Tires, the facts [update in progress]

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when tires are Red they have no grip as they are overheating

try wheel spinning the wheels for a minute in a FF while holding the E-Brake you will wheel spin in to the 4th gear with 250HP(pretty much like when you have no grip)
 
magburner
The OP asks some good questions! 👍

Here one more:

Why does a car accelerate slower with hard tires than soft tires? I know hard tires have less grip, but I have seen examples where there is no loss of traction, but a noticeable loss in acceleration. 👍
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Like you say, more friction means you can accelerate faster. About those examples: Perhaps that has something to do with the downforce? The car could generate so much downforce that it gives lots of traction no matter what tires you put on it. Downforce works strange, when accelerating from 0 you'll probably get less downforce because you drive slower, therefore the wind pushing the car down will be less.

I have no idea if this natural occurance is put into the game, but I remember an episode from Top Gear where they had an ugly car (german I think) that generated an insane amount of downforce, and that it was only able to corner a specific turn when going FASTER than 80km/h or something. Go slower and it'll loose traction :)
 
Hig-GT
At the end of the day it is all to do with the amount of grip the tyres have. You just wont have the same amount of traction coming out of the corners as the tyres will not byte into the track as much. It's like in the Formula 1, you don't see cars spinning their wheels up but you will still see some cars exiting the corner faster than others due to the difference in traction.
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Thing is, those F1 drivers are generally good enough to KNOW (or feel!) when the limits of traction are reached. Hence rather than just spin up the tires, they just have to exit the corner a tad more carefully.

In GT5, if you can't actually FEEL the tires loosing grip, you'll SURE start to see the over or understeer! Then it's time to baby those suckers, or go do a pit stop!

If you are chewing up your tires, try a hair more Traction Control... Works like a good driver... reduces your torque as you apply sudden increases in accelerator, so stuff gets dialed in a bit more gently. Trade off is, if you WANT some sudden acceleration, the TC might not give it to you...!
 
Jawsers
Something I noticed was that when racing in a championship the first race, the tires would be cold as expected. However I noticed that they would be warm and as the series progressed it seemed like the tires were always starting at light blue, and where very quick to get hot. So I figured for the next series I would equip my car with three different sets of tires. Didn't make a difference. If I had hard tires on the first race, then put soft or medium on before the second race, they would already be light blue.
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I also notice that when you start a championship, your tires are FIXED all the way until the end of the championship, even if you change mid championship. I tested my mines N1 base skyline R34 '00 on the expert tuned car championship (suzuka, daytona, ssr5, tokyo r246 I forgot 1 track lol)on hard sports and Ive managed really well, I did same championship, on soft sports and I lost so much grip during the 2nd race..
 
Hi,

Tried to read and find out if you have posted something on this and i could not find it.

Is Tyre wear and Damage unlockable or is it a setting somewhere?
Ive been driving A-Spec and iam at lvl 24 and my tyres never go red besides when i spin in the corners.
 
dhandes
What level are you on, there is definitely tyre wear on extreme and endurance events. Your tyre display depletes as the tyres become worn, with a noticeable effect on grip.
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In extreme events no,only in endurance.I'm talking about A-spec mind you.Also, @ OP ,I'm sure that comfort soft are better grip-wise than sport hard.Try it and you'll see.
 
thefastone
Hi,

Tried to read and find out if you have posted something on this and i could not find it.

Is Tyre wear and Damage unlockable or is it a setting somewhere?
Ive been driving A-Spec and iam at lvl 24 and my tyres never go red besides when i spin in the corners.
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There is no tire wear or mechanical damage in any A-Spec or B-Spec events except the endurance races(ok, there's 2 or 3 others I haven't completed but I highly doubt it). In endurance races there is tire wear, but still no mechanical damage. There is always body/aero damage, but I still can't tell for sure whether there is always actually any effect on drag/downforce if your car is all bent up or not.

You can turn on damage in Practice mode, Online, and I believe in Arcade mode. Tire wear/fuel(they are both changed together) can be enabled in Online races(including My Lounge if you want to use it for practice), as well as in Arcade mode and Practice mode's One-Make races. Not sure why you can't use tires and fuel in a Practice free run, but you can't.

These modes also let you use "Real" Grip Reduction which makes the physics of driving off-line, off-track and in the wet much more unforgiving(and enjoyable).

Unfortunately in A-Spec these realism settings are always set to "moron."

Oh, and at least in the current state of the game, there is no effect whatsoever on tire durability based on what compound you use. Soft tires last just as long as Hard tires, so the choice is really just about difficulty/feel.
 
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@ thefastone

This is how I understand it. This is what my experience is. (Others may have other takes on it.)

The indicator at red is indicating temperature, not wear.
The brightness of the indicator is indicating temperature, not wear.
When tires actually get worn, they start showing as black in the indicator.

Tire temperature (what amounts to feeling like wear - so I usually call it wear even if it's not actual wear just warmth) exists all over.

In shorter races, tire temperature doesn't really get to a point where you'd notice. So in shorter races, if your aim is for speed & winning, there's no point in using anything but soft... Unless you're going for more challenge for the sake of it. Because it's not like you're going to warm up sports hard tires in 2 laps anyway.

You can only get actual tire wear (not just warmness) in practice mode with tire wear ON, or in online mode with tire wear ON, (or in just some aspec & bspec races - like endurance section).

And there's something hinky about tire warmth & tire wear that doesn't match up with realism as far as hard tires vs soft tires, in gt5.
Whether you have tire wear on or off... it's the warmth at issue, and either way, hard tires are never a better choice (for speed/grip) than softs in gt5. This shouldn't be the case but it is.

The person who posted about comfort soft being grippier than sports hard... There's something to that because in a way, in some cases, it would make sense in a long race to favour sports soft over racing hard. That shouldn't make sense, I know.

Softs just seem to have a longer plateau of "nice warm". They start out nicer, and they stay at the nice place longer. And with tire wear on, they don't wear out faster than hards... which none of this is realistic at all, but that's the way it is in gt5.

Really what it amounts to, as I see it, is that if tire wear is off... You can kind of, let's say in the middle of a race, just STOP somewhere (not in the pit), and wait, and the tires will, I guess, cool off. And then it's like you haven't used them. So in theory, in a long race with tire wear off, you can maybe take it easy with the tires for awhile, and get them to "come back".
I haven't tried that or run any repeating experiments with it. Would seem rather silly anyway.

But that's the point... I guess they (the game makers), saw it as irrelevant to have tires actually wear out in shorter races. Because it just wouldn't matter because the tires aren't even heating up in 2 laps, let alone wearing out. And in longer races, they do put tire wear on, because then you could sort of use a cheating strategy of taking it easy on the tires over the course of the race or something. I don't know.

This is my take. When we first got the game, the tire wear / tire warmth issue, was the first thing we noticed as not making any sense.

Others have various theories & opinions on the matter.

One thing is sure, no matter what the opinion, everyone agrees there's something just not right that makes everyone unhappy about tires in gt5.
 

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