Tiff Needell tests gt4 on 5th gear

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Gabkicks
Anyone know anything about Jeremy's portfolio?
oh he once won the famous 24 hours endurance competition of bull**** babbling and the grand prix of ultra biased car reviews. apart from that he once stole colin mcrae's wrc focus and crashed it right in the first corner.
 
Gabkicks
Anyone know anything about Jeremy's portfolio?

I think the 1.50 around the Top Gear test track in the Suzuki Liana just about sums it up but, in all fairness to him, he doesn't claim to be anything other than a distinctly average driver.
 
Driftster
No anything is not possible with the motivation. That's the biggest lie in the world. Do you realize the poverty line in America is SOOOOO below the actual poverty line? Hence the phrase "Working poor" I really doubt you have the chance to be a great driver when the only motor vehicle you can get ahold of is either a stolen ATV or a used power wheel....

You've got to be joking me.

Have you actually SEEN poverty in the USA?
Have you actually SEEN poverty in third world countries?
kthxbye
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so what??? everyone sucked at GT4 their first times around. You're like woah... you have to brake BEFORE the turn
 
SiGNAL
so what??? everyone sucked at GT4 their first times around. You're like woah... you have to brake BEFORE the turn

Oh yes indeed i completely agree!

My dearest wish is that whilst Tiff was with Kaz perhaps they could have got down to a serious discusion about REAL car physics, and REAL car handling, all through an interpreter of course.

Oh and BTW,
to the guy's who think that Tiff's crash at 'Lemans' doesn't qualify him to critique the game, then i'm sorry but you're wrong. Because this means that Tiff knows for REAL where the REAL limit is. Think about it?

Cheers
Gram.
 
I will (hopefully) be recording it on Friday (Sky+) so if anyone is desperate for it I can transfer it to DVD or Video. PAL format of course.
 
Cool stuff. And thanks to having to download it as a bittorrent and the way finalgear.com is set up, I finally got a bittorrent client that works half way decent behind my school's packet shaper and firewalls.
 
lunchbox147
Tiff needell who is a retired racing driver and car tester was amazed how realistic the game feels.

Did they show him how realistic the AI feel ?

Or did he play only one time against another single player ?

By the way : if he crashed , then he's not SO goo.d
 
Driftster
No anything is not possible with the motivation. That's the biggest lie in the world.

I'm not surprised that you think that. Especially with that attitude but everything has to start somewhere. I seriously doubt that all the worlds f1 drivers and rally drivers etc. had stupidly rich parents. Sure it may cost money but my uncle built is own Mark I Escort Cosworth race car for less than £2,000 and it beat a CLK Touring Car. I found this especially surprising once I found out that one brake disk on the CLK cost more than my uncles whole car. My uncle lives in a flat near the outskirts of my home town and my grandad is most certainly not rich so how that is a lie I dont know.
 
Also, this racer guy probably doesn't play video games at all, I'm assuming that of course, When I first got GT in '97 it took me a couple races to get used to the feel, now it's obviously way different in GT4, it would take someone a while to get used to the feel of a game.
 
Racing costs way, way to much really. Yes its possible to build oyur own car etc. buts for me to start karting or whatever is just too expensive. Its a real shame too because I can throw a kart around a track quicker than anyone I know.
 
I agree with GramN. I seriously doubt if any of us are worthy to carry the man's luggage. Tiff may not be the best in the world, but he has accomplished more than most pro racers, and knows his wheels. Besides, he's a dashing chap.
 
A5H
I wouldn't say he was thrashed... He attempted to take a corner flat out like he would in real life... He went off the track and that was it...
That Kaz guy also had pole...
He allegedly drove all 745 or something cars from the game in real life... I'd say that makes him pretty qualified... Notice how cool he was when the rear end of the real 350Z came out...
Tiff also said that the game has too much movement on the lemans straight... Since he did it in real life I guess he can comment best...

Ash


LOL 👍

Only Just Noticed, "That Kaz Guy" U Owe Him More Than You Currently think, Trust Me,

Tm
 
Driftster
Is the games creator a professional driver or atleast a well known accomplished driver? If not it doesn't make sense a driver being beaten by a GAMER in a driving sim.

game creator has many sportscars including a Ford GT....he ovioulsy at least race them on tracks like Fuji,Suzuka and stuff...

edit:
thanks for the finalgear link I tought it was definitely dead but guess I was wrong :) Tiff rocks yeah but GT4 needs some time to "feel" a car.
Think about the Ford GT lol
 
fiend
some of us haven't seen it yet.. u shouldn't have. not like it's a movie but still.. i'd prefer finding it all out as i'm watching it.

Sorry, I was thinking more of those that hadn't seen it & weren't able to (56k users, people that can't be bothered to download it etc). Still if you didn't want to spoil any suprises then it probably would have been best to avoid this thread until you had! :)
 
vtec_guy
I'm not surprised that you think that. Especially with that attitude but everything has to start somewhere. I seriously doubt that all the worlds f1 drivers and rally drivers etc. had stupidly rich parents. Sure it may cost money but my uncle built is own Mark I Escort Cosworth race car for less than £2,000 and it beat a CLK Touring Car. I found this especially surprising once I found out that one brake disk on the CLK cost more than my uncles whole car. My uncle lives in a flat near the outskirts of my home town and my grandad is most certainly not rich so how that is a lie I dont know.

Really, a Mark I Escort Cosworth beat a CLK Touring car with 470hp and weighs only 1080 kg? And it only cost him £2000 to build?

Please send me a picture of this Cosworth.
 
alech
By the way : if he crashed , then he's not SO goo.d

It wasn't so much a crash - more he tried taking a particular corner the same way he did it when he drove it in a *real* car and he came off the road a bit. :D

Also, he only lost by (I think) 1.832 seconds. Not a huge amount for someone new to GT4. :)
 
pimpin_t
Really, a Mark I Escort Cosworth beat a CLK Touring car with 470hp and weighs only 1080 kg? And it only cost him £2000 to build?

Please send me a picture of this Cosworth.
yeah i don't believe that either. maybe the clk drove in reverse? :)
 
In this world. Everyone has always have to start something fresh from start. No one is good at the beginning. Only practice makes up the difference. In this world.
Their are the gifted ones. Those are the people that is good at doing certain things.

I would say He is very good consider someone haven't play the game. May be He had some practice or multiple takes. Just that He doesn't have the time to play it like any GT players have.
 
vtec_guy
I cant wait to see ths episode on friday. Is top gear back on now as well?

I have huge amounts of respect for real racing drivers, especially f1 drivers. It's simple really. I mean at the end of the day you may be able to lap Suzuka faster than a touring car driver or beat a Falken GT-R around the ring in GT4 but it isn't even close to the real thing. None of us feel any fear when we have a near miss with a wall after a high speed bend at 190mph in GT4 but with the real thing it's a completely different matter. For example, in a sim you need to focus on folllowing the racing line and getting a fast, clean lap in without careering off the track. Whereas in real life you have all that to think about but then there's also the small matter of trying not to kill yourself. I personally agree with Lunchbox147, I dont see how you can think Tiff doesn't qualify as a good enough driver to rate the game when he crashed a car at 230mph risking his life and then continued to persue his passion for driving race cars afterwards.


Also another big factor is the forces involved. Sitting on your couch at home compared to doing 200mph down the Mulsanne in real life is a big differance. At home you can sit there with ease, and worry about the only influencing force is you breaking wind on the couch. Where as going down the Mulsanne straight you're trying to hold on for dear life, and not having an intimate meeting with a conifer.
What I'm trying to say, is anyone whose driven quickly in anger (and I don't mean taking your Ford Ka 50 mph on the on ramp at your nearest motorway), knows that the forces acted upon your body can have a major impact on how you drive. They can really catch you out and cause you to be hesitant etc. I'm sure the majority of us here would struggle very much and greatly to drive a racing car at full speed in real life, not because of our driving ability, but because of the forces and fear factor. I'm not saying they're the prodominat reason, I'm just saying IMO they're a very big part and reason. I saw a programme called faking it a while ago on BBC1, and it's about where they get someone who does one proffession to go into another progession and in one week learn it and try and pass them selves off as an expert in the other profession. Anywayz they had a games tester on there once and he tried to fake it as a F3 driver (a formula driver). He failed miserably, and even though he kiked ass on a playstation, he had the racing line and everything, but he didn't have the stamina or ability to keep up with the forces demanded on him. Rant over.
 
wee_man
Anywayz they had a games tester on there once and he tried to fake it as a F3 driver (a formula driver). He failed miserably, and even though he kiked ass on a playstation, he had the racing line and everything, but he didn't have the stamina or ability to keep up with the forces demanded on him. Rant over.


I agree it takes so much strength and endurance to actually drive the races. The average couch racer wouldn't be able to handle a real race... and theres people that say Race car drivers aren't athletes...
 
I notice that when Tiff, pro drivers, and and also my parents played GT4 for the first time, they turn in way too early before weight has shifted to the front and understeer. Obviously because they're used to gravitational forces helping them determine weight distribution more than through the steering wheel or visually.


Man.. that episode just made me how badly i'm aching for a reality check. I (and i'm sure many others) feel like they are uber fast and unbeatable in gt4.. cant wait for the multiplayer to find out if thats true or not.

In LFS S1, the competition is so high that My PB one one track is about 1.5 seconds slower than the world record...

I'm wondering just how dedicated others are to learning the race line and how skilled people are at passing cleanly.

I'm hurting for a reality check..
 
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