Time Trial Mountain Board : every road car from the game tested [793 cars]

[GT_Alex74]

New update, which brings the total number of cars tested to 700. It also marks the completion of all european road cars ! With not so much american cars remaining, they might be finished pretty soon as well. As for the asian cars, most of what's left is slow old stuff and key cars, I'll probably get the remaining 400+ PP ones out of the way first, then do bigger batches before updating. Slowly, we're beginning to see the end of the tunnel !

New entries :

Hyundai HCD-6
Hyundai Clix
Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track
(Nissan) Prince Skyline 1500 Deluxe (S50D-1)
(Nissan) Prince Skyline 2000 GT-B (S54B)
(Nissan) Prince Skyline Sport Coupe (BLRA-3)
Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32)
Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '89
Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '91
Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001)
Nissan GT-R Proto
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car
Pagani Zonda C12
Pagani Zonda C12S
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
Pagani Huayra '11
Pagani Huayra '13

Notes :

- For those who may not be japanese car culture specialists, the first generations of Skyline were actually build not by Nissan, but an old japanese manufacturer called Prince. The Prince Motor Company ended up being bought by Nissan in 1966, the brand disappearing soon after. Hence the naming convention I used for those cars. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Motor_Company )
- The Huatchooo, it's just too powerfull for that track It can probably score a better time with more training, but that's not the point here.

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Time for tops and flops !


Top 10 "real street cars"

1 KTM X-BOW R
2 McLaren MP4-12C
3 McLaren F1
4 Bugatti Veyron 16.4
5 Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
6 Ford GT '05
7 Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 Super Veloce
8 Pagani Huayra '13
9 Pagani Huayra '11
10 Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4
11 Ford GT '06

Pagani comes in force here with 3 cars (the two Huachoos having different specs but basically identical lap times, I decided to leave the 11th car under in an informative move).


Top 10 "cheated cars"

1 Lotus Elise 111 R (S2) > +66 PP (stable)
2 KTM X-BOW Street > +46 PP (+2)
3 Honda NSX Type S ’01 > +48 PP (stable)
4 Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) > +48 PP (new)
5 Toyota MR-S V Edition (6MT) > +48 PP (new)
6 Opel Speedster / Vauxhall VX220 > +47 PP (stable)
7 Honda NSX Type R '02 > +47 PP (-2)
8 Honda NSX-R Concept '01 > +46 PP (stable)
9 KTM X-BOW R > +45 PP (stable)
10 Amuse S2000 R1 > +45 PP (stable)

Here, it's Toyota making a remarked entrance with its last gen MR, coming right before the podium to taunt the Elise and Speedster. For the rest, it's stable, and should remain like that for the most part from now on.

Flop 10

1 Jay Leno's Tank Car > -207 PP (minimal guaranteed value)
2 Jay Leno's 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado > -118 PP (stable)
3 Buick Special "Bu'Wicked" > -92 PP (stable)
4 Mercedes SL 65 AMG (R230) > -91 PP (stable)
5 TVR Cerbera Speed 12 > -81 PP (loses 2)
6 Stielow Engineering Red Devil > -74 PP (stable)
7 Aston Martin V8 Vantage > -72 PP (stable)
8 Citroën GT Concept > -68 PP (stable)
9 Mercedes SL 600 (R230) > -68 PP (loses 1)
10 Cizeta V16T 01:39,672 > -67 PP (stable)

No evolution here, most of them having an unchanged score.

 

[jorespn]

New update, which brings the total number of cars tested to 700. It also marks the completion of all european road cars ! With not so much american cars remaining, they might be finished pretty soon as well. As for the asian cars, most of what's left is slow old stuff and key cars, I'll probably get the remaining 400+ PP ones out of the way first, then do bigger batches before updating. Slowly, we're beginning to see the end of the tunnel !

New entries :

Hyundai HCD-6
Hyundai Clix
Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track
(Nissan) Prince Skyline 1500 Deluxe (S50D-1)
(Nissan) Prince Skyline 2000 GT-B (S54B)
(Nissan) Prince Skyline Sport Coupe (BLRA-3)
Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32)
Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '89
Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '91
Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001)
Nissan GT-R Proto
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car
Pagani Zonda C12
Pagani Zonda C12S
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
Pagani Huayra '11
Pagani Huayra '13

Notes :

- For those who may not be japanese car culture specialists, the first generations of Skyline were actually build not by Nissan, but an old japanese manufacturer called Prince. The Prince Motor Company ended up being bought by Nissan in 1966, the brand disappearing soon after. Hence the naming convention I used for those cars. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Motor_Company )
- The Huatchooo, it's just too powerfull for that track It can probably score a better time with more training, but that's not the point here.

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Time for tops and flops !


Top 10 "real street cars"

1 KTM X-BOW R
2 McLaren MP4-12C
3 McLaren F1
4 Bugatti Veyron 16.4
5 Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
6 Ford GT '05
7 Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 Super Veloce
8 Pagani Huayra '13
9 Pagani Huayra '11
10 Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4
11 Ford GT '06

Pagani comes in force here with 3 cars (the two Huachoos having different specs but basically identical lap times, I decided to leave the 11th car under in an informative move).


Top 10 "cheated cars"

1 Lotus Elise 111 R (S2) > +66 PP (stable)
2 KTM X-BOW Street > +46 PP (+2)
3 Honda NSX Type S ’01 > +48 PP (stable)
4 Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) > +48 PP (new)
5 Toyota MR-S V Edition (6MT) > +48 PP (new)
6 Opel Speedster / Vauxhall VX220 > +47 PP (stable)
7 Honda NSX Type R '02 > +47 PP (-2)
8 Honda NSX-R Concept '01 > +46 PP (stable)
9 KTM X-BOW R > +45 PP (stable)
10 Amuse S2000 R1 > +45 PP (stable)

Here, it's Toyota making a remarked entrance with its last gen MR, coming right before the podium to taunt the Elise and Speedster. For the rest, it's stable, and should remain like that for the most part from now on.

Flop 10

1 Jay Leno's Tank Car > -207 PP (minimal guaranteed value)
2 Jay Leno's 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado > -118 PP (stable)
3 Buick Special "Bu'Wicked" > -92 PP (stable)
4 Mercedes SL 65 AMG (R230) > -91 PP (stable)
5 TVR Cerbera Speed 12 > -81 PP (loses 2)
6 Stielow Engineering Red Devil > -74 PP (stable)
7 Aston Martin V8 Vantage > -72 PP (stable)
8 Citroën GT Concept > -68 PP (stable)
9 Mercedes SL 600 (R230) > -68 PP (loses 1)
10 Cizeta V16T 01:39,672 > -67 PP (stable)

No evolution here, most of them having an unchanged score.

Love what you're doing here and have a question for ya. Not exactly being a mathematician myself, is there a way to use your spreadsheet to collect my own data for another track? The global gap, and two of the PP related columns don't seem to be accurate and my guess is you'd understand why. Is there a relatively simple way for me to alter the forumla's used to work for a different track?

 

[GT_Alex74]

Are you using Microsoft Office or Open Office ? The formulas I made originally didn't worked on Open Office as pointed out by some of my team members, one managed to adapt those so they could work on both programs, although it appears to have been broken back on Open Office recently, I don't know why...

Then, aside that point, the whole file should work perfectly fine with no need to tweak any of the formulas if you intend to use it for your own testings on another track. Global gap, Gap w. previous, ΔPP and PP Corrected columns don't need a direct input, as they're taking informations from other places. You can tweak the range of times used to calculate PP stuff with the T9 box (right to "Δt(s) =") : currently I'm using a value of 1, which means for each car, the table will look for each car within a 1 second gap (+ or -) to compare and calculate things. I might produce another version which will do calculations with a totally different method once finished, but right now this doesn't work so bad.

Anyway, don't hesitate to go deeper regarding the problems you're facing or drop me your file, I'll gladly help on that or anything you might want to do differently. Also, don't hesitate to make a thread and tag me there (and @MidFieldMaven also who will probably be interested)

 

[jorespn]

Are you using Microsoft Office or Open Office ? The formulas I made originally didn't worked on Open Office as pointed out by some of my team members, one managed to adapt those so they could work on both programs, although it appears to have been broken back on Open Office recently, I don't know why...

Then, aside that point, the whole file should work perfectly fine with no need to tweak any of the formulas if you intend to use it for your own testings on another track. Global gap, Gap w. previous, ΔPP and PP Corrected columns don't need a direct input, as they're taking informations from other places. You can tweak the range of times used to calculate PP stuff with the T9 box (right to "Δt(s) =") : currently I'm using a value of 1, which means for each car, the table will look for each car within a 1 second gap (+ or -) to compare and calculate things. I might produce another version which will do calculations with a totally different method once finished, but right now this doesn't work so bad.

Anyway, don't hesitate to go deeper regarding the problems you're facing or drop me your file, I'll gladly help on that or anything you might want to do differently. Also, don't hesitate to make a thread and tag me there (and @MidFieldMaven also who will probably be interested)

Really appreciate the info and the response! I'm using Excel. Honestly, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I deleted the contents of your spread and copy/pasted your formulas - although surely I did this wrong or something. As I've begun entering in cars, I have only 2 of the 5 entries populating correctly. I had a more updated version with about 20 entries and it was still only two rows that were without errors.

I've attached the file and really appreciate the help!

 

[GT_Alex74]

Problem is you copied the box from the French sheet, and pasted them in the English one. So Excel thinks you want to take what is in the French sheet as a reference : the formula has been transformed into "=C2-FR!$C$2" instead of "=C2-$C$2". Same for the other ones.

Here's the file with the corrections made, just paste your last datas in and it should be good (Also deleted the French version as to avoid possible confusions).

 

[jorespn]

Problem is you copied the box from the French sheet, and pasted them in the English one. So Excel thinks you want to take what is in the French sheet as a reference : the formula has been transformed into "=C2-FR!$C$2" instead of "=C2-$C$2". Same for the other ones.

Here's the file with the corrections made, just paste your last datas in and it should be good (Also deleted the French version as to avoid possible confusions).

Appreciate it!!!

 

[GT_Alex74]

KILLCOUNT = 22​

Oh look, a penny !

The new Two-Face's official car.​

Only japanese cars officially remain this time, mainly 2+ minutes ones. I went as far as testing VGT cars which are controversial regarding the possibilities of considering them as an intended road car (detailed further down in the notes). For what's left, as already said, updates will be more scarce - I might even just wait until it's completely finished to update.

Cars added :

Dodge Challenger SRT8
Dodge Charger SRT8
Dodge Viper SRT10 '03
Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe '06
Dodge Viper GTS R Concept
Dodge Viper GTS / Launch Edition '13
Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR
Saleen S7
Scion xB
Toyota bB 1.5Z X Version
Toyota ist 1.5S / Scion xA
HPA Motorsports Stage II Volkswagen Golf R32
HPA Motorsports FT565 twin turbo Audi TT
Infiniti G35 Sedan
Nissan Skyline Sedan 300GT
Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT-8
Nissan Skyline 350GT
Infiniti G35 Coupe '03
Infiniti G35 Coupe '06
Nissan Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP
Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT Type SP
Infiniti Coupe Concept
Suzuki GSX-R/4
Nismo 270R
Isuzu 4200R
Dome-Zero
Amuse/Opera Performance Gran Turismo 350Z RS
Opera Performance 350Z
Honda Dualnote
Acura DN-X
Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac
RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7
Toyota 2000 GT
Toyota FT-86 Concept
Toyota FT-86 G Sports Concept
Toyota FT-1 / graphite
Aston Martin DP-100 Vision Gran Turismo
Peugeot Vision Gran Turismo
SRT Tomahawk S Vision Gran Turismo




Notes :

- The GSX-R/4 officially takes the most cheated car crown from the 111R with +79 PP

- The GTS-R Concept Viper being built with a full audio system and air conditioning, I decided to consider it as a road car.
- no ABS for the Saleen S7 : it wasn't available on the initial version. It seems it was made available later - on the Twin Turbo version I think, which is not in the game. Anyway, it is perfectly manageable on this one, so no issues

- I've put the HPA cars under GER/CAN in the country of origine column : yeah HPA is Canadian, but most of the cars still German

- the blue Re-Amemiya RX-7 is officially a road-legal car with regular japanese licence plates. It is not one of their full time attack builds : it was made to compete for the ultimate road performer title in the Hot Version TV show (and kept the crown during several years, even defeating the MCR R35).
- Vision GT : the Tomahawk S is (sadly) clearly sold as a road-going version, no doubt on it. The Peugeot however gets a bit more ambiguous on that : the in-game description and press articles mention it as a supercar, but it has the 208 T16 Pikes Peak specs (which is based on a LMP1 chassis), and it is equipped with adjustable parts and racing tyres from the get go in the game. As for the DP-100, Aston Martin's official website describes it as a "GT racer", whatever it means, but it doesn't really fit the theme aerodynamically (and it would really benefit from a big GT wing), no visible rollcage, gets less setting possibilities than the Peugeot (plus you can then buy adjustable parts) and the trailer video mentions interior materials and finishes to match the different paintjobs (which is not really a priority on a full race car). So I decided to give them a go, and we'll see at the end if they stay in the leaderboard.
- If you don't know how to interpret the Tomahawk's rate, neither do I

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Here's my opinions on each Vision GT cars, regarding what you said about them;

• SRT: Not a single Tomahawk should be known as a road car; the S dwarfs any given Veyron as well as its sucessor Chiron in terms of sheer power-to-weight ratio, so they are way too overpowered to be placed alongside any modern super and/or hypercar... I love how mental it is, but SRT may have been just a tad too bit mental while developing all three T-Hawks.
  
• Peugeot: It really is a head-scratcher, isn't it? Yes, it has specs which suit the 208 T16 Pikes Peak race car and comes with plenty of racing parts, but it looks like a supercar. And yet, it's too stiff to be a roadcar, but not stiff or powerful enough to match actual LMP racing cars. It's a jack of all trades, but it's not good at a single one. I'll go with road car too, because it sure isn't a veritable contender against proper racing cars...
• Aston: Definitely supercar. Mid-engined, has zero racing parts and it's way too nervous to grip like a GT racer (whatever that is). It may become a racing monster if it is the inspiration behind the infamous Red Bull-Aston Martin project, but for now it's just a hypercar that evoques plenty of Ford GT90 vibes...

As for the Scion's death, it clearly should be labeled as "Much like its manufacturer, this car could avoid vertical rigor mortis...", no?

 

[GT_Alex74]

As I clearly agree with you on the Tomahawk ludicrous performances subject, its is still marketed as a road car - but a 2035 one, with technology I doubt is credible at this point. Which is why I'll ditch it as well as the others if I do. Or maybe I'll do a separate sheet with not concepts at all, I'll have all the time to think about that once tests are finished.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

As I clearly agree with you on the Tomahawk ludicrous performances subject, its is still marketed as a road car - but a 2035 one, with technology I doubt is credible at this point.

Well, that is a valid point for the S, but still, the car's performance is far and above any possible production sports car in the game. And the technology is about as credible as the Chaparral 2Xs, and we do know that it will take quite a while before hybrid cars can reach such a level of performance...

Which is why I'll ditch it as well as the others if I do. Or maybe I'll do a separate sheet with not concepts at all, I'll have all the time to think about that once tests are finished.

A production car-only sheet would be interesting, yes, but you need some strict requirements to determine what makes a production car... well, a production car. But I bet that you already have something in mind, right?

 

[GT_Alex74]

- I even think the 2X is more credible than the Tomahawks... at least the laser engines have already been used in other applications

- Simple : has it been sold for road use or fitted with regular license plates ? Only questionable ones I see would be the R390 road car, as it was officially put for sale, but never sold, and the Garaiya, as the orders seems to never have been completed.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Well, the lightcraft concept is real, but it hasn't been used in cars yet... V10 hybrids have, minus the mental levels of performance. So the T-Hawks are a teenie weeny more accurate. Only just, mind you...

As for the R390, if there is one car capable of being driven with license plates if sold, then it's a production car. A very limited production car, but it is one as it had to exist to homologate the Le Mans racer, much like the Toyota GT-One. The Garaiya? That is quite the condrum; it seems that not a single one was sold, yet there are pictures of cars with license plates hanging around... Maybe it's the same case which happens with the R390, after all.

 

[GT_Alex74]

For the R390, I suspect Nissan never intended to sell the car, hence why the ridiculous price tag being taken as a pretext to not produce anymore cars soon after. Although some say that two were produced, one being sold to a private collector, but there's no evidence of this car's existence...

From all the unique GT1 homologation cars, it seems only the Lotus Elise GT1 has been bought and remains driven on public roads. We may add the Panoz Esperante GTR-1 as of two cars, one has been built for Don Panoz.

In theory though, any car could be grafted licence plates and be driven legally on public roads somewhere in the world. There are even several Porsche 917 being driven on public roads - a friend of mine even spotted one in person, I just went completely mad when he posted that pic

 

[GT_Alex74]

KILLCOUNT = 30

Ohhh, gonna eat the ground...

Ye', I a'e ve 'roun'...

Omnomnom ! Dirt !

Ergonomic roll-over design.

Not that aerodinamically efficient once barrel-rolling, but still saving fuel.

Honda's test driver now has improved his insight into asphalt properties by quite a lot...

Picture taken after Chuck Norris mixed up his paos.

Micra did not followed the right march.

The lack of parking spots in Japan now makes even kei car drivers try weird things to park their cars.​

And here it comes, the final batch ! After buying all the remaining cars, I realized there were less left than I thought, so I decided to push a bit to get it done. So, the list of cars added :


Daihatsu Midget II D Type
Daihatsu Move Custom RS Limited
Daihatsu Move CX
Daihatsu Move SR-XX 4WD
Daihatsu Move SR-XX 2WD
Daihatsu Copen Active Top
Daihatsu Copen Detachable Top
Daihatsu OFC-1
Daihatsu Mira / Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R
Honda S500
Honda S600
Honda S800
Honda Life Step Van
Honda Today G
Honda Z ACT
Honda N360
Honda Beat Version F / Z
Honda Beat
Honda Fit W / Jazz 1.4 Dsi SE Sport
Honda Insight
Honda Insight LS
Honda 1300 Coupe 9 S
Mitsibushi i-MiEV
Mitsubishi i Concept
Mitsubishi Colt 1.5 Sport X Version
Mitsubishi Mirage 1400 GLX
Mitsubishi Minica Dangan ZZ
Nissan PAO
Nissan Be-1
Nissan Cube X
Nissan Cube EX (FF/CVT)
Nissan March G#
Nissan Bluebird 1600 Deluxe (510)
Nissan Bluebird Hardtop 1800 SSS (910)
Nissan March 12c 5 door
Nissan Micra
Nissan March 12SR
Nissan Leaf G
Nissan EXA Canopy L.A. Version Type S
(Nissan) Datsun Fairlady 2000 (SR311)
Suzuki Alto Lapin Turbo
Suzuki Wagon R RR
Suzuki MR Wagon Sport
Suzuki Cervo SR
Suzuki Kei Works
Suzuki Alto Works Suzuki Sport Limited
Suzuki Alto Works RS-Z
Toyota Sports 800
Toyota Carina ED 2.0 X 4WS
Toyota Voltz S
Toyota Sera
Toyota Prius G (J) '02
Toyota Prius G Touring Selection
Toyota Prius G '09

Yeah, I finished with the Prius. That wasn't planned at all, but kind of funny since it's not really the most praised one amongst petrolheads

So, that's all GT6 road cars tested, with a count of 793 different ones (or not absolutely identical in every single aspect possible aside name and badge). I won't do any other big scale testing of this kind on GT6, but that doesn't mean this topic is finished by now; it will continue to live as I'll use it for experiments or other stuff.

First, at this moment, I uploaded the file without english translation for the alst commentaries (I will do that over the week). Then, since I now have a complete database, I'll work on trying to figure out better things for the PP recalculation system, and build a better and more complete procedure for the next game to come (be it GT Sport, GT7 or another simracing title). Since a few other persons around here are doing the same kind of testings, I'd like to build a standardized database format so that all who wishes can use that for their testings, and for others to be able to contribute with their general knowledge about cars specs or other useful stuff. I think there's a lot of potential within the community to do something pretty big for a next game

So expect the Excel file to evolve a bit in the future. I'm open to all suggestions about that, any additions or any formula one might want to try : see that as an open source work. Feel free to give me any feedback also, be it about how the thing's made or the result it produced if you used the data for your own events.

Also, I kinda want to try designing a specific test track in the course maker, in the spirit of the Top Gear ones or in the form of a point to point course.

Anyway, thanks to all who gave their support on this project, each message and like was appreciated, and I'm glad you enjoyed it

 

[Aweoob]

Great job, well done !

 

[GT_Alex74]

Go back to straight lines land you filthy animal

EDIT : translated the comments in english, I'm uploading this version on this post as well to keep v3 available to download. Now onto v4 with tweaked maths (god if I ever thought 5 years ago I'd do maths on my own will now...)

 

[Aweoob]

You're so cute Mimix-boy ! Go back to test some cars... Oh wait it's done... ****

 

[Aggserp4]

Wow. Can't believe you pulled this off... a 2 year project to test all road cars in the game? Wow.
Now do all racecars!

 

[GT_Alex74]

Could have taken less, especially since there were several months during which I didn't test anything. Could have taken more also.

As for race cars, this is not planned for several reason I think are explained in the original post (mainly race cars base setup generally being quite fecal, and testing them with base setup would not make a lot of sense even disregarding the quality of said setup). And now I finished this, it is also time for me to build me a PVC rig and use that T500 sitting in a corner instead of my DFGT with 13 years old DFP pedal brake sticking with duct tape and a lone sock... yeah I didn't want to switch until the testings were finished not to compromise their fairness

Yes, those were my pedals during the whole thing Some guys in my team think this gives me an unfair advantage

 

[Aggserp4]

Could have taken less, especially since there were several months during which I didn't test anything. Could have taken more also.

As for race cars, this is not planned for several reason I think are explained in the original post (mainly race cars base setup generally being quite fecal, and testing them with base setup would not make a lot of sense even disregarding the quality of said setup). And now I finished this, it is also time for me to build me a PVC rig and use that T500 sitting in a corner instead of my DFGT with 13 years old DFP pedal brake sticking with duct tape and a lone sock... yeah I didn't want to switch until the testings were finished not to compromise their fairness

Yes, those were my pedals during the whole thing Some guys in my team think this gives me an unfair advantage

Hahahaha keep up the good work man.

 

[GT_Alex74]

So, trying to figure out a formula for more accurate PP calculation, I made dots cloud graphs with time and GT6 PPs / adjusted PPs. Trying tendency curves, I found out a polynomial function of degree 4 gave out the best result for the most part, but the raise on the right annoys me a bit. I need to figure out something that smooths it down and keeps that exponential shape all along.

Damn, so much years I didn't touched maths...

 

[tarnheld]

I fiddled a bit with the data, and you could invert the relationship: Plotting Time over PP gives a good monotonous fit with a 5-degree polynomial (i scaled Time to minutes and PP by 1/1000 to get the fitting coefficients to sane values):

Looks like there is an interval from 400-580PP where the relationship is linear, above it flattens out because you can't go much faster even with more PP. Hope this helps.

And again a Big Thank You for TTing and providing the data! 👍👍👍

 

[GT_Alex74]

Hey guys ! I'm going to start doing something similar on GT Sport but can't decide what track to use in the current roster. I've set up a poll I shared on my team's forum but I don't have enough votes (plus there's a tie), so I'm puttin it here as well : https://www.strawpoll.me/14782399

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I voted for Nurb GP

 

[Glen Waldrop]

Necro-post, but this is exactly what I was looking for.

Old user name was 74merc but it's been a long time. Apparently that account has been deactivated.

Trial Mountain is my tuner course, test track, how I warm up, etc...

Just for giggles I used the 125 cc Cart 6 speed on Trial Mountain and created a ghost so I could see how it compares to road cars.

Now I'm concerned that I may not be able to catch up to it with my street cars. The cart isn't fast but it's damn quick.