Tire wear online - wheel vs remote

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Rajareits
Hi!

I searched but I couldn't find any threads about this, so I started a new one.

We had some races before the big update that changed the tire wear. Before that, me and my mates could drive almost always the same amount of laps with our tires, but after the update, I can't drive as much as the others can. I'm using a wheel, they're using remotes.

Am I the only one having such a problem? Then what am I doing wrong?
 
Ds3 or wheel makes no difference. Listen to the tires. They speak the truth.
 
I now know that my tires burn out in corners. I've tried different setups. All them work better for others. Why?

What can I do to prevent them turning red in corners?
I'm using an old Logitech Driving Force wheel.

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I tried driving with the remote. For the first time. And I was more than a second faster than with the wheel. And my tires didn't turn red..
 
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When I tried a wheel in a Sony store I wore out the front tires in minutes. With the DS3 they last as long as I don't drift or spin. But they should theoretically last the same, I was just harder on the wheels using a wheel than I am with the DS3.
 
ImprezaAddict
When I tried a wheel in a Sony store I wore out the front tires in minutes. With the DS3 they last as long as I don't drift or spin. But they should theoretically last the same, I was just harder on the wheels using a wheel than I am with the DS3.
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When I tried the wheel, my Controller Sensitivity was set to 7 and I'm very sure I was harder on my tyres with the remote, than with the wheel..

EDIT: any help would be appreciated - I have an online competition starting in less than 22 hours..
 
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Im guessing youre a desent driver with that wheel and theres the truth about GT5 online.Such a majority plays this game with joypad,wheel "cheat" is not acceptable in this game!:)Not really a sim.- wheel/DS3=everything is different (G27)
 
Rajareits
I now know that my tires burn out in corners. I've tried different setups. All them work better for others. Why?

What can I do to prevent them turning red in corners?
I'm using an old Logitech Driving Force wheel.

EDIT: now 🤬

I tried driving with the remote. For the first time. And I was more than a second faster than with the wheel. And my tires didn't turn red..
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The programming for tire wear and turning the car in general is different for wheels vs. DS3. The DS3 requires less precision to be fast and is more forgiving. Oversteer for example is much easier to control with a stick than with a wheel. With a wheel not only can you be more precise, but you have to be to get the most out of the car. If you thrash a car around with a wheel the same way you can with a DS3 you will be slower not faster. I believe a wheel is ultimately faster and leads to more consistent laps times but there are plenty of fast guys with DS3's as well.

Red tires means either you are cornering too fast or you need to adjust your tune to put less load on the front tire or less understeer. Tires can also go red if you overcrank the wheel, inducing understeer with the wheel as opposed to understeer inherent in the tune/car.
 
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RUFin
Im guessing youre a desent driver with that wheel and theres the truth about GT5 online.Such a majority plays this game with joypad,wheel "cheat" is not acceptable in this game!:)Not really a sim.- wheel/DS3=everything is different (G27)
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That's what I thought.. Thanks.

It just saddens me.. I really loved this game, but now..

I hope to try a better wheel in the near future. At the moment, I'm pretty sure that the problem came after the 2.0 update, where they started supporting G27s etc.. Now my wheel turns as much as it did before, but they've messed it up so the game thinks I'm turning too much (and it affects only the tyres).

Before that I was noticebly faster than others.. Now I don't have a chance with the wheel.. :guilty:

Johnnypenso
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I'm using the same tunes with the wheel and remote.
As I said, I believe you can drive well with the 900-degree wheels, but not with my 200-degree old Logitech.
It ain't normal that my first laps with the remote (I haven't played it before) are waaaay faster than the wheel-laps.. And the tyres last more than 20% longer.
 
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McClarenDesign
Ds3 or wheel makes no difference. Listen to the tires. They speak the truth.
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To a degree your right but you can push much harder in the corners on a wheel that a pad thus destroying tyres faster. For the same speed there is no difference.
 
Rajareits
I'm using the same tunes with the wheel and remote.
As I said, I believe you can drive well with the 900-degree wheels, but not with my 200-degree old Logitech.
It ain't normal that my first laps with the remote (I haven't played it before) are waaaay faster than the wheel-laps.. And the tyres last more than 20% longer.
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Not familiar with that wheel but it's not surprising that it seems to be not very well supported. Kind of forces you to upgrade to something new to be competitive.
 
Johnnypenso
Not familiar with that wheel but it's not surprising that it seems to be not very well supported. Kind of forces you to upgrade to something new to be competitive.
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Yeah.
But the wheel used to be very good.. :guilty:

Yesterday I had to compete with the remote. I wasn't happy with any of my laps, but they were still a lot faster than the laps with the wheel..
 
I found yesterday when racing a X1 around Nurburgring with a wheel I had to pit for tires (lap 3) when usually I would pit for fuel and tires on lap 5 or 6.. I notice with ONLY the X1 you can push the car WAY harder around corners with a wheel, in fact so much so that smoke will roll off your tires around nearly every sharp corner on Nurburgring.. This does not happen with a analog remote..
 
From my experience, using a wheel will keep your tires longer. The reason being that a DS3's analog stick's aren't as precise as a wheel. Chances are, with a DS3, you will turn more than needed, causing the tires to rub the road excessively, thus causing tire wear.
 
1241Penguin
From my experience, using a wheel will keep your tires longer. The reason being that a DS3's analog stick's aren't as precise as a wheel. Chances are, with a DS3, you will turn more than needed, causing the tires to rub the road excessively, thus causing tire wear.
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Your not pushing hard enough then.
 
1241Penguin
You wouldn't want to push hard when you're trying to nurse a set of Racing Hards for another 15 laps. ;)
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Fair point, But as the guy above says, It may be worth using softs and goin g balls out but pit more often.
I wish they would sort this problem out. I agree we need different wear rates but I race mainly Spa and the Nordsheilfe and 1 lap is not really acceptable. Also whats the point of slowing down 50% to gain another lap, doh thats not racing in my book. Not aimed at you my friend.

Did the 4hr Nurburgring endurance race again last night abd the Amuse GT1 turbo driven by AI pitted every lap. LOL
 
In a race not long after tyre wear was changed, I was racing in a series that consisted of 20 lap races using race softs. When it became clear that hards were the longer lasting, a few competitors changed from the softs believing that fewer stops would win you the race. They never did win any races in that series after the update. One that stuck in my mind was a race at Suzuka. We both used wheels, he was on a one stop strategy using hards and I went for a three stopper on softs I won by about 30 seconds. There were others using DS3, using various strategies. They were nowhere to be seen.
So, if you can be consistently quick with a wheel, stay on racing softs. There are a few ways to tune to make the tyres last longer, but I've found that the smoother you drive the more life you'll get out of the tyres.
 
Fido996
In a race not long after tyre wear was changed, I was racing in a series that consisted of 20 lap races using race softs. When it became clear that hards were the longer lasting, a few competitors changed from the softs believing that fewer stops would win you the race. They never did win any races in that series after the update. One that stuck in my mind was a race at Suzuka. We both used wheels, he was on a one stop strategy using hards and I went for a three stopper on softs I won by about 30 seconds. There were others using DS3, using various strategies. They were nowhere to be seen.
So, if you can be consistently quick with a wheel, stay on racing softs. There are a few ways to tune to make the tyres last longer, but I've found that the smoother you drive the more life you'll get out of the tyres.
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Don't quote me on this, but at the last update that affected tire wear, I believe it was Chuyler that did some testing and determined that as you said, going with racing softs and pitting more often proved faster in longer races. In fact I believe in his tests his margin of victory was about the same, 30 seconds. The only time harder tires come into play is if their use is mandated, otherwise, they are not needed, except for Oval racing maybe.
 
@Rajareits

Have you ever tried connecting your wheel to the PC, to do a firmwareupdate, restore factory settings or recalibrate it manually? Maybe your wheel got confused with a update regarding wheel inputs.

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I always said hard racing tires are crap. Either racing softs or racing mediums. Racing hards obviously causing more sliding and wheel spin which leads to faster wearing. To really nurse racing hards you have to drive THAT slow it`s close to not being competitive anymore. They should last noticeably longer to make any sense. Also consider if you lose your car (chances are higher with hard)or even spin, it costs you easily one or two laps on this set of tires.
 
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AcceptYourDeath
@Rajareits

Have you ever tried connecting your wheel to the PC, to do a firmwareupdate, restore factory settings or recalibrate it manually? Maybe your wheel got confused with a update regarding wheel inputs.

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I always said hard racing tires are crap. Either racing softs or racing mediums. Racing hards obviously causing more sliding and wheel spin which leads to faster wearing. To really nurse racing hards you have to drive THAT slow it`s close to not being competitive anymore. They should last noticeably longer to make any sense. Also consider if you lose your car (chances are higher with hard)or even spin, it costs you easily one or two laps on this set of tires.
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I certainly do not agree, racing hards are good tyres, you are just making it to easy on yourself to use the racing softs, it would be the same as putting your settings to 'childsplay' or easy.....
 
AcceptYourDeath
@Rajareits

Have you ever tried connecting your wheel to the PC, to do a firmwareupdate, restore factory settings or recalibrate it manually? Maybe your wheel got confused with a update regarding wheel inputs.
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This is the first time I'm hearing that my wheel has a firmware! :drool:
Thanks! I'll look into it.

AcceptYourDeath
Racing hards obviously causing more sliding and wheel spin which leads to faster wearing.
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That actually WAS right, before the tyre-wear-changing-update came along.
 
Basically every USB device has a firmware, thats how USB works and makes all devices plug`n play. The driver information (software) is installed on the device.
All brand wheels should have a setup menu once connected to a PC, for adjusting FF settings and calibration. I am pretty sure Fanatec, Logitech and Thrustmaster also providing updates.
 
I'm actually faster on a controller, but I can run more consistently on a wheel with a lot better and smoother lines. I average about .4-.6 second slower on my wheel, but can make the tire last 2x longer.
 
Man on gt5 nascar i used to be able to go about 30 to 40 laps on 1 set of tyers but since this update I seriously cant go like 7 laps ( not a joke ) And I use the driving force GT I dont know whats up with it but its horrible....
 

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