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Hi. I have two time trials left to do: Complex String (of course), and Tahiti Maze. My question is for the latter. I am having real trouble with this and when I attack it, I have two strategies. One is wall hugging and the other is try to do the whole thing clean. Ive only got to the end a few times with each because i tend to whack the walls too hard.

Does anyone know which of these two strategies is actually faster. They seem around the same to me but i need the edge to get it done. I don't care if wall hugging is cheating I just want to get it done because it is p***ing me off.

Any tips on Comlex String would be handy as well.

Thanks

DQuaN


P.S Sorry if this has been mentioned before. I did a search and couldn't come up with anything.
 
Here's my take on the Complex String Trial (repost):

Almost every turn - and certainly every tight turn - is critical, due to the following straights. The first turn can be a solid foundation for a good run. I brake firmly about halfway between the first two brake markers, downshifting slowly rather than jamming the gears down. A little Scandinavian Flick while the car still has momentum and a goose in 2nd gear gets it rotated and ready to accelerate.

I hold third through the Slalom until the very end. The first right can be taken flat out; then immediately after each apex lift for just a fraction and start turning into the next curve before you complete the current one. You should already be turning into the next curve right after you apex this one. The last two are a little wonky and even though you'll be nudging the rev limiter, don't upshift to 4th until you apex the next-to-last cone (a right). Take the last one flat out in 4th and edge the grass on the right, but brake early for the exit 90 and get a hard late-apex in second gear. This gave me a T1 time in the 50.high" range IIRC.

The Box turns can really make or break a run. On numerous occasions I came into this section 0.5x"-1.x" ahead on my T1 time, only to leave that section with red numbers on my T2. For some reason, successfully completing that section but losing time was more frustrating than blowing it by driving too aggressively. I will offer two points here: you want to exit the second half of each corner pair tight rather than wide, to give you the most room to get the car shifted over to the opposite rotation. Also, going too deep over the corner curbs will bounce the rear of the car, a risky proposition that occasionally pays off but usually means a FAIL or else time lost trying to gather it up again. I believe I had a T2 time of about 2':00" on the money.

For the Bubbles, I stay in first for the first turn-and-a-half, second for the second turn-and-a-half, and third for the third turn-and-a-half, upshifting to 4th when I can start to see daylight. Again, the key is to exit tight to give the most breathing room for the transition to the next turn. Adjust your line with sharp but brief lifts to tuck the nose in, then get back on the gas hard.

I downshifted to 4th and turned left on the upsweep of the first Hoopdie, then tried to hold 4th flat out through this whole section. The car was not too happy on the compression phase of the first turn but otherwise it was remarkably composed. You are totally dependent on course notes here because the only way to survive is to turn in blind before the suspension unloads. If you're out of shape here a slight lift will help, but try to minimize it to carry maximum speed. The chute leading out of this section is deceptively short, so brake almost as soon as the car recovers from the last turn, in preparation for the upcoming double-apex left 180.

The only trick left is to brake early for the little offset in the middle of the next-to-last straight, in order to smooth out that combination as much as possible, again by clipping the corners.

The RGT is perfectly suited to this track and challenge. Both the course and the car demand a lot but give a lot back. Having spent about 3 hours on this (almost my only exposure to CS), I never really got frustrated and was able to watch a steady drop of 10 or 11 seconds from my first completed lap to success.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke

I downshifted to 4th and turned left on the upsweep of the first Hoopdie,


Is hoopdie a technical term then!!!

Thanx, that should help alot.

Any advice on the clean lap/wall hugging dilema on Tahiti Maze?
 
When you say wall hugging, you mean running wide open and letting the car drag around the outside wall for the turns?

If so, I have to say, don't do it. It will slow you down. I had a harder time with TT9 than I did with TT10. But you can get through it with practice. This is one where following the ghost will help. The quickest way around the track is to brake early and hard for the hairpins to get the car rotated early. Get on the throttle while the nose is pointed into the apex and let understeer pull you outside a little, but stay tight on your exit because of the following opposite hand turn.

There are some places you can run flat out that will make up a lot of time. One of these is from the apex of the last turn in the first set of hairpins all the way through the entry to the second set. Then, again from the exit from the second set up the hill to the third set.

One place that it will pay to ease off a little is near the end at the last stretch of tarmac. The left dogleg (third from last turn) between the rocks on the left and the ocean wall on the right can cost tons of time if you wash out to far. So brake early and really watch your line through there.
 
I found Tahiti the hardest, moreso than Complex String.
If you dont use manual transmission, it will be all the harder, I think. Shifting to a higher gear brings your RPM's down, which can slow you down thru the maze.
I use the Hybrid-Automatic method of shifting, where I hold down the shift button at times where the need to be in a lower gear is ideal. It definitely has made the difficult a little easier for me.
Use your ghosts and compare to the demo to see where youre losing it. Tahiti took me a couple nites to get.
 
Cheers.....My this is a friendly and helpful place. I will be visiting GTP alot in the future.....well.....I already am.
 
I once had a problem with the Tahit Maze race, but I figured out what I was doing wrong. I was accelerating to hard around the tight turns and corners. Also, don't use the brakes for the tight turns. Reduce your accleration, and turn sharply just before entering them.

Now I can get the 1st place position with in the first two attempts. If you don't get in 7 or 8 tries, stop, and try it some other time.
 
Click on the picture's below for an mpeg replay of each lap, both laps are 100% clean and show you the right lines to take for each test, find more files at Daans site



Turbotom TT9 - 1.55.340



Arco TT10 - 4.37.731


Good luck 👍
 
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