and some absolute **** comes from 8th place into the first turn (hairpin right), overtakes the 7th place guy, divebombs me into the guy I've been racing with and puts us both into the wall. The dive bomber carries on and gets something like 4th or 5th and I get an orange SR marking as a result. Literally, no race I've had today has been without incident. Group 3 race at Interlagos, deliberately sideswiped off the circuit at the last 90 degree left onto the run up to the start/finish straight. I was in 4th and finished 6th as a result of the *** who decided it was fun to ruin other people's games.

 

[baldgye]

Do not think it is purely an age issue. My son is young and races far cleaner and more disciplined than most. I think surveying upbringing and social status would probably yield more interesting results. Those behaving badly in RL will behave badly in a game as well.

You think the problem is class?
I know very wealthy people and people living on benefits who equally behave horribly.

I didn’t say it was an age problem, I’d just be curious what sort of times people generally played and then see how that effected the standard of play.

I’ve had some good races on a Sunday morning, but I don’t jump to the conclusion that people who go to church are bad drivers in Sport mode

 

[gh3]

B/S but trust me the ranking is far from being acceptable.
It's a week I'm experiencing bad races in both daily event and FIA GT ones: ppl running wide, late brakes, pinball masters.
Driver not looking in the mirror and closing the door even if you are the inside line... and all those are ranked in B/S.

You will say move to upper rank, easy to say, but if you got rimmed and move from the front to last position, is not that helping to rank up.

As it is said, it's a snake that is biting its own tail...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Well, today it seems impossible to get in a clean race on Interlagos at DR.B SR.S.

It was getting progressively worse as well. I was still managing to get a blue or white SR rating at the end, one race I was the only white in the middle of an all red field with only pole position getting away with a blue rating at the end. The next race I couldn't escape the corner cutting pushing me into other cars anymore either and went from 7th to 14th in the first lap avoiding corner cutting dive manoevers. Rewarded with a red rating after getting pinballed into the car next to me a few times. So I swapped to daily race A, totally clean, all blue field.

GR.3 on Interlagos, avoid, what a mess. My DR rating tanked 3000 points in 7 races, mid DR.B now, SR still maxed at least. Let the crash happy move onto DR.A and fight each other.

 

[ghostrider135]

At the OP its a wider issue and from my experience SR makes no difference as to how clean a race will generally be, I consider myself more than fair as an opponent and have been SR/S a few times, Both times however I've also been knocked back to SR/B thanks to morons who can't drive and decide to use my brakes instead of going around me as well as crowding off-track.

I did however have one strangely clean race yesterday with the Ford Focus, I didn't bother to qualify because frankly I joined to drop my DR down abit, I started 9th and finished 4th, Which all things considered was pretty good, The scoreboard still showed a few people with time penalties though and this was SR/B.

You'd think people might have learnt by now that racing clean is faster than not

 

[Foxis]

You think the problem is class?
I know very wealthy people and people living on benefits who equally behave horribly.

I think exactly what I said: That problem behaviour in games is perpetrated by the same type of people prone to it in real life, and is more dependent on upbringing and societal status than age. As for societal status being a factor, it *is* a factor when you look at crime statistics.

So, a young kid with a good moral compass (due to his parents teaching him the difference between right and wrong) will understand sportsmanship. A 30+ guy with a bad upbringing likely will not.

 

[LBDN123]

Loving the game, detesting the cheaters. I tend to play in the daily races, mainly because I feel that sometimes the lobbies can be a bit empty. Not a race goes by in the dailies without some ****wit divebombing, side smashing or generally driving like the game is GTA V. It's starting to get on my nerves a bit and, sadly is starting to ruin the game for me. Is it just me, or is this a wider issue?

I think its you.

I have had very little issue with other people at all other than the odd incident.

 

[baldgye]

I think exactly what I said: That problem behaviour in games is perpetrated by the same type of people prone to it in real life, and is more dependent on upbringing and societal status than age. As for societal status being a factor, it *is* a factor when you look at crime statistics.

I think if Motorsport has proven one thing, it’s that brilliant drivers can and do come from any social standing.

 

[Potato_Head]

For some reason I drive better intoxicated.

Might not put that theory into real life practice though...

 

[JamesB]

I think its you.

I have had very little issue with other people at all other than the odd incident.

Really? Had my last race at about 5pm today. Plenty of people racing clean, but a LOT racing dirty. Deliberately pushing people into the wall ( ffs one guy literally swerved across the width of the track to take out the guy in front of me, just because he had the audacity to take the previous corner better than him), divebombing people into walls, nudging from behind, mid-corner. I can only imagine that there are a lot of casual players who aren't bothered to say something.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

At the OP its a wider issue and from my experience SR makes no difference as to how clean a race will generally be, I consider myself more than fair as an opponent and have been SR/S a few times, Both times however I've also been knocked back to SR/B thanks to morons who can't drive and decide to use my brakes instead of going around me as well as crowding off-track.

I did however have one strangely clean race yesterday with the Ford Focus, I didn't bother to qualify because frankly I joined to drop my DR down abit, I started 9th and finished 4th, Which all things considered was pretty good, The scoreboard still showed a few people with time penalties though and this was SR/B.

You'd think people might have learnt by now that racing clean is faster than not

I'm afraid the opposite is happening, at least on some tracks, especially Interlagos. I did 5 races there today in DR.B/SR.S and all 5 the same things happened.

People bunch up naturally at the chicane go side by side, cut over the green etc, yet surviving the first corner is just the start. Now there's 2 options when you're behind a group of cars going through a corner together at slower than optimum pace as that's not possible with 2 or 3 cars next to each other. You can:

A. Hold back a bit and aim for a fast corner exit, pass the last car on the straight and fall in. This is risky as the car you just passed likely won't give you any room at the next corner and now you're trapped.

B. Aim for the inside of the apex, cut the corner a bit, brake late, use the inside car as a bumper and instantly gain 3 or more places. As a bonus the car you hit will hit the car beside him and so forth knocking at least someone out of the track. One less to worry about coming back.

B will give you a single meaningless penalty while screwing up the pack with a very good chance to get ahead of them all. A will likely make you the victim of someone using B as a strategy and even if not, it has the chance of racking up multiple penalties just by rubbing around the corners a bit without anyone really getting in trouble.

Ergo, over the long run, the game awards bad behavior as a winning strategy. In 5 races today, every single race, B again and again. As long as the game doesn't make you give back positions gained after a bump it will not change.

There can be clean streaks as well where everyone is doing their best race clean. Yet what I have seen is that once it starts, things get worse first race after race with the same people getting put together again and again. Best to try a different daily race for a while when one is currently poisoned.

 

[spainy79]

The Gr3 Atenza road car race at Dragon Trail yesterday started off as the best race ever, but by late afternoon/early evening, the driving standards had tailed off significantly and it turned into a nightmare.

I was enjoying this race last night as well until someone that I overtook for 3rd slammed into me going into the first hard left turn which pushed me off track and into the wall. That didn't bother me as much as having my SR docked when it wasn't even my fault. That is what is really ruining the game for me. I'm trying to up my SR rating and something like that happens. Rubbing is racing and all that good stuff (what I described is a bit extreme) but my SR should not lower because of someone else's dirty racing method.

 

[LBDN123]

Really? Had my last race at about 5pm today. Plenty of people racing clean, but a LOT racing dirty. Deliberately pushing people into the wall ( ffs one guy literally swerved across the width of the track to take out the guy in front of me, just because he had the audacity to take the previous corner better than him), divebombing people into walls, nudging from behind, mid-corner. I can only imagine that there are a lot of casual players who aren't bothered to say something.

You asked if we thought it was you or not? Based on no actual visible evidence and only two options i simply guessed you were the issue?

I sense this wasnt the response you wanted and therefore your post was actually a rhetorical question which essentially means this is yet another entirely pointless moaning thread requiring no response because frankly you dont want anyone to disagree with you.

 

[JamesB]

You asked if we thought it was you or not? Based on no actual visible evidence and only two options i simply guessed you were the issue?

I sense this wasnt the response you wanted and therefore your post was actually a rhetorical question which essentially means this is yet another entirely pointless moaning thread requiring no response because frankly you dont want anyone to disagree with you.

Umm? I'm open to any replies, but if you start you reply with "I think it's just you", based on no evidence to the contrary, then we're pretty much at deadlock aren't we? I say I've had problems, you say you haven't. Despite your quasi-intelligent post, you haven't progressed the discussion any further than telling me to stop moaning which is, if I'm honest, a tacit way of saying 'please don't post stuff that I don't want to read'.

So thanks for your input, I'm impressed with your zen-like ability to ignore the numerous bell ends in the game and enjoy GTS.

 

[PirovacBoy]

I'm afraid the opposite is happening, at least on some tracks, especially Interlagos. I did 5 races there today in DR.B/SR.S and all 5 the same things happened.

People bunch up naturally at the chicane go side by side, cut over the green etc, yet surviving the first corner is just the start. Now there's 2 options when you're behind a group of cars going through a corner together at slower than optimum pace as that's not possible with 2 or 3 cars next to each other. You can:

A. Hold back a bit and aim for a fast corner exit, pass the last car on the straight and fall in. This is risky as the car you just passed likely won't give you any room at the next corner and now you're trapped.

B. Aim for the inside of the apex, cut the corner a bit, brake late, use the inside car as a bumper and instantly gain 3 or more places. As a bonus the car you hit will hit the car beside him and so forth knocking at least someone out of the track. One less to worry about coming back.

B will give you a single meaningless penalty while screwing up the pack with a very good chance to get ahead of them all. A will likely make you the victim of someone using B as a strategy and even if not, it has the chance of racking up multiple penalties just by rubbing around the corners a bit without anyone really getting in trouble.

Ergo, over the long run, the game awards bad behavior as a winning strategy. In 5 races today, every single race, B again and again. As long as the game doesn't make you give back positions gained after a bump it will not change.

There can be clean streaks as well where everyone is doing their best race clean. Yet what I have seen is that once it starts, things get worse first race after race with the same people getting put together again and again. Best to try a different daily race for a while when one is currently poisoned.

Yet what I have seen is that once it starts, things get worse first race after race with the same people getting put together again and again.

I was driving yesterday the daily race A with the Ford Focus, and was matched amongst other things with 2 GTP Members , Famine and Crispy74. And although the first of a total of 12 races i drove was quite dirty, I got matched all the 12 races with the same 5 or 6 guys the whole time , we managed to keep it super clean after the first crashfest. We calmed down and fought it out clean and respectful.
I won 10 of those races and the guys behind me really knew how to put pressure on me the whole time but they never went for a dirty move. I even got a streak of 8 clean races in a row.

A few days ago, i posted in another thread that i‘m done with Daily races and would give up on them. I couldn’t. It was the right decision. Just to let you know I drove a total of 652 Sport Mode races so i‘m quite familiar with any kind of behaviour on track.

From my experience I can only say that almost all of my races were clean, as soon as i understood which races to enter at what time. I mostly play early in the morning and late beyond let’s say 11pm. I get matched up very often with the same people and it’s almost like driving in open lobbies. We treat each other respectfully and have a really good time. What I hate most are people who drive honorless trying to overtake at any cost. Those few moments almost made me stop playing.
Edit: Sorry for my strange English I hope it’s understandable.