Time penalty when I get wrecked?

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pie4july
I'm not really sure how this is my fault. I went too hard into turn one, so I came down a little, but there was nothing on my radar. Then out of no where this dude comes flying in the corner. I get turned and a 10 second time penalty.

 
Happens way too often. You brake for corner correctly and mr. hot-shot comes out of nowhere thinking he'll use your car as a method to slow down and you end up with the penalty while they cruise away. It's like 50-50 on who gets the penalty and I can't explain why!
 
It's too difficult for the game to correctly apportion blame so the game penalises both drivers. The hope is that those who constantly crash on purpose will receive more penalties and reduction in SR than those who are hit by them. Not perfect but a decent stab at a penalty system. Hopefully PD can learn from all their data and improve the system.
 
PzR Slim
It's too difficult for the game to correctly apportion blame so the game penalises both drivers. The hope is that those who constantly crash on purpose will receive more penalties and reduction in SR than those who are hit by them. Not perfect but a decent stab at a penalty system. Hopefully PD can learn from all their data and improve the system.
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I don't think that's correct. Used to be equal SR penalty in the closed beta, but now those 10sec penalties are it trying to apportion blame.
 
trustjab
Happens way too often. You brake for corner correctly and mr. hot-shot comes out of nowhere thinking he'll use your car as a method to slow down and you end up with the penalty while they cruise away. It's like 50-50 on who gets the penalty and I can't explain why!
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It just sucks because the spin happens on the last lap, so I lose a few spots... But I end of finishing last because I don't have enough time to clear the penalty so it affected my finishing position. That's what made me really mad.
 
He clearly does it with intention. If you look at the radar you can see him alter his steering in order to hit you. The penalty system did not work as intended in this case, that's for sure.
 
Its because that driver goes off track and hits the inside barrier. Consistently I am seeing if 2 cars come together, one goes off the track/hits barrier, the other will get a penalty for it. Unfortunately not much you could do about that one. He came out of nowhere
 
PD must've changed something with penalties, I'm getting them more often even just going off the track and trying to recover causes me to get a penalty whereas it didn't before this week. Also hitting a wall especially on Nords will get you a penalty too...
 
i don't think he was intentionally doing it. he probably cut into the turn early just like you, using your line as a guide for himself, and then found himself out of control just like you. at that point you're jabbing the wheel right as he's sliding into your blind spot and you turned into him right when he was on your rear panel.

he shouldn't have been there and he should have held a consistent radial line around the turn instead of throttling trying to outpace you despite sliding further outward towards you.. but for the collision, in the specific instance you happened to yank the wheel right to save yourself, as he was overlapping, the system detected your momentum hitting him (watch the camera jerk right repeatedly before impact, the SR system would sense that movement as you turning into him)

it would be great if the system would evaluate traction ratios into penalties, as the other guy could have easily eased off of the throttle to avoid the impact

as for you, there was a guy behind you on the straight. once you blew the turn and were scrubbing tons of speed squealing away from the apex... I would have expected somebody faster ramming into me and let my car stabilize on the furthest edge of the track to avoid getting punted until i could safely re-approach my usual line.

this turn by the way, is where i do most of my passing. everybody cuts early and ends up swinging mid to outside of the track.. so i ride up onto the curb, lift off of the throttle, and then enter the turn at half throttle cutting fast and into the inside passing everyone. it's a good turn to master.
 
They definitely changed something with the penalty system and I’m not touching daily races until it’s 100% fixed. My SR is at S so I am a fairly clean driver, yet I’m being hit with 5+ second penalties for getting hit from behind, touching someone slightly (a small bump from behind on a straight, a small touch in a corner, etc), and missing a breaking point and getting into the wall. I understand what they’re trying to do, but this game is way too casual to have an equal blame system put in place. Most people who play aren’t serious about racing nor do they understand racing etiquette. It’s going to hurt clean drivers just as much, if not more, than dirty racers.
 
jesQuick
This was clearly on purpose. He had the whole damn track to avoid you... Sucks.
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by that logic the OP's squealing cornering attempt was on purpose. the OP was out of control on this turn and so are 80% of the people i've raced against.
 
Lion-Face
Its because that driver goes off track and hits the inside barrier. Consistently I am seeing if 2 cars come together, one goes off the track/hits barrier, the other will get a penalty for it. Unfortunately not much you could do about that one. He came out of nowhere
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Yep, happened to me yesterday, he even used some grass to help with his divebomb and even though he only just clipped the front of my car, as I noticed him at the last second and tried to avoid him, I still got a 10 second penalty because he didn't hit me full on and went flying way off track.
 
BallPtPenTheif
i don't think he was intentionally doing it. he probably cut into the turn early just like you, using your line as a guide for himself, and then found himself out of control just like you. at that point you're jabbing the wheel right as he's sliding into your blind spot and you turned into him right when he was on your rear panel.

he shouldn't have been there and he should have held a consistent radial line around the turn instead of throttling trying to outpace you despite sliding further outward towards you.. but for the collision, in the specific instance you happened to yank the wheel right to save yourself, as he was overlapping, the system detected your momentum hitting him (watch the camera jerk right repeatedly before impact, the SR system would sense that movement as you turning into him)

it would be great if the system would evaluate traction ratios into penalties, as the other guy could have easily eased off of the throttle to avoid the impact

as for you, there was a guy behind you on the straight. once you blew the turn and were scrubbing tons of speed squealing away from the apex... I would have expected somebody faster ramming into me and let my car stabilize on the furthest edge of the track to avoid getting punted until i could safely re-approach my usual line.

this turn by the way, is where i do most of my passing. everybody cuts early and ends up swinging mid to outside of the track.. so i ride up onto the curb, lift off of the throttle, and then enter the turn at half throttle cutting fast and into the inside passing everyone. it's a good turn to master.
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That makes sense, but what i don't understand is that for example, on Tokyo east inner cirkle, when you brake before a corner, even as late as possible, somebody rams you, then THEY loose control of their car because they made a mistake, but i'm still the one ending up with 10 sec penalty, That really pisses me of....
 
Dylle1978
That makes sense, but what i don't understand is that for example, on Tokyo east inner cirkle, when you brake before a corner, even as late as possible, somebody rams you, then THEY loose control of their car because they made a mistake, but i'm still the one ending up with 10 sec penalty, That really pisses me of....
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and you're totally right

more than likely you late turned as they bumped you and the system cant detect the diffrence. so the safest move is to swing wide if you thing you lost speed on a turn. its not fair, but the SR system seems to work that way
 
A few days ago, at the Tokyo Expressway one make race I got 15 sec for bump drafting the car ahead of me.
I was on is slipstream when, at the middle of the huge start/finish straight, one moment I was half a car length behind, the next moment I was giving him a small bump. For some reason we slowed down a little, he didn't use the brakes, maybe he intentionally lifted or switched gear to early, in the moment the straight starts to go uphill, I don't know.
But there were 15 secs for a small bump and the car in front didn't even flick.
Yesterday at gr. 3 at Interlagos, in other hand, I gave a bump on a guy in a Beetle (in my defense, he was erratic, all over the place, and decided to hard brake entering Ferradura, I had nowhere to go) and pretty sure I had infringed track limits on Senna SS one time, no penalties whatsoever. With the Beetle I believe it was a race incident, due to the other driver be clueless how to behave on track, on track limits, although briefly, I was indeed off track, a small time penalty should be applied.
Unfortunately I forgot to save replay from this race.
 
trustjab
Happens way too often. You brake for corner correctly and mr. hot-shot comes out of nowhere thinking he'll use your car as a method to slow down and you end up with the penalty while they cruise away. It's like 50-50 on who gets the penalty and I can't explain why!
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Person on the outside gets the penalty as far as I can work out
 
Dylle1978
That makes sense, but what i don't understand is that for example, on Tokyo east inner cirkle, when you brake before a corner, even as late as possible, somebody rams you, then THEY loose control of their car because they made a mistake, but i'm still the one ending up with 10 sec penalty, That really pisses me of....
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the SR system appears to only care about lateral momentum.

so race expecting that. a dive bomber who cant coast into your speed on the turn.. will take no penalty of you counter steeer and pop him. its unfair but that seems to be the way the system works
 
MikeTheHockeyFan
How do you know the other driver in the video didn’t also receive a time penalty?
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Mainly because one time I got hit by a car near the end of a race, got 10 sec which I had no chance of losing, and it finished ahead of me without any penalty. Also because I've been in a few similarly hard hits and not got a time penalty.
 
Outspacer
Mainly because one time I got hit by a car near the end of a race, got 10 sec which I had no chance of losing, and it finished ahead of me without any penalty. Also because I've been in a few similarly hard hits and not got a time penalty.
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You know you can serve a time penalty during a race though by lift-and-coast right?

If you serve a time penalty during the race fully using life-and-coast it won't show up on the post race results. Is everyone posting about opponents not getting penalized not aware of this? Lord....
 
MikeTheHockeyFan
You know you can serve a time penalty during a race though by lift-and-coast right?

If you serve a time penalty during the race fully using life-and-coast it won't show up on the post race results. Is everyone posting about opponents not getting penalized not aware of this? Lord....
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100% true.
And actually this means that people can "erase" the penalty during the race,by just racing.So from one point of view,its like they never had a penalty in the first place.
 
MikeTheHockeyFan
You know you can serve a time penalty during a race though by lift-and-coast right?

If you serve a time penalty during the race fully using life-and-coast it won't show up on the post race results. Is everyone posting about opponents not getting penalized not aware of this? Lord....
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ROFL, get you. Like I said, it was at the end of a race at the short Miyabi, with just the chicane to go. Go on then - you try erasing a 10 sec penalty in barely 100 yards, while staying in front of the car right behind you.
 
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Tekku
He clearly does it with intention. If you look at the radar you can see him alter his steering in order to hit you. The penalty system did not work as intended in this case, that's for sure.
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I don't know how you can see that on the radar. The only fault I can see on that video is that the other car didn't steer off the track to avoid a collision. It would also be a pretty stupid move to deliberately try to hit a car that is already going slow on the last lap of the race, when it would be much easier and safer to simply overtake it.
 
eran0004
I don't know how you can see that on the radar. The only fault I can see on that video is that the other car didn't steer off the track to avoid a collision. It would also be a pretty stupid move to deliberately try to hit a car that is already going slow on the last lap of the race, when it would be much easier and safer to simply overtake it.
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Yeah I might've looked at it the wrong way. I thought the arrow was pointing towards the car but in full screen I could now see that it doesn't. The entry speed is strange though.
 

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