Time trial cheating

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I managed a 1.48.xxx in the new time trial on spa which is still a good 8 seconds of the final time so I downloaded the replay, and the driving technique used by the faster drivers is far from realistic, I mean they are basically drifting formula cars round corners. Surely polyphony digital can do some thing about this cheating(my opinion).
 
I saw that too but it is what it is. You can't compare a video game racing simulator with real driving. He would have spun out in real life, but in GT5.... anything goes.:grumpy:
 
If you spend time tuning that car for that time trial,

you may notice you can corner faster with, a bit of ballast at the rear.
Then notice cornering is easier with more ballast more to the rear.
Then change the toe a little.

Every step the car is sliding a little more but the car gets around the corner faster.

At what point should I stop and say.. "hang on I'm drifting here".
I better move the ballast to the front & take off the toe..:?
 
It's not cheating. Sure, you can't drift a modern F1 car around corners in real life, but in the game you can and it's the fastest time who wins, not the most realistic driving style.
 
Exploiting the physics with it's rather funny setup options and slip angle.

Simple really.
 
Exploiting the physics is more proper word for it, if they drive within realistic driving style boundaries, they won't be that fast. :lol: Maybe PD should have restricted the tires to comfort hard, let's see how far drifting will take them ;)
 
Ahh, so they gently glide the car around the corner........no wonder why I rarely got gold in my liscenses in GT4 & GT5.
 
If PD disabled ABS in this open wheel cars time trial, I am not sure that those top ranked drivers could pull the drift around corner and easily took advantage of it, the car handled differently without ABS enabled :D
 
Hi Guys,

I am not sure if somebody of you have watched F1 in the last times. But if u see the driving style of Hamilton u see very often a drfting F1 car. The only difference is that in real life this style is not really the fastest.

Regards

Daflow
 
Ridox2JZGTE
If PD disabled ABS in this open wheel cars time trial, I am not sure that those top ranked drivers could pull the drift around corner and easily took advantage of it, the car handled differently without ABS enabled :D
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I think I'd have a shot at GT Academy if PD disabled ABS.
 
Connoissuer
I think I'd have a shot at GT Academy if PD disabled ABS.
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Not many great drivers with ABS will be competitive, GT Academy cars have the BB locked at 5/5, I have been through past GT Academy without using ABS, it was not easy and my average rank is only around 2000.

For this open wheel trial, with no ABS - the car will be less stable when braking and cornering, drifting might actually make it slower just like in real life.
 
Connoissuer
I remeber being able to change my brake bias on my DFGT in the latest GT Academy.
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Nope, as far as I remember, I can't change it even via RA menu, it was grayed out. I golded all of them, so I had to bear with it the whole way, trail braking like mad.
 
If you have ever seen a super slo-motion video of a modern F1 car going around a corner, then you can see that it is constantly sliding. At full speed its just hard to see.

Although, not having seen the reply, it may be that they are sliding way too much
 
It's not meant to be real life, even the creator Kaz said he is something like 5 seconds faster for every 1-2 minutes of racing in the game vs real driving.

No one pushes a car in real life like they do in any GT game, or any racing game in that matter. I don't even want to begin to count how many laps I have done with just the inside half of my tires catching the curbing on every turn or how many times I have run a few seconds driving under control on grass, things I would never do in real life, with cars I can never own on tracks I will never see, some of which don't even exist.

It's a game, have fun. Those guys in the lead might not be better drivers than you, but they are better game players, using any tool the game provides them, realistic or not, to get the best time
 
The major two differences are that in GT5, you don't have to worry about the consequences of crashing or tyre wear from sliding about. Even burning through a set of tyres too quickly is costly in F1 both financially, and strategically due to the limited number of tyres available each weekend. That's why in GT5 you can 'push' right up to the limits.
 
Honestly I don't believe it is cheating. Just because it is different doesn't mean it's cheating.

Here's a video demonstrating Grip vs. Drift in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8b0SYKKMaQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What it all boils down to is the tires and suspension.

And the point is realistically in some corners as demonstrated it is faster to drift through corners and others it is faster to grip.
 
Not cheating I feel.
A little off topic here, I just ran a 148.xxx and it says I'm in 3629th place. Really? Only a handful over 3000 have golded this?
I just barely squeaked by...
 
hatfield
If you have ever seen a super slo-motion video of a modern F1 car going around a corner, then you can see that it is constantly sliding. At full speed its just hard to see.

Although, not having seen the reply, it may be that they are sliding way too much
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That's just general tyre slip, these guys are literally drifting round the corners, GT5 says " the real driving simulator" on the box and I have lost count of how many times I have heard people say gt5 is a true sim, but from what I have seen the physics must be very limited if they can exploit them that much.
 
hennessey86
That's just general tyre slip, these guys are literally drifting round the corners, GT5 says " the real driving simulator" on the box and I have lost count of how many times I have heard people say gt5 is a true sim, but from what I have seen the physics must be very limited if they can exploit them that much.
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Question. Did you see my link and my post above?
 
hennessey86
That's just general tyre slip, these guys are literally drifting round the corners, GT5 says " the real driving simulator" on the box and I have lost count of how many times I have heard people say gt5 is a true sim, but from what I have seen the physics must be very limited if they can exploit them that much.
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Drifting around corners is slower, try it yourself and the FGT is probably very hard to drift. The car has quite a bit of instability from what I remember so you have to drive around the car problems to drive it fast. I haven't seen the replays but I can imagine people only driving the cars to the limit of adhesion as if you go passed that, you start losing a lot of time sliding around not going anywhere. You will probably lose around a few tenths or maybe a second due to the nature of the car by not maximising the slip angle and grip to the limit. Anyway you should be able to find 7 seconds in your driving and car setup alone before worrying about the final second or so by driving on the extreme limit of the car.
 
Saidur_Ali
Drifting around corners is slower, try it yourself and the FGT is probably very hard to drift. The car has quite a bit of instability from what I remember so you have to drive around the car problems to drive it fast. I haven't seen the replays but I can imagine people only driving the cars to the limit of adhesion as if you go passed that, you start losing a lot of time sliding around not going anywhere. You will probably lose around a few tenths or maybe a second due to the nature of the car by not maximising the slip angle and grip to the limit. Anyway you should be able to find 7 seconds in your driving and car setup alone before worrying about the final second or so by driving on the extreme limit of the car.
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Not totally true. I real life and in GT5 depending on the corner it will be faster to drift around it instead of gripping around it. And on other corners it is faster to grip instead of drift.

Take a look at this. These are professional race car drivers that are confirming this.

Take at look at this post that I posted and the link in it. The link has that part about professional race car drivers confirming this.

ORPHANTHIRTY7
Honestly I don't believe it is cheating. Just because it is different doesn't mean it's cheating.

Here's a video demonstrating Grip vs. Drift in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8b0SYKKMaQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What it all boils down to is the tires and suspension.

And the point is realistically in some corners as demonstrated it is faster to drift through corners and others it is faster to grip.
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ORPHANTHIRTY7
And the point is realistically in some corners as demonstrated it is faster to drift through corners and others it is faster to grip.
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I have never seen it "realistically" demonstrated that it is faster to drift around a corner. You drift due to a lack of grip, a lack of grip equals loss of forward momentum, a loss of forward momentum means you are slowing down.
 
MustangManiac
I have never seen it "realistically" demonstrated that it is faster to drift around a corner. You drift due to a lack of grip, a lack of grip equals loss of forward momentum, a loss of forward momentum means you are slowing down.
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Once again did you watch that link?

I mean i am not saying on every corner but on some corners.

In that link professional race car drivers are confirming what i have just said.
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
The major two differences are that in GT5, you don't have to worry about the consequences of crashing or tyre wear from sliding about. Even burning through a set of tyres too quickly is costly in F1 both financially, and strategically due to the limited number of tyres available each weekend. That's why in GT5 you can 'push' right up to the limits.
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thats a really good advice. Thats why you are way much faster in Gt5. When I drive my real car on Nordschleife I drive not as crazy as I do in Gt5 the car and the tires are way to expensive to crash it.

By the way I do not cheat in this game I am only a fast driver. And I am not really drifting around the corners. I just have a setup where the backside of the car overstears a little more around the corners. If you keep up yor engine speed ( by holding throttle a little) then you can accellerate way better when your car is straight again. I am not the only one who has a driving style like this see the youtube video http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=TOhgI1hQA68&desktop_uri=/watch?v=TOhgI1hQA68&gl=DE
here they explain that schumacher and raikonnen drive like this too.

Regards Daflow
 
*Sigh*.......I would drift and stand on my head if it could get a decent time but alas open wheel cars are not my thing. I'm languishing in the 1.48's with almost no chance of improving.

It's not cheating though, it's just a different driving style that gets a result.
 
ORPHANTHIRTY7
Not totally true. I real life and in GT5 depending on the corner it will be faster to drift around it instead of gripping around it. And on other corners it is faster to grip instead of drift.

Take a look at this. These are professional race car drivers that are confirming this.

Take at look at this post that I posted and the link in it. The link has that part about professional race car drivers confirming this.
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It is probably never faster to drift, your video also quite clearly shows that with the professional race car drivers even confirming that. I'm hopeless at drifting in GT5 but can still be reasonably competitive in time trials. It is due to the fact that drifting is slower in GT5 and in real life so for performance driving, techniques teached in real world can be also applied in game to gain maximum performance. That is why in real life you in any of the regular road racing, fastest way around the track is the conventional way and same goes for GT5. Throwing cars around the race track while maintaining good levels of rear traction on corner exit is not drifting. It is one of the characteristics of the Formula GT that you have to drive it like that as it has instability so you might as well make it work for you. I haven't seen the videos of fastest laps so might have a look later to see how close to the limit the times are already. Trail braking is also a real world technique and is used by F1 drivers, it is not exclusive to GT5 physics ;).
 
Saidur_Ali
It is probably never faster to drift, your video also quite clearly shows that with the professional race car drivers even confirming that. I'm hopeless at drifting in GT5 but can still be reasonably competitive in time trials. It is due to the fact that drifting is slower in GT5 and in real life so for performance driving, techniques teached in real world can be also applied in game to gain maximum performance. That is why in real life you in any of the regular road racing, fastest way around the track is the conventional way and same goes for GT5. Throwing cars around the race track while maintaining good levels of rear traction on corner exit is not drifting. It is one of the characteristics of the Formula GT that you have to drive it like that as it has instability so you might as well make it work for you. I haven't seen the videos of fastest laps so might have a look later to see how close to the limit the times are already. Trail braking is also a real world technique and is used by F1 drivers, it is not exclusive to GT5 physics ;).
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Yep the ending result in that video is. On somecorners it is way faster to grip instead of drift and others it is faster to drift than to grip.

Very important factors like they said was. The suspension and tires. If there was a tire that could take the abuse of both ways of getting around the corner you might just might see more drivers doing so but there isn't a tire that can.

Also if you need help learning how to drift let me know i can try my best to teach you. I drift on the wheel but i can help you either way.

I have been taking a break from racing for a bit but I do both. I mostly race GT500 cars (with being stock none of that 600hp bull crap. I like realistic GT500 not phony)
 

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