Thoughts on Series Races

[phonypoly]

you suck then....

(this series isn't very hard, especially with T2s, no pits and starting from 6th. The car doesn't evne need all the HP upgrades either.)



Different tire strategies. Even the AI does this, though not so good.

Could it be that, the European version of the game, differs from the Canadian version??

 

[Famine]

Yes it is. But the difference is not enough to allow me to win by a lap and you to get caned by 3s in the first two corners. The difference is that you haven't learned how to drive, or how to drive the track, or how to drive the car, or how to set the car up, or tyre strategy.

I forgot about this from daan. THAT was an acheivement.

And be careful what you accuse him of - he's nearer to you than I am, 4 inches taller than me and 60lbs heavier.

 

[kensei]

Could it be that, the European version of the game, differs from the Canadian version??

No, you just suck.

(there are difference between the PAL and NTSC versions but nothing that would do this)

 

[phonypoly]

No, you just suck.

(there are difference between the PAL and NTSC versions but nothing that would do this)

Hey, Kensei, if you Ken'tsei anything good, don't bother sei-ng it 👎 (sarcasm mispelling)

 

[kensei]

Hey, Kensei, if you Ken'tsei anything good, don't bother sei-ng it 👎 (sarcasm mispelling)

I was just being honest with you. You asked.

 

[Duke]

OK, lets everybody move on now, shall we? phonypoly, if you're going to give attitude, you're going to get it. I know you apologized in one thread, but not everybody's seen that. Let it go already.

 

[demon of speed]

I don't bother with the practice lap when starting races. I have always found it unessesary since the days of GT 1. When playing a series I win up to race 9 and then do the save/reload trick if the car is not what I want. Then I go back and complete race 10, and move on to another series until I have fully completed the league and recieved the prize car (the ameture league rewards you hansomly).

 

[phonypoly]

Yes it is. But the difference is not enough to allow me to win by a lap and you to get caned by 3s in the first two corners. The difference is that you haven't learned how to drive, or how to drive the track, or how to drive the car, or how to set the car up, or tyre strategy.

I forgot about this from daan. THAT was an acheivement.

And be careful what you accuse him of - he's nearer to you than I am, 4 inches taller than me and 60lbs heavier.

SO, in other words, i was able to beat the F1 races(high speed, with barely no room for error) but i can't drive a Pitz?? darn!!

 

[Duke]

See, low-powered cars are all about momentum, particularly in a very close-matched group like the Pro Vitz. Smooth is the key word. Drive as smoothly as possible and stay out of the walls. Brake early and be easy on the throttle - you'll be amazed at how much time you pick up. Sometimes you gotta drive slow to be fast.

Watch the SCCA Valvoline Runoffs this year if you get the Speed Channel. You'll see some incredible racing in some very low-powered cars.

 

[phonypoly]

See, low-powered cars are all about momentum, particularly in a very close-matched group like the Pro Vitz. Smooth is the key word. Drive as smoothly as possible and stay out of the walls. Brake early and be easy on the throttle - you'll be amazed at how much time you pick up. Sometimes you gotta drive slow to be fast.

Watch the SCCA Valvoline Runoffs this year if you get the Speed Channel. You'll see some incredible racing in some very low-powered cars.

I guess i was born to........fly!! Thanks!!

 

[kensei]

SO, in other words, i was able to beat the F1 races(high speed, with barely no room for error) but i can't drive a Pitz?? darn!!

I agree with neon_duke....stay smooth with low powered cars and carry as much speed as you can through corners.

The F1 cars have a huge margin for error. In GT3 the more power you have the more it masks ones lack of driving ability. Meaning you can get out of alot of situations with that extra power. An example would be using the Escudo with 1500+hp vs say a 278hp NSX at midfield. The NSX will destroy you on the corners due to it's handling but the mega grunt of the escudo will make up for all that time on the main straight, you may even pass the NSX going into the first turn on each lap.

The F1 races are not very challenging, even starting from the back with any F1 other than the F094s/h (though it gets slightly harder with the f686/87/88). The AI is horrible and you can just out drive it with no worries. I wouldn't call winning the F1 races a showcase of "skill".

Winning the a series with slower cars, like the Vitz, is.

 

[phonypoly]

I agree with neon_duke....stay smooth with low powered cars and carry as much speed as you can through corners.

The F1 cars have a huge margin for error. In GT3 the more power you have the more it masks ones lack of driving ability. Meaning you can get out of alot of situations with that extra power. An example would be using the Escudo with 1500+hp vs say a 278hp NSX at midfield. The NSX will destroy you on the corners due to it's handling but the mega grunt of the escudo will make up for all that time on the main straight, you may even pass the NSX going into the first turn on each lap.

The F1 races are not very challenging, even starting from the back with any F1 other than the F094s/h (though it gets slightly harder with the f686/87/88). The AI is horrible and you can just out drive it with no worries. I wouldn't call winning the F1 races a showcase of "skill".

Winning the a series with slower cars, like the Vitz, is.

I really think your game is different than mine, coz i was just going through old Threads/posts etc.... and about the F1 races, and all i see, is lap times that are about the same as what i got, by berely winning them, by only a few seconds..??(F1 Series)

 

[kensei]

I really think your game is different than mine, coz i was just going through old Threads/posts etc.... and about the F1 races, and all i see, is lap times that are about the same as what i got, by berely winning them, by only a few seconds..??(F1 Series)

Well the F1 cars are different between the PAL and NTSC, PAL has two, NTSC has six. Though as i remember both games have the F094/s or h, under different names, which is the fastest F1 car.

The fact I read you were driving the F090/s means you have the NTSC version, the same as I do.

I haven't run the f1 races in a long time, I avoid them as much as I can since I find them painful to do. That being said i don't remember them being a huge challenge. I am working through a final GT3 game to 100% and all I have left is the f1 series so I be running it in the next few days, I'll let you know what happened if you care. I'll be using the f094/s for the mere fact I just want to get them over with as fast as I can.

I'm not talking about winning by laps, but over 30+ seconds.

 

[Duke]

The only problem I had with the F1 series was my first try at Monaco. I was tired and I kept overcooking the tires. I tried again later when I was rested, and drove for smoothness, and I had no trouble getting a 30"+ MOV. I was using the F094/H, slightly slower than the F094/S. I plan to try it again in the F090/S.

 

[Famine]

SO, in other words, i was able to beat the F1 races(high speed, with barely no room for error) but i can't drive a Pitz?

Yes.


Take, if you will, an F1 lap at Midfield. My best is 50.1, so we'll go with that. Say you're 4% slower on one lap, just because. It happens. You'll pull a 52.1, roughly. Big wow. It's nearly no difference at all.

Now take my own Yaris lap at SSR11R - a 2'07 lap. Say you're 4% slower on one lap - now you're doing a 2'12 lap - that's 5 seconds suddenly that the AI rip out of you.


Driving FFs is not everyone's cup of tea, and not everyone - even if they're extremely competant with the faster cars - is any good with it. Personally I love driving FFs and SSR11R is my favourite track with no exception. But YOU don't have to be good at it. Then again, you don't have to accuse everyone else who's better than you at it of being a cheat/liar - especially when you're wallriding.

What was your time for the F1 Championship at, say Seattle?

 

[phonypoly]

I didn't have to much trouble at Cote d'azur(Monaco) 16+ seconds lead, but at Laguna Seca, it was really close, 4.6 seconds lead and Tokyo, 4.1 seconds lead!
I just re-tried the Vitz SSR1, using T3 f and T5 r, but........ 👎 I just can't keep up!!Even after steading the replay of the other cars, and.... having a co-pilot, telling me... speed/gear etc..... 👎 And ...why is it that, one of the cars, pits at the end of lap 4 and, then again, at the end of lap 9 and not 8??Not that it would've matter to me, but......??

 

[Famine]

And I - nowhere near the record for the Monaco race - put 5 laps on the field.

Try allieing those tyres to my set-up. You'll find that the one complements the other.


AI pit strategy is curious. All too often they'll rob you of a decent race by pitting going into the last lap.

 

[Azuremen]

AI pit... strategy?? You mean the AI has one?? O_O

Low power FF cars take time to get use to. I spent over 2 hours tuning my Vitz 1.5 RS in prep for the race, fiddling with the suspension and LSD mostly. That also taught me alot on how to drive it, and I was testing on the Grand Valley Speedway Reverse, in the qualification for the Pro Vitz (just did the race stand alone, I like GVS Rev, so yeah)

As has been stated before, slow in and fast out, much like racing on ice in real life (which I've done... scary stuffs) Thats how I do it, lets you line up for the exit sooner and get on the gas without suffering from the massive understeer you would trying to full it and turn.

I just went to Midfield, and put down a 1:20.237 on T2 Tires all around.

I'll put on the settings and power output...

292 HP

Settings - Front / Rear
Spring Rate - 4.6 / 4.2
Ride Hieght - 94 / 94
Shock Bound- 7 / 7
Shock Rebound- 7 / 7
Camber Angle- 3.3 / 2.2
Toe Angle- 0.5 / -0.5
Stablizer- 3 / 4
Brakes- 10 / 10
LSD Inital 5
LSD Accel. 38
LSD Decel. 5

ASM - 0
TCS - 3

Now, Phonypoly, please drop the attitude to some degree... even if you have apologized for it, it really doesn't help your standings with members.

 

[phonypoly]

Attitude dropped 👎 All i'm trying to find, is some settings for the Vitz at SSR11 👍
I just watched my replay of F1, F094/S, at Laguna Seca's, 33 laps:1st; 37'33.331(18.005+)(spun around twice at the drop and once at the last corner 👎 )pit intervals at: 7, 14, 21, 28
I'm gonna watch Tokyo and then.....

 

[Azuremen]

All right, if the attitude is vanishing (Y)

Next.. the mystery of paragraphs

Those are the setting I used for SSR11, but I can't remember what my gearing was. Try those, or the ones that are up in the Vitz write up, which look way different than my own. I still don't understand the tuning of the shocks, so I just leave them alone... <_<

 

[phonypoly]

All right, if the attitude is vanishing (Y)
Next.. the mystery of paragraphs
Those are the setting I used for SSR11, but I can't remember what my gearing was. Try those, or the ones that are up in the Vitz write up, which look way different than my own. I still don't understand the tuning of the shocks, so I just leave them alone... <_<

That's alot of camber, but, hey.... 👍 i'll give it a shot!! 👍 Thanks! 👍

 

[Uncle Harry]

Camber : front 4 and back two.
Have a look at real race cars and see what they run.
In Australia V8 Supercars they run up to 6 on the front.

 

[Azuremen]

My tires last as well, which is usually the issue running "high" camber.

I just comprimise between tires and traction stuffs, its how it goes.

 

[Uncle Harry]

All suspension settings are a comprimise. Make A FWD turn in well at low speed and you will have some high speed understeer on faster corners. Comprimising to make it work to how you like to drive is the trick.

 

[Famine]

All i'm trying to find, is some settings for the Vitz at SSR11

The ones I already linked you to are the ones I used. And I set the #1 record for the race.

I just watched my replay of F1, F094/S, at Laguna Seca's, 33 laps:1st; 37'33.331(18.005+)

Just checked on my time. 36'46.932. In the P002!

 

[kensei]

I sat down and ran the Monaco F1 last night with the F090/s. I started from 6th. By I got around the entire field by the end of lap 1. By lap 2 I had a 5 second lead on the f094/s. By lap 17 I have lapped the field up to 2nd. By lap 28 I lapped the f094/s. By lap 36 I was relapping the back of the field. I was pitting every 9-10 laps. I got bored at lap 38 and turned the PS2 off and went to bed. All laps raced to OLR rules (no wall touches or AI contact)

So it really isn't much of a challenge. I think for the series I will run the f688/s, maybe then it will be more fun.

Maybe I'll try the vitz SS11 tonight after my run. ANything but an F1 car.

 

[phonypoly]

...
Maybe I'll try the vitz SS11 tonight after my run. ANything but an F1 car.

I'm just so positive, you'll do really really good at it and i'm just so anxious to hear your....results/settings etc...

 

[kensei]

I'm just so positive, you'll do really really good at it and i'm just so anxious to hear your....results/settings etc...

You are one sarcastic little runt aren't you? Why can't you just leave it alone and keep your thoughts to yourself if you have nothing better to say than a dig. Weren't you the one who told me that yesterday.

uggh.

 

[phonypoly]

You are one sarcastic little runt aren't you? Why can't you just leave it alone and keep your thoughts to yourself if you have nothing better to say than a dig. Weren't you the one who told me that yesterday.

uggh.

There's just not getting through to you, is it?? If i kindly asked you, never to reply to my messages again, and you insist in doing so, like in the Pro Vitz Writeups etc...., now, who's the one who can't let go, you or me? And i wasn't being sarcastic, i'm simply eager to know your settings etc..., but since you put it this way... 👎 no input from you needed, ever!!Thanks ! Have a nice ...life!!
"We need to dig and learn from our past, in orther to...better our future"

 

[kensei]

There's just not getting through to you, is it?? If i kindly asked you, never to reply to my messages again, and you insist in doing so, like in the Pro Vitz Writeups etc...., now, who's the one who can't let go, you or me? And i wasn't being sarcastic, i'm simply eager to know your settings etc..., but since you put it this way... 👎 no input from you needed, ever!!Thanks ! Have a nice ...life!!
"We need to dig and learn from our past, in orther to...better our future"

"I'm just so positive, you'll do really really good at it" - given our history in these threads over the past few days and your general smartass attitude. How do you expect me to take that snippy little comment?

When you are spamming 6 threads with the same topic and discussing the SAME THING with the same people - it is hard to ignore you. It seems there is no getting through to you. I can count over 10 people who have commented negatively on your posts and attitude over the past few days. Me included.

Frankly this Vitz @ SS11 issue intrigues me since I don't remember it being that big of a deal. I haven't run it in a while so I can't comment on specifics until I do. I'll run it tonight and offer my settings and times.

When requesting settings don't expect them to be magic for you. Everyone is different and settings rarely apply over two people. Use them as a baseline to tweak out your own settings though, they are a great place to start.